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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 26 20:37:04 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 26 12:05:48 2020. But doesn't the MTA call the shots anyway? What real power does the NYCT chief have? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 26 21:41:51 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 26 20:37:04 2020. It's NYCT President not chief.In the past the MTA agencies, NYCT, LIRR, MNR, and Bridges and Tunnels pretty much operated independently. The MTA only provided the capital funding. When Capital construction was spin off, it started to get a little muddled with the NYCT President having less control. The creation of the MTA.Bus Company further complicated things because when MaBSTOA was created in 1962 as a subsidiary of the NYCTA, the law stated that there could be no more NYCT subsidiaries created after that. To get around the law, they created a separate entity outside of the NYCTA. So the proportion of power the NYCT President has over subways and buses was further reduced. When Cuomo became governor, he started giving orders to the MTA Chairman, so that the governor really ran the MTA, not the Chairman. A perfect example is how Cuomo totally bypassed the MTA by dictating his LaGuardia link that the MTA had nothing to do with. But as far as the relationship between the Chairman and the NYCT President, I am not aware of any conflicts other than the NYCT needs MTA approval over a certain dollar mount of expenditure which I believe is $250,000. Below that amount, they can do what they want. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 27 01:27:28 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 26 21:41:51 2020. Although it never happened, I recall that a few years ago, the TWU contract contained a provision abolishing MABSTOA and putting all former MABSTOA routes under NYCT. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 27 07:39:27 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by randyo on Mon Jan 27 01:27:28 2020. What is so different between the two? Pay or something? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 09:07:57 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by randyo on Mon Jan 27 01:27:28 2020. The law would have to be changed. I don't see how the TWU could do it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 09:11:42 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 27 07:39:27 2020. NYCT falls under the NYCERS pension plan because it is NYC civil service. MaBSTOA has its own pension plan which is solely funded out of the farebox and is not NYC civil service. Therefore labor disputes are handled differently via a parallel similar system. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 27 09:18:03 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 09:11:42 2020. Thank you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 10:42:31 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BusRider on Mon Jan 27 09:18:03 2020. And don't think all MaBSTOA employees are bus drivers. The MTA hires NYCT MaBSTOA employees for any job they want to. Many are in middle or upper management whoes work has nothing at all to do with buses. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 27 12:01:55 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 26 21:41:51 2020. $250,000 is chickenfeed money in today’s construction world. You might be able to paint one station for $250,000, if it’s small enough. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 12:31:42 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 27 12:01:55 2020. Of course. But what is your point?It meant something back then. What’s it worth today? 20 million? And that was for a small part of the borough. It’s like spending 100 million for Queens which isn’t chicken feed. They are not willing to do that. They say the plan is cost neutral but it appears more like a major cut in spending and service. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 28 10:45:44 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 10:42:31 2020. Nothing to do with buses? You'd think they had to have something to do with buses, whether as drivers, dispatchers, mechanics, or supervisors of them. Why would management unrelated to buses be under MaBSTOA? To avoid civil-service hiring procedures? Are there actually people dealing with the subway who are paid by MaBSTOA? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 12:09:33 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 28 10:45:44 2020. Yes to avoid civil service. The MTA prefers to hire under MaBSTOA rather than NYCTA. One reason is they can fire you within a year without giving you any reason. One person I worked with was fired one day before his first MaBSTOA anniversary because they had no reason to substantiate firing him. They just didnt like him. Good thing I wasn't MABSTOA.When I was hired they tried to get me to sign on as MaBSTOA. When they saw I already had 7 years of City service they agreed to hire me under NYCTA. I have many MaBSTOA friends. I cannot say if all of them are peripherally involved in buses. RTO I think may only hire NYCT and I can't remember if everyone in Car Equioment was NYCTA, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also had some MABSTOA employees. Also, many are transferred many times during their career. They may start out working with buses. Their MaBSTOA association doesn't change when they move between departments. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 15:49:44 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 28 10:45:44 2020. Yes to avoid civil service. The MTA prefers to hire under MaBSTOA rather than NYCTA. One reason is they can fire you within a year without giving you any reason. One person I worked with was fired one day before his first MaBSTOA anniversary because they had no reason to substantiate firing him. They just didnt like him. Good thing I wasn't MABSTOA.When I was hired they tried to get me to sign on as MaBSTOA. When they saw I already had 7 years of City service they agreed to hire me under NYCTA. I have many MaBSTOA friends. I cannot say if all of them are peripherally involved in buses. RTO I think may only hire NYCT and I can't remember if everyone in Car Equioment was NYCTA, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also had some MABSTOA employees. Also, many are transferred many times during their career. They may start out working with buses. Their MaBSTOA association doesn't change when they move between departments. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 28 16:47:00 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 12:09:33 2020. As you doubtless know, there were also managers in OP who were on the MSBA (LI Bus) payroll and although I’m not sure there may have even been some who were direct MTA employees and not employees of any of the constituent agencies. Similar interagency swaps took place regarding SIR (SIRTOA) which has a good number of NYCT managers in its administration. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 17:37:34 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by randyo on Tue Jan 28 16:47:00 2020. My boss at NYCT was on the MTA payroll for a number of years until he was shifted. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 28 19:45:07 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 17:37:34 2020. What would his payroll have been changed to, NYCTA or MABSTOA? Also what happened to the state pension plan he was probably part of before the shift? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 20:31:48 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by randyo on Tue Jan 28 19:45:07 2020. I’m pretty sure it was NYCTA. Shifting from state to city is easy. When I was at the Department of City Planning, they shifted me to the state payroll during the 70s budget crisis so I shouldn’t get laid off.When I got the job at the MTA NYCT, technically a state agency, I was shifted back to the city payroll. I made one trip and filled out a few forms to get my pension shifted from the State back to the city. Didn’t think it would be that easy. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 29 01:05:59 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 20:31:48 2020. I assume it was all grandfathered and combined into continuous time. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 29 08:55:05 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by randyo on Wed Jan 29 01:05:59 2020. Yes I went from city to state and back to city and didn't lose anything. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 29 08:56:48 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by randyo on Wed Jan 29 01:05:59 2020. But you can't switch between NYCTA and MaBSTOA without losing. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 30 12:14:22 2020, in response to Re: Sad News: Byford resigns for real., posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 20:31:48 2020. It surprises me how intertwined state and city payrolls are. I worked at the general election for the Board of Elections last year, which is actually a state agency (Board of Elections IN the City of New York, not OF) and displays state seals on all its materials. Nevertheless, my check came from the City of New York. |
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