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Posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019 I assume by now that this message was apprised that the last final revenue trip of the last MK R-42 train ran on the 5:15 Z on Friday, December 27, then was laid up from Jamaica Center to ENY Yard.Consist was (n) 4824/25-4831/30-4816/17-4799/98 (s). Only 4790/91 were left as a spare set at ENY. The first I received of official "Retirement" of the MK R-42 fleet was on the morning of December 21, effective the previous afternoon of December 20: 4792/93, 4800-03, 4808/09, 4812-15, 4820-23, 4826-29, 4836-39 (24). At that time there was still only two trains per day on J and Z as had been nominal since August, at the time only 2 8-car trains still in passenger service. Further notified on December 23 (the follow Monday) were retirement of: 4788/89, 4794-97, 4804-07, 4810/11, 4832-35 (16) for a total of 40/50. This included the second last 8-car passenger train consisting (not as make-up) being 4796/97, 4804-07, 4832/33. Effective after the last revenue trip on December 27, 2019 PM rush, the final 10 MK R-42s were "retired" as of Saturday morning, December 28. Two 8-car trains are detailed to Work Service at Coney Island (4794/95, 4802/03, 4808/09, 4838/39). Two 8-car trains are detailed to Work Service at 207 Street (4800/01, 4812/13, 4820/21, 4834/35). Four cars were laid up at Pitkin as of December 27 (4826-29). All others awaiting "fleet transfer" from ENY to elsewhere, guessing to 207 for processing for future scrapping to New Jersey. |
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Posted by joe c on Sat Dec 28 22:28:37 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. :( Gonna miss these cars, I went to Transit Tech HS between 2001 and 2004 and the R42 were majority on the J line.the fact they lasted 50 years is something.til next time |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Dec 28 23:24:29 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. Wow. Its finally over.I remember when the 42s were backbone of the Eastern Div and rode them daily on the J line, even remember them dominating the L before the 143s took over. It was great when they were transferred to the A/C lines and later on Jamaica Yard about a decade ago. I'm glad we got an extra 10 years or so out of the 42 Fleet, so I can't complain about them finally being retired. I enjoyed them as railfan and they was comfortable as a regular rider. I probably rode the 42s the most out of all the stainless steel SMEE's that got replaced by the 160s. With that being said, ENY is now 100% NTT!!!! According to the old timers on here, ENY was historically a dumping ground and now its entirety made up a shiny, modern, fancy new tech trains. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 28 23:31:22 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. 
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 28 23:59:54 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Dec 28 23:24:29 2019. The Three Stooges Division is no longer chopped liver.:)I was able to ride on The French Connection cars (4573, to be exact) on the Ethel before they became part of the museum fleet. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Dec 29 05:51:17 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. I will miss them. I used to ride them a lot on the Eastern Division particularly the J Line. :( |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 07:47:19 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. I am surprised they lasted into the autumn. Now the old cars of the Eastern Division are the R143's. Now they have no choice but to park NTT trains of one sort or another at 111th Street.This confirms one rumor I heard. The other is that the R32's are all toast by March 31st. That one is a harder stretch. If they need 110 to last until there are sufficient R211's, put them on the J to keep the AC functioning. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 29 07:53:38 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. An end of an era.Less surviving railfan windows. :( Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 29 08:55:52 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 29 07:53:38 2019. They are a rapidly vanishing breed, sad to say. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sun Dec 29 10:06:49 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Dec 28 23:24:29 2019. Add to that, the C also being the repose of the oldest cars, now sporting the newest. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 29 10:22:39 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Eric B on Sun Dec 29 10:06:49 2019. And the oldest. |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Sun Dec 29 12:12:02 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. Well for whats my own nostalgic remembrance, the R-42s and the Mod R-40s were a huge legion of the heartiest of the heartiest trains whatever tried to sink them.Here's to their years out of Concourse on the "Dog" (D) in the 70's and 80's before the R-68s showed up to Brighten the Brighton Line. In all my years watching NYCT(A) the only route I never saw the R-42's usually operated was the GG then G (i.e. "The Crosstown") though a few wandered there too. