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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri May 29 12:28:44 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 29 09:42:09 2020. Here Bob Emery's map at that location.
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 29 13:10:16 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by randyo on Tue May 26 18:16:23 2020. A retired inidividual formerly with the TA who has been one of the mentors of the transit enthusiast community had told me accounts of where records, papers, etc. of historic value were simply being tossed into dumpsters at Jay St. during the late 1960s - the reasoning being that this was about old, outdated, obsolete, infrastructure, rolling stock, etc. so it had no value.And the major players, and carers about the preservation of NY transit history, in spite of the museum, still seem to be the private individuals, among them former TA employees, who collect, save, and preserve, primary source records and material of the TA, and its pre-1940 predessors; who realize that the agency cannot be relied upon to save and preserve its own history. Very sad... Quite the opposite from TfL and its predecessor London Transport, where preserving its own history has long been an area of great pride for the agency. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 29 13:47:52 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Express Rider on Fri May 29 13:10:16 2020. On my first day with the Department of City Planning on December 31, 1973, several of us were told to throw out everything in a small closet because it had been in there a long time. We found many very old and rare transit maps and reports, many of which we split up and took home rather than throw out. They didn't even ask us to decide what we thought was worth preserving. How stupid. So it's not only the TA that engages in dumb practices. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 29 14:18:01 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 29 08:39:14 2020. Well we actually wouldn’t have even needed to go all the way to the 39 St ferry. We could have parked the car on 4 Av near 39 St and boarded the car there., or even better,just taken the subway to 36 St and walked to 39 St. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Fri May 29 14:23:22 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:42:17 2020. Why did the retaining walls change south of Church Avenue on the Brighton?Built at different times. Line was originally in open cut from south of Eastern Parkway (current Franklin Shuttle) to south of Church Ave. Grade separation and widening south of Church Ave happened first (around 1910?). Widening of cut from Prospect Park to south of Church Ave. was 1918-20. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 29 14:29:17 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by randyo on Fri May 29 14:18:01 2020. I wouldn't have wanted to miss the prow south of 2nd Avenue, with the waves lapping at the shore of the trolley loops. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 29 15:13:27 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 29 13:47:52 2020. LIRR TOO! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 29 15:15:37 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Bob Andersen on Fri May 29 12:28:44 2020. thanks bobby. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 29 15:17:36 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 29 14:29:17 2020. not that close to the shore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 29 17:48:52 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 29 13:47:52 2020. SOP at mainline RRs too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 29 18:37:09 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Fri May 29 14:29:17 2020. The trolley ran on a ship? Cool. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 29 20:22:16 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Express Rider on Fri May 29 13:10:16 2020. Just ask those CBS and NBC network execs who felt it wasn't worth preserving any video copies of Super Bowl I. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 02:30:57 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 29 15:13:27 2020. Yes, I've heard stories, or "the story" about that. Don't rememeber his name, but when some bigwig assumed a top managing position, he demanded that all old LIRR records in the building, anything "dated" be thrown out immediately and threatened legal action against anyone who tried to save material or take it home. This was told to me second hand, by a friend, regular LIRR commuter who had heard this from a conductor.You ccan only shake your head. Just so sad. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 02:33:03 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by BMT Standard on Fri May 29 14:23:22 2020. Thanks for these dates.I'll bet the only other source you can find them in are the NY PSC reports, 1st district for those years. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 02:57:07 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 29 18:37:09 2020. The Ile de France was over a thousand feet long, could've had one operating there... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 03:21:02 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:24:02 2020. Hope you are able to anyway.As a child, I grew up in Bell Park Manor Terrace, on Hillside ave. when my family started taking the E & F train into Manhattan, I remember my Mother walking me up to the front of the train and showing me the RFW, without me even asking. My Dad always took me up there too,* The rest is history. Like everyone else on this board probably. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 30 06:47:10 2020, in response to Re: Another BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 29 15:17:36 2020. Of course it was bulkheaded, but on a stormy night it was quite threatening, at least to a kid. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 30 06:49:55 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 29 20:22:16 2020. Or the many "lost" episodes of Dr. Who that BBC didn't think worth preserving. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 30 08:25:30 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Sat May 30 06:49:55 2020. Videotape was prohibitively expensive in those days, and it was common practice to reuse tapes whenever possible. The prevailing attitude was that no one would be interested in seeing a program again. Fortunately, the NBC video footage of Games 3, 4 and 5 of the 1969 World Series still survives in color and Games 1 and 2 survive in black and white (Canadian Broadcast Company footage). |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 30 09:07:55 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 02:30:57 2020. VINCENT SEYFRIED SAID THAT IF IT WASN`T FOR THE LARCENY OF SOME LIRR EMPLOYEE`S THE LIRR WOULD HAVE NO HISTORY. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 09:34:40 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 30 09:07:55 2020. He put that very well - the irony of having to "steal" material to preserve precious RR history - for L.I., NYS and the USA. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 09:37:01 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 14:28:25 2020. yep, my January 1940 Hagstrom map shows the extension beyond Euclid ave. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 30 09:42:41 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 09:34:40 2020. A few years after I graduated from UConn, they hired a new marching band director who immediately tried to erase the past. He threw away who knows how many scrapbooks, arrangements and other memorabilia. Some of it was thankfully salvaged, but a lot of history was lost. He lasted about six years before moving on. