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Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection
Posted by Steamdriven* on Wed Jan 15 22:17:28 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 20:10:25 2020.* Now you can get CNN on Subchat!
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jan 16 02:21:26 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jan 15 14:47:38 2020.* I also agree with AOC, esp. since the report didn't go into why extending the Astoria line (or the other alternatives) is a non-starter.
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jan 16 02:29:03 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by VictorM on Wed Jan 15 16:16:07 2020.* But then they'll complain it's an eyesore and it blocks sunlight.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Jan 16 07:52:46 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jan 15 21:30:54 2020.* Since you admit you don't listen to the news, you are hardly in a position to judge anything. Trump has been impeached for reasons that made Nixon's assault look like child's play.
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Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection
Posted by Joe V* on Thu Jan 16 07:53:02 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jan 15 22:17:28 2020.* Except it is true.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Thu Jan 16 07:58:18 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 16 02:21:26 2020.* It's a non-starter because the local NIMBYs will not allow extension of an el over the street. I think many of us on here, myself included, find NIMBYs to be very tiresome- but they do have political power- it's a fact. Hence the lack of viable plans for the Rockaway Beach and Lower Montauk branches. For the Lower Montauk, how about converting it to above-ground subway (like the SIR), eliminate all grade crossings, build a new tunnel under the east river leading to a 34th Street crosstown subway. Will never happen. But the Connecting Railroad is pretty much out of view, and a service to LGA like the JFK Air Train (except use LIRR or MNRR equipment), could easily run alongside or astride the BQE and GCP.
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Jan 16 09:40:48 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 16 02:29:03 2020. Exactly. It's not just the nose, they don't want an extension of the El structure in their neighborhood period.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Thu Jan 16 09:43:19 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 07:52:46 2020.* Since you admit you don't listen to the news, you are hardly in a position to judge anything. Don't listen to the news? LOL. There are many ways to get the news. It's not 1985 anymore, you don't need to watch Walter Kronkite or 1010 WINS. You sound like someone that still reads the morning paper. LMAO. Trump has been impeached for reasons that made Nixon's assault look like child's play. Oh, is that what your biased leftist sources told you? LOL.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Thu Jan 16 09:44:06 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jan 15 22:17:28 2020.* Yeah sounds like a CNN news feed.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Jan 16 10:02:38 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 16 09:43:19 2020.* You mean MAINSTREAM news sources, which is everything except Fox and Hate Radio. I lost count of how many Trump campaign people have gone to jail or have been indicted. That's what happens when you enlist foreign countries or bribe them into interfering with our elections.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Jan 16 10:04:10 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 16 09:44:06 2020.* You are simply a robot listening to one fake news source. There is PBS, Bloomberg, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Thu Jan 16 10:16:24 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 10:02:38 2020.* Take this bullshit over to OT chat!
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jan 16 10:46:10 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 16 07:58:18 2020.* But there are NIMBYs for the Airtrain too, yet Cuomo appears to be able to bulldoze through them. Plus, the fact that the report makes no mention of "community opposition" and instead points out community support from a transit "desert". Dunno about a 34th St subway - Herald Square is crowded enough as it is. :-S Getting a line through that and dealing with the East River tunnels nearby sounds like a pain, though the idea of a line that at least terminates at a major hub like Herald Square is a good one. I think it's a pretty good idea to turn the lower Montauk into a rapid transit line, though not necessarily part of the subway system. I was thinking either part of Triboro RX or a sibling to it, running on diesel power.
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Posted by zac* on Thu Jan 16 10:54:43 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 16 02:21:26 2020.* Even the NY Post and Daily News agrees with AOC on this one.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Thu Jan 16 11:25:47 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jan 15 14:47:38 2020.* Problem there is there's no extra capacity under the East River tunnels.
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Jan 16 11:45:50 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 16 11:25:47 2020.* The East Side Access tunnel capacity, and any added 32nd street capacity resulting from East Side Access, have all been spoken for already?
