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Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 11 17:33:53 2019, in response to Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by The Silence on Wed Dec 11 14:48:45 2019. Septa has the KEY card, and is slowly getting the kinks out .Looks like OMNY works a hell of a lot better. |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Dec 11 18:57:20 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 11 17:33:53 2019. Perhaps Cubic learned from their mistakes in Chicago (Ventra). |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Dec 11 23:16:35 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by MTA T on Wed Dec 11 18:57:20 2019. AFAIK that's pretty much the entire reason OMNY was so late to start compared to other cities. The MTA wanted it to go as smoothly as possible. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 11 23:26:03 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by K. Trout on Wed Dec 11 23:16:35 2019. I like that they went straight to allowing credit cards directly. Direct at turnstile credit cards are the true multi-city fare card. |
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Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Dec 11 23:51:38 2019, in response to Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by The Silence on Wed Dec 11 14:48:45 2019. the Flushing line's CBTC system was losing trains in the slush Byford says that the transponders are on the tracks, in the four feet between the rails. Perhaps they are and I've never seen them. What I have seen are all the 10-foot tall aluminum poles all along the outdoor tracks with devices attached to their tops, connected by visible black cables running down the poles, that I've assumed are the transponders. If they're not, what are they? In the underground stations the devices are attached at the tops of the walls. |
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(Photos of transponders) Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by gold_12th on Thu Dec 12 00:03:24 2019, in response to Losing trains in the slush, posted by gbs on Wed Dec 11 23:51:38 2019. CBS-2 news |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by ro_jo on Thu Dec 12 00:14:08 2019, in response to Losing trains in the slush, posted by gbs on Wed Dec 11 23:51:38 2019. Sounds like Ultra wide band radio equipment. The "secret squirrel stuff" as they say. |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by ro_jo on Thu Dec 12 00:14:33 2019, in response to Losing trains in the slush, posted by gbs on Wed Dec 11 23:51:38 2019. Sounds like Ultra wide band radio equipment. The "secret squirrel stuff" as they say. |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 01:43:28 2019, in response to Losing trains in the slush, posted by gbs on Wed Dec 11 23:51:38 2019. PATH puts their transponders in between the rails too. Are they getting lost in the slush? |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by mkeit on Thu Dec 12 09:53:38 2019, in response to Losing trains in the slush, posted by gbs on Wed Dec 11 23:51:38 2019. The transponders give the train location. The antennae re for train to wayside comm.The same type of uncovered transponders are used on the Ontario Confederation line. it snows there far more then in Queens. |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush - Byford letter + photos |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 12 11:23:56 2019, in response to Losing trains in the slush, posted by gbs on Wed Dec 11 23:51:38 2019. Byford letter to Thales, with photos of covered and uncovered transponders. Apparently a simple cover will do the trick.link |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by The silence on Thu Dec 12 14:32:02 2019, in response to Re: Losing trains in the slush, posted by mkeit on Thu Dec 12 09:53:38 2019. Apparently, it’s not snow, but slush, that’s the problem. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Dec 12 14:53:56 2019, in response to Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by The Silence on Wed Dec 11 14:48:45 2019. Did the then-new electromech signals have such problems in 1904? If so, how long did they take to resolve? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 12 16:09:27 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Dec 12 14:53:56 2019. I don't know, but the Semaphores on the Southwest Chief route still seem to work, and parts of it see nasty winters. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Dec 12 16:50:26 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 11 23:26:03 2019. And direct mobile payments . Wishing 2 years , nearly half of payments will be mobile payments through smart watches and cellphones . |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Dec 12 17:03:50 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 11 23:26:03 2019. IAWTP, Spider-Pig. I am a senior, age 77, and have a Senior Septa card. So I ride free , no worries about whether it's a dedicated card , or like a credit card, or whatever.Senior Septa Card |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 12 17:19:44 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Dec 12 16:50:26 2019. Depends if banks continue to drag their feet into issuing Contactless cards. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 21:19:31 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 12 17:19:44 2019. He was talking about mobile payments. Those don’t require contactless cards and it looks like banks have been all aboard with those. |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu Dec 12 21:56:54 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 11 23:26:03 2019. Agreed |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Dec 13 03:00:01 2019, in response to Re: Losing trains in the slush, posted by The silence on Thu Dec 12 14:32:02 2019. At the news conference Byford mentioned that the transponders on the L line are not Thales but are Siemanns and are not affected by the weather, only the Thales transponders on the 7 are affected adversely. Perhaps other cities also use Siemanns equipment and don't have the problem. I don't know what the L line transponders look like, but the ones being installed along the Queens Blvd line don't look like the Thales models, either covered or uncovered. |