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 30 09:47:34 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 03:21:02 2020. I gravitated to the RFW on my own. It started on September 5, 1967 and although it took a while for it to fully sink in, it's ingrained in me now! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 30 15:23:57 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 15:19:54 2020. LOL..🤣Pops loved to bring his work home with him. He showed me How to operate a R unit,etc. I really miss him. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat May 30 17:51:08 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by randyo on Tue May 26 18:16:23 2020. Speaking of the Canarsie line, in the original Pelham 123,motorman Doyle asks Mr. Green if he was ever written up? He says , oh, once on the Canarsie line,Mr. Blue says, that's right Mr. Green, why don't you tell him all about yourself?My favorite movie! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 30 18:03:37 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by TransitChuckG on Sat May 30 17:51:08 2020. LOL!That's right. But he also said he worked the IRT. He got around. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 19:05:48 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Sat May 30 15:23:57 2020. Did your love of trains come from your father's career or did you find your love of trains outside of your father's career and feel grateful that you had a father who worked in the subways? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 18:20:15 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 19:05:48 2020. Don't ask stupid questions,or make stupid assumptions/statements. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 19:01:26 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 18:20:15 2020. I didn’t think it was a stupid question given your statement but I get your message. I won’t make that mistake ever again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 19:01:29 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 18:20:15 2020. I didn’t think it was a stupid question given your statement but I get your message. I won’t make that mistake ever again. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 31 19:11:51 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 18:20:15 2020. for chrissakes, a bit more civility is in order. I have disagreed w/ TD many times over the years, but this was unneccessary. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 20:54:55 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 31 19:11:51 2020. Thank you. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 21:11:52 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 19:01:26 2020. Seriously?You? You know my story,so Why would you even ask? You load up your statement, then get salty when I call you out on it? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 21:15:18 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 31 19:11:51 2020. See,THIS is what happens when you don't understand the dynamic between Steve and I.There was NOTHING CIVIL OR CIVILIZED ABOUT WHAT HE SAID. He was throwing SHADE, but don't let that cloud your judgment. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 22:29:59 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 21:11:52 2020. No. I don’t know your story. We’ve never been that close |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 31 23:18:28 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 21:15:18 2020. I may be either too dense or too ancient to even be able to define "shade". That said, I am a bit more of a rivet counter although I admit to going into moral/political issues a few times--which ultimately I regret. Steve, I expect, remembers my calling him out some years back which ultimately was of little value in preserving the history of rail transit. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun May 31 23:29:46 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 30 09:47:34 2020. At the time my mom/Dad showed me the RFW, I was probably somewhere around five going on six years old, or just six - we didn't live close, close, to the subway* (like around the corner or downt the block from a station/entrance), so though I have early vague memories of being on the subway, maybe before 5 even, I certainly didn't know enough to realize that there was an RFW.... but like everyone else, once I found out about it, that where my family always rode - in that first car.* Bell Park Manor Terrace, at the corner of Hillside and Springfield was a longish bus ride from 179th for a six year old - so didn't live in a neighborhood within walking distance to a subway station - underground or elevated. We'd take the bus that stopped on Hillside by where we lived to 179th st. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 23:46:49 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 31 23:18:28 2020. Actually I don't remember it. I tend not to dwell on things |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 1 00:08:16 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 23:46:49 2020. all the better. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 1 00:42:24 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Sun May 31 21:15:18 2020. No I was actually trying to be civil with you over here. Leave your racist shit on the other board like most people do. No need to worry. I only make a mistake once. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 1 14:47:59 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 31 19:11:51 2020. THIS IS A TRANSIT FORUM, NOT A ROCK THROWING ARENA! YOU ACCOMPLISH NOTHING, EXCEPT TO UPSET THE REST OF US HERE WHO REMEMBER WHY SubTalk WENT UNDER! GET A REAL LIFE!!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 2 15:56:44 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 31 23:18:28 2020. I'm Not trying to fight with anyone right now. However,I'd appreciate if you don't mind.. You deal with Steve YOUR way,"I deal with Everyone" My way. Facts. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 2 16:01:19 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 1 00:42:24 2020. NOTHING "racist" ABOUT THROWING YOUR SHADE BACK AT YOU.Be honest. You had/HAVE no interest in MY INTEREST. YOU fuck yourself. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 2 16:01:20 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 1 00:42:24 2020. NOTHING "racist" ABOUT THROWING YOUR SHADE BACK AT YOU.Be honest. You had/HAVE no interest in MY INTEREST. YOU fuck yourself. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 2 16:01:21 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 1 00:42:24 2020. NOTHING "racist" ABOUT THROWING YOUR SHADE BACK AT YOU.Be honest. You had/HAVE no interest in MY INTEREST. YOU fuck yourself. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jun 2 18:51:40 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 2 16:01:19 2020. Why don't you take this over to OT Chat. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 2 19:20:07 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 2 15:56:44 2020. Did you read his reply to me? Water over the dam.More interested in who supplies the trucks for the Acela IIs |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 2 20:37:35 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 2 19:20:07 2020. From my reading its unclear but it seems that Alsthom is building them. Its not clear who is fabricating the frames but the design is reportedly borrowed from the TGV. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 2 21:23:53 2020, in response to Re: BMT Canarsie Line history question., posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 2 20:37:35 2020. thanks. Sometimes when waiting to board a train of Superliners it is interesting to compare the originals (a euro design) and 'IIs' with what look to be very similar to the ones under Silverliner Vs (large drop equalizer). I think the last fleet w/ Budd Pioneer trucks is PATCO. |
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