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Dec 29 12:35:58 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sun Dec 29 12:12:02 2019. I remember well when they were on the D back then. I preferred to ride the D over the other lines in The Bronx, because the R42/40m trains, which tended to be quite a bit cleaner than the older cars on the other Bronx lines (until the R62s began to appear on the 4). |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 12:44:49 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. This also marks the end of the SMEE ere on the Eastern Division, which have had a continuance presence since the R10 in 1953, 66 years ago. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 29 12:47:01 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sun Dec 29 12:12:02 2019. I preferred the post GOH R40M over the R42.They operated smoother, had better a/c and had more predictable brakes. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 29 14:44:27 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 12:44:49 2019. R-42 had RT-2 brakes which were not SMEE. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 15:01:31 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 29 14:44:27 2019. Well, SMEE compatible. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 29 18:04:56 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Dec 28 23:24:29 2019. Actually, starting in the mid 1930s, the Eastern Division had the newest cars and most technologically state of the art equipment ordered by the BMT pre unification, the Multis and the Bluebird and in the early 1950s, the Jamaica Line received what was then the newest rolling stock on the NYCTS, the R-16s. After the arrival oof the R-16s, the BMT Eastern had the newest equipment on the BMT till the arrival of the R-27s in 1960. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 29 18:07:34 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 29 14:44:27 2019. Actually, there are no SMEEs left on the NYCT except for the museum cars since all were GOHed with RT-2 brakes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 18:30:14 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 29 18:04:56 2019. They thought the R16's On the Jamaica el would lure people off the antiquated Arnines on the Queens Blvd line. It didn't work. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Dec 29 21:49:37 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 18:30:14 2019. The Arnines weren't even that old at the time. While I always thought of them as "the old trains" that was probably because of the incandescent lights, but I also remember their groans and the smell. Just riding them on the holiday train reminds me of why they felt old. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 29 21:54:00 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 18:30:14 2019. How convenient would that be for most folks? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 29 22:35:17 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 29 18:30:14 2019. The Jamaica El was thought of as "antiquated" compared to the sleek & swift (by 1950's standards) Independent Subway and its various locals & expresses with one seat rides down 6th & 8th ave's in midtowm. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 29 22:53:22 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 29 18:07:34 2019. I am aware of that. I was still holding court during the transition |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 29 23:18:07 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 29 21:54:00 2019. depends on walking or RELIABLE bus connections in Queens, and destinations in Manhattan plus could one get a seat on one line morereliably thanthe other. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 29 23:41:15 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. Michael Kors collaborated on an R-42? Stylish. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 30 06:32:08 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. Two 8-car trains are detailed to Work Service at Coney Island (4794/95, 4802/03, 4808/09, 4838/39).Two 8-car trains are detailed to Work Service at 207 Street (4800/01, 4812/13, 4820/21, 4834/35). Will their pantograph gates be removed and front end bonnets be painted yellow ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 30 07:33:43 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 29 21:54:00 2019. To get there, the Q10 and Q37 were pretty reliable.The Q11 was hit and miss. The Q53 zoomed down Woodhaven Blvd center lanes at 45 MPH and didn't stop anywhere near Jamaica Ave. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 30 07:39:15 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 29 22:35:17 2019. Arnines seemed as old as the Standards. Most Broadway-Brooklyn locals, which is all half the stations got east of ENY with skip-stop service, still got Standards, and a transfer to an express at Elderts Lane or Eastern Pkwy.The Jamaica el was a schlep, but quite fast west of ENY, even with R16's. The IND never did a good job in serving the financial district. The E train to Broadway-Nassau was a long ride, and that was still short of Wall Street. Back then the area was very stratified - financial firms near Wall STreet, insurance firms near Fulton Street, mostly along William STreet. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 30 07:58:36 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 30 07:33:43 2019. The Q53 was great. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 30 11:36:16 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. That final R-42 set is apparently still in service as of this morning. I have an eyewitness who says he was "holding westbound at Hewes 7:47 AM, waiting for it to go into Marcy Ave."It seems they're not done yet... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 30 12:30:55 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 30 11:36:16 2019. No doubt it was either run that or have a trip dropped for car shortage which is a no no.THE last trip will be unknown. That will happen after sufficient new techs are available for each peak car requirement period. |