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Thu Jan 16 13:04:41 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 19:13:25 2020.* AOC is a blithering idiot. Im sure glad I do not vote in Queens, and so is she!
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Posted by italianstallion* on Thu Jan 16 13:09:29 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 16 11:45:50 2020.* Pretty much.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Thu Jan 16 13:10:19 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 16 13:04:41 2020.* I doubt she gives a damn about you.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Jan 16 13:38:46 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 16 11:45:50 2020.* Yes, 22 - 24 TPH.
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jan 16 13:40:05 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 14 21:56:06 2020.* Then again, he also has a knack for trying to find "solutions" just because he wants to look good, like the L train tunnel rehab.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Jan 16 13:40:55 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 16 13:04:41 2020.* AOC is right about this. Cuomo may be more intelligent, but is wrong.
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jan 16 13:41:25 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 16 13:10:19 2020.* Especially since he doesn't even live in NYS.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Thu Jan 16 15:15:45 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 10:04:10 2020.* this really belongs elsewhere. that said, the "news" problem is as if we had competing outlets describing the physiical routes of the subway and a large contingent simply deny there are IRT tunnels that are not built to IND width. Perhaps we are experiencing "quantum" reality without understanding it. If you are run over by a truck and your leg is broken, acknowledging that you are wounded is recommended in my universe. Assuming that ANYONE who expects you to agree your bone is broken is a liar is dysfunctional.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Thu Jan 16 15:53:19 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 10:02:38 2020.* I don't watch fox or whatever "Hate Radio" is. Who listens to news on the radio anymore?
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Thu Jan 16 15:54:10 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 16 10:04:10 2020.* Many of those are leftist leaning now. CNN and MSNBC entirely.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Thu Jan 16 19:34:39 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Q4 on Thu Jan 16 09:40:48 2020.* An extension of the 31st St. Astoria el can be 2 tracks of fully concrete railroad with only 1 pillar instead of 2 parallel ones. Build it like the air train and WMATA above ground railroads. It will be much quieter (listen to the #7 above Queens Blvd.) than the current line. Plus isn't 31st St. much wider past Ditmars Blvd.? NIMBY's be damned!
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Thu Jan 16 19:41:28 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:34:39 2020.* sounds right to me.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Thu Jan 16 19:43:57 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 16 13:04:41 2020.* I have it on high authority that AOC doesn't like lions either.
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jan 16 23:22:58 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:34:39 2020.* If they're anything like other people where new infrastructure may affect their homes, your explanation won't get past "An extension of the 31st St. Astoria el" before getting shouted down. They simply will not take any chances of anything negatively impacting their homes.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Jan 16 23:53:29 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:34:39 2020.* the same NIMBY's complaining about an extension would show up at a board meeting or sign a petition about lack of public transportation in their neighborhood.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Fri Jan 17 01:39:59 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 16 23:53:29 2020.* or the real estate guy trying to prevent cell towers on the neighboring roof in a commercial-nonresidential area.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Fri Jan 17 02:27:29 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 16 15:54:10 2020.* Forget most of the TV ones (though BBC remains sane and somehow Fox seems to have become sane). For solid center reporting, The Hill is my pick. For right wing, the Daily Wire is actually good. Probably because Ben Shapiro went in to 2016 as a never Trumper, they won't ignore bad news around Trump. For example both the GAO report and the Yavonovich surveillance text message stories are represented there, and while they throw their opinion on top, the complete text of the source is also available within those stories.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Fri Jan 17 08:37:10 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 16 10:46:10 2020.* Yeah, I forgot about the 34th Street BMT-IND complex. Tunneling around that seems prohibitively expensive, and terminating there would just add more people.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Fri Jan 17 08:42:22 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 16 11:25:47 2020.