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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 09:08:08 2020 CHICAGO 'L' HAS SOME MYTHS. Spelling 'L' is not one. In maps, instructions, descriptions, advertisements...the city has always used a capital "L". Never used an "EL" or small "el" to describe its elevated railroads. The capital "L" would be surrounded by single or double apostrophes. See how you do about some myths.Famous myth….the hills and valleys between 18th and 39th were built to help steam engines start and stop their trains. FALSE. Famous myth…..the ‘L’ once went into Jackson Park. TRUE. Famous myth….6000 PCC cars were built from whole Green Hornet streetcars. False. Famous myth….a former ‘L’ bridge is still used to house RR signals over the Union Pacific/METRA. TRUE Famous myth….unused portals on Congress line at Halsted were built for use for CA&E. FALSE. Famous myth….subway tubes crossing beneath the Chicago River were made in a dry dock in SE. Chicago. TRUE. Famous myth….”EL” was used as an abbreviation for “elevated” by CRT and CTA. FALSE Famous myth….the north-side ‘L’ right-of-way uses a former steam railroad’s ROW. TRUE. Famous myth….the downtown area, the LOOP, was named for the ‘L’ structures. FALSE. Famous myth….all rapid transit cars built after 1947 cannot be coupled together. FALSE.. Do you know of any other MYTHS OF CHICAGO ‘L’? This “myth post” is an outgrowth of information that presented about using the word “EL” for Chicago’s ‘L’ system. The word ”EL” WAS NEVER used by the operating companies, Chicago Rapid Transit and Chicago Transit Authority. They ALWAYS used a capital L surrounded by " or '. Allow me to say, personally, I don’t care what a person’s uses. But Facebook Chicago-L is predicated as being interest in of the ‘L’ history, I would think that people involved herein would strive to be historically correct as possible. I hope you have enjoyed the information presented. David Harrison |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 27 10:07:37 2020, in response to CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 09:08:08 2020. As for the 6000s, the first 200, with straight vertical doors, were built from all-new components. The other 570, including the 50 single cars, were built components recycled from Green Hornet streetcars. IINM the trucks, windows and door engines were reused. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 10:15:42 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 27 10:07:37 2020. TV questions during summer quiz shows......you were ZONKED. I said WHOLE STREETCAR.DH |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 27 14:00:37 2020, in response to CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 09:08:08 2020. Thank you for this. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jun 27 14:04:04 2020, in response to CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 09:08:08 2020. nice list, sir. About the extra portals east of Halsted, what were they for? |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 14:16:11 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jun 27 14:04:04 2020. Simple words...a subway going over to Lake St.DH |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jun 27 15:28:00 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 14:16:11 2020. Thanks. Another dream along with Monroe Street. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:31:10 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 10:15:42 2020. That is one myth that does need to be debunked. There are some people who do think that the Green Hornet rapid transit cars were actually made from streetcars that had their ends cut off. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:36:49 2020, in response to CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 09:08:08 2020. As far as cars made after 1947 not being abled to be coupled together, that needs a bit of clarification. Do you mean only physically iron only or do you mean iron and electric? My understanding is that all the 6000s can operate together in the same train and all the cars from the 2000s up can operate in the same train but 6000s can't operate in the same train with the 2000s and up although they can physically couple iron only. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jun 27 18:28:12 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:31:10 2020. probably stems from CTA explanations of scrapping nearly new streetcars. clearly, seats, window parts, light fixtures, stanchions etc could be reused. Doors, not really., but door actuators, perhaps. body components? some bits maybe, |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 18:57:10 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:36:49 2020. Coupled....means mechanical. All series since 1947 have had Ohio Form 5 coupler. The new series 7000s will have them too. So all rapid transit cars can be mechanically coupled. Railfans put too much into simple questions.Same thing about streetcars. I put "whole streetcar" and people starting going into different series, flat doors, Pullman vs St. Louis. Coupling, true, whole streetcars, false. DH |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 28 02:34:06 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 18:57:10 2020. Thanks for the clarification. Your term “mechanical” is basically the same as my term “iron only” meaning that the physical coupling can take place but no electrical connections are possible. Keep in mind that I’m not just a railfan but a retired operating manager at NY’s MTA/NYCT so we had similar issues on the various NYCTS equipment where they could only physically couple but not have any electrical or in our case air connections. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 28 08:20:49 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 28 02:34:06 2020. The 6000s could not m.u. with any other car class while the 2000s thru 2600s could and did operate together. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 28 13:01:45 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jun 27 18:28:12 2020. What about the PCCS trucks and motors? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 28 15:34:28 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 28 08:20:49 2020. I mentioned that in my original comment. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Jun 28 23:01:07 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 28 15:34:28 2020. For your interest....original 5000s, 6000s 51-54, 61-65 all could train together. 2000s, 2200s, 2400s, 2600s and 3200s all could train together. Newer 5000s can only train with 5000s series. Expected 7000s likewise......7000s can only train with other 7000s.DH |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 00:23:17 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Jun 28 23:01:07 2020. It seems like CTA’s version of NYCT’s NTTs ares suffering from the same problem, multiple groups of cars unable to MU with other types. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 13:31:52 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Jun 27 14:16:11 2020. How? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 29 14:38:32 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Jun 28 23:01:07 2020. FWIW the 4000s could and did operate with older wooden elevated cars prior to the opening of the State Street subway. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 29 15:50:07 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 13:31:52 2020. Daley and predecessors all had fantasies of tearing down the Loop andbuilding a replacement as subway. Deep in my paper collection are various brochures full of dreams and drawings. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 29 15:59:06 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 29 15:50:07 2020. They were moving in that direction from the 1970's to the late 1990's with their shitty Sunday service. The Ravenswood Branch was a shuttle, no service on the "L" south of Fullerton, or along have the Loop along Wells. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 29 16:26:37 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 29 15:59:06 2020. Ravenswood trains were weekend shuttles years before in the 60s IINM. This is a parallel to what the 14th-Canarsie was like in the same period. When the line was rebuilt a few years back, platforms were extended to allow 8 car trains as well as full ADA elevators. The meighboprhoods it serves have become much better off and trains are moderately full midday.From a wider perspective, US cities often "write off" various neighborhoods for decades waiting until residents (often including gentrifyers priced out of other areas) begin to upgrade the area on theirown. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 29 23:10:33 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 29 15:50:07 2020. Hasn't the Loop "L" been landmarked so it can't be torn down? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 30 00:36:52 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 29 23:10:33 2020. Landmarking protection only evolved as Jackie Onassis and others organized to save GCT from the disgusting fate of Penn Station. Chicago desires for tearing down the Loop dated from the 50s--same stupidity as ripping down the Third Avenue El. The good news is that when they rebuilt the Quincy & Wells Station, the lovely wooden detailing was retained and restored. The station is beautiful. (And ADA compliant) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 01:11:34 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 30 00:36:52 2020. But as Express Ride pointed out, I read that the loop has in fact been landmarked fortunately before the city had a chance to act upon its desire to tear it down. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 30 01:27:01 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 01:11:34 2020. The desires/plans died early because there wasn't any money. I wish the outer end of the original South Side Rapid Transit had been similarly protected. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Jun 30 09:26:03 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 30 01:27:01 2020. NO! The Loop has no been landmarked.DH |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 30 14:23:29 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Jun 30 09:26:03 2020. As always, thanks for knowledgable correction. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:58:42 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Jun 30 09:26:03 2020. Intersting. I thought I read somewhere that it was. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jul 1 13:07:26 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Jun 30 09:26:03 2020. The elevated Loop, a Chicago landmark in everything but name from the Chicago Tribune of Sept 25th, 2017.--Mark |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Thu Jul 2 01:49:14 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jul 1 13:07:26 2020. "Famous myth….the downtown area, the LOOP, was named for the ‘L’ structures. FALSE."I believe what ChicagoPCCLCars is referring to is that cable car lines terminating downtown all used loops as opposed to stub terminals. The elevated loop opened in 1897 and the cable lines were gone only nine years later, in 1906. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 2 02:43:05 2020, in response to Re: CHICAGO'S 'L' SYSTEM HAS MYTHS, posted by George Foelschow on Thu Jul 2 01:49:14 2020. Correct. The moniker preceded the building of the elevateds. |
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