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Posted by MTA T on Mon Dec 30 16:49:07 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. They're retired now |
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Posted by Strike_Mark on Mon Dec 30 22:54:16 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 30 12:30:55 2019. Last trip was known, even came with a radio transmission from Command Center noting that it was the official last run of the R42 on the 1012 J BRD/P-A. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 30 22:55:35 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Strike_Mark on Mon Dec 30 22:54:16 2019. Today? |
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Posted by Strike_Mark on Mon Dec 30 23:29:07 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 30 22:55:35 2019. Yep. End of an era in a few ways, no more St. Louis subway cars, no R42 in the Eastern Division (which they ran on since GOH), and no more SMEE equipment on the Eastern either. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 30 23:30:42 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Strike_Mark on Mon Dec 30 23:29:07 2019. At some point a few years ago some GOH R-42s ran on the A and C Lines and i rode a train of them on the V one afternoon. |
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Posted by gold_12th on Mon Dec 30 23:52:40 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Widecab5 on Sat Dec 28 21:56:53 2019. "Hi there. Yes, R42s are now officially retired. " |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 31 06:48:18 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Strike_Mark on Mon Dec 30 23:29:07 2019. No more St. Louis cars. Wow man. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Dec 31 09:11:44 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 31 06:48:18 2019. Staten Island Railway still running run-down R44 cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 10:01:46 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Dec 31 09:11:44 2019. 10 years ago, they should have sent 20 R46's or R68's there to cover all off-peak service with a spare set. It would have been worth the conversion costs.At what point in the R211 delivery does SIR get theirs ? Will they be individually coupled cars like PATH has ? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 31 10:40:20 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 29 22:35:17 2019. LION first rode the old Arnines on the Queenxszboro lines baack in the 60s.Him not think old they were, just a tad old-fashioned. Dad told me they were the best cars on the subway. But then he was a dyed in the wool IND rider, his mom lived on that line, and the train stopped at the RCA building, so why would he ever see another subway line. When I started rail-fanning I went on the BMT at 34th Street, and the R-27s were the cat's meow. And then came the 32s. LION wandered over to the IRT and found him there decent cars, older than the 27s but newer than the 9s. Occasional LoVs were to be found during the rush hours, and that set me looking for the oldest cars on the subway. I thought I hit GOLD on the 3rd Ave El, but then I got on the Myrtle... And there, there indeed were the oldest cars on they system. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 31 10:52:00 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 31 10:40:20 2019. The Myrtle still has the oldest cvars on the line...."Ghost Train through the sky" |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 11:12:48 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 31 10:52:00 2019. R143's are the oldest out of ENY base. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 31 11:48:16 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Dec 31 09:11:44 2019. Yes I know but he said subway St Louis. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Dec 31 22:14:38 2019, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Strike_Mark on Mon Dec 30 22:54:16 2019. Guess this will be one for the book of Last Runs. Thanks for the specific time! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 1 00:20:33 2020, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 31 10:52:00 2019. There go the Q's...to that Q car barn in the sky. Imagine it they tried to reef them. They'd probably float!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 1 08:20:07 2020, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Strike_Mark on Mon Dec 30 22:54:16 2019. So the R-42s bowed out on the Curly while the BMT standards rode off into the sunset on the Moe. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 09:03:10 2020, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 1 08:20:07 2020. and the Arnines on the J,the R16's on an M as well. I don't know about the R27's, but the R30's had been shoved onto the C. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 1 14:46:20 2020, in response to Re: End of the MK R-42s, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 09:03:10 2020. That's right - the last R-7/9 run was as a Curly on 3-31-77. |
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