* Yeah, and as 3-9 pointed out, there's no practical way to get across the 34th Street BDFMNQRW station. So- OK- let's spend the billions slated for LGA access to a subway along 10th or 11th Avenue (Hudson or West Broadway in Lower Manhattan). With all the development on the West Side, that might make some sense. How about SAS Phases 3 and 4? I think all of these make more sense than an Air Train requiring multiple transfers, and that approaches the airport from the wrong direction.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Fri Jan 17 08:44:06 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 16 13:04:41 2020.* She ain't my cup of tea either. But in this isolated incidence, I agree with her. Just because she says it doesn't make it wrong.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Jan 17 11:19:25 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 17 02:27:29 2020.* though BBC remains sane and somehow Fox seems to have become sane If you think BBC is "sane", perhaps you're antisemitic like they are.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Fri Jan 17 15:02:15 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:34:39 2020.* No it's not any wider. It just looks wider because there's no el over it.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Fri Jan 17 15:03:37 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 16 19:34:39 2020.* I agree, a concrete el with one set of pillars in the center of the roadway would be a lot less intrusive.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 17 15:11:53 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Q4 on Thu Jan 16 09:40:48 2020.* Cuomo managed to ram through the LIRR third track over long time NIMBY opposition, it should be done here also.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Fri Jan 17 16:02:25 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 15:11:53 2020.* YES
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Fri Jan 17 16:07:47 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 18:39:16 2020.* Well, then she's better than the Talib/Omar sisters who ignore their districts completely. Or should I be talking more about Nancy. Her district went from being the most desirable place in the country to being behind an Italian Refugee camp. If that isn't enough to get someone recalled/impeached...
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Posted by Joe V* on Fri Jan 17 17:21:47 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 15:11:53 2020.* But there are no property condemnations, which was the source of most NIMBY opposition.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 17 17:37:17 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 17:21:47 2020.* Which should make it even easier for Cuomo to ram it through.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Fri Jan 17 19:47:27 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor’s LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 11:19:25 2020.* LOL, calling me anti-semitic after I highly recommend the Daily Wire. Were you dropped on your head as a child?
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Fri Jan 17 19:55:05 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 15:11:53 2020.* What's funny is what the end result of this will be. The pre-Cuomo plan: -Expanding LIRR footprint to 3 tracks with the same visual profile (sloped ground for embankments). -Mineola rebuilt into a station with all tracks platforming, resulting in an ease of increasing express service to it. Post Cuomo: -LIRR visual profile will change from sloped ground to elevated with retaining wall or open cut with retaining wall - walls which, unlike dirt, attract graffiti. -Mineola becomes harder to stop at, meaning trains which do Hicksville-Jamaica are more flexibly routed. Bottom line: Their NIMBYism resulted in an uglier landscape that primarily benefits people east of the communities it passes through. Ha-ha!
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jan 17 20:24:48 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor’s LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 17 19:47:27 2020.* That would explain A LOT! Excellent post.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jan 18 07:07:40 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 17 19:55:05 2020.* Not only does Mineola suffer, but the Oyster Bar Branch will continue to be a stepchild. Any hopes for some more short-turn MU trains to East Williston are now off the table. Concrete pillars and structure like at Valley Stream - Rockville Centre also tend to crack and become maintenance headaches. RVC was built in 1953, but the structure and platform were falling apart in the late 1970's. Now it is falling apart again. Tom Suozzi was Floral Park mayor and lead the NIMBY effort. He was trying to get every shack in the way declared historic landmark. Now he is a Congressman. How much roll did he play behind the scenes in getting Andrew chickening out to NIMBY's ?
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Posted by pragmatist* on Sat Jan 18 07:27:03 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 07:07:40 2020.* Floral Park? I'm pretty sure Suozzi is North Shore (Glen Cove mayor four terms)
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jan 18 08:08:54 2020, in response to Re: AOC Questions Governor's LGA AirTrain selection, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 17 08:44:06 2020.* You elect a politician to perform, and she is 100% right on this issue, not be your friend for dinner.
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