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Posted by zac on Fri Dec 13 07:46:34 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 21:19:31 2019. The problem I found with mobile payments in the two cities I've used it, SF and Milan, is that the turnstiles at Muni and ATM Metro don't accept it, and you still have to go through the turnstiles. In Milan there were readers at one or two turnstiles in each station that could scan a code on your phone, but you needed to do that at both ends and the readers didn't work. I got stuck inside a station until somebody scanned me out. In SF I never even tried since I wasn't going anywhere I needed to use the underground part. I stuck with the F Market line and buses. I think you needed to show an agent? I don't know because I didn't try.But it is very convenient otherwise since you don't need to find a vendor and they are self validated. It also really speeds up boarding a bus if you don't have to line up and dip your card. I've always thought that NYC did that completely wrong with metrocard. It should have been a swipe like at a turnstile, not a dip. Everybody (except the tourists of course) learned how to swipe, not everybody rides buses enough to dip surprisingly, myself included. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Dec 13 08:39:51 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by zac on Fri Dec 13 07:46:34 2019. Actually, I've found that swiping is somewhat less convenient than dipping on the bus. I'm much more likely to have to re-swipe than re-dip my Metrocard, probably because the bus driver will know immediately if there is a problem and just let us board. Both ways otherwise take about the same amount of time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 13 13:03:27 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by zac on Fri Dec 13 07:46:34 2019. So you're problem with mobile payment is that it wasn't installed? I'm not sure what you mean by you used it in SF and Milan if you also said it didn't work.If you have to scan a code, it's not really mobile payment in the same way as OMNY, which is far superior. |
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Posted by zac on Fri Dec 13 13:47:57 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 13 13:03:27 2019. It worked on buses and trams just fine, it was in the metro where there was a problem. Both Milan and SF are more surface oriented than underground, although Milan is catching up by building a 5th line. My friend was telling me she is looking to buy a house near the new line but is worried that the neighborhoods are pretty dead at the moment. |
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Posted by zac on Fri Dec 13 13:49:08 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by 3-9 on Fri Dec 13 08:39:51 2019. I find that if you swipe correctly you can keep moving, but you always have to stop for the dip. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 13 14:00:50 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 13 13:03:27 2019. YOUR |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 13 19:59:28 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by zac on Fri Dec 13 07:46:34 2019. Here's something to consider.Not everyone has a smart phone or even a plain cell phone. Even if it is a very small minority. So they will have to purchase the OMNY card or use a credit card if they have one.Old habits never seem to die off. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 13 20:05:45 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 13 19:59:28 2019. Furthermore, 11.7% of New York City households (as of 2013) were "unbanked". The highest percentage are in the Bronx. For everyone else, good luck finding a debit or credit card that is Contactless. This is not Europe, Asia, or Canada. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Dec 13 20:20:18 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 13 19:59:28 2019. I don't see why that's a problem. Loading and owning an OMNY card isn't very different than owning and loading a metrocard. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 13 21:21:04 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 13 19:59:28 2019. Not a big deal. Once OMNY is rolled out there will be a cash option OMNY card. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 13 21:23:22 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 13 19:59:28 2019. Obviously a feature phone isn’t going to have a mobile wallet (except in Japan), but not having a cell phone nowadays is ridiculous. Might as well move to a shack in the woods. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 02:33:58 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 13 21:23:22 2019. Your sarcasm to such people is quite offensive and stupid. Many elderly people, including most of my relatives in their 80's and low 90's do mot have them, or just a Jitterbug flip phone. One is an ex NYPD Lieutenant. You have also referred to such as people as luddites. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 14 03:13:21 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 02:33:58 2019. yes, well,the level of courtesy here is not much to brag about.On one hand going cashless has a chance of cutting down embezzlement. Some years ago an SF Muni crew were caught; the search warrant turned upgiant sacks of nickels dimes quarters in one of the worker's living room. That said, I refuse to deal w/ merchants who refuse cash. See the fine print on the paper money--all debts... A benefit of the clipper, Cubic's brand in the SF Bay Area, is a single farecard usable on 27 (maybe 28) separate systems. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Dec 14 07:23:06 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by zac on Fri Dec 13 13:49:08 2019. I always stop for half a second to a second when swiping for the very real possibility I will get impaled in the groin if the swipe fails. :-S |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 07:39:48 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 14 03:13:21 2019. ORCA card in the Seattle area is good for anything that moves as well. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 14 09:00:05 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 02:33:58 2019. It might come across that way, but he's kinda right. there's really no reason not to have one. They don't need an iPhone 11X or something, but they should have something. More so if they are active and go places. It could quite literally save their lives.My soon to be 92 year old grandparents both have feature phones, which my grandfather always carries with him in case of emergencies. saved his butt once or twice. He's got a lot of mileage out of it recently when he stopped driving due to his Parkinson's and started taking car services. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 14 09:02:50 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Dec 12 14:53:56 2019. That kinda doesn't work when you consider the whole line save 125th was underground, where as the Flushing EL is the problem here. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 09:22:58 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 14 09:00:05 2019. there's really no reason not to have oneMoney. Though admittedly there are good deals to be had. My wife pays about $120 per year for a prepaid phone. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Dec 14 09:54:36 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 09:22:58 2019. If they're that hard on their pockets, there are free cell phone for seniors programs. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Dec 14 10:20:04 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 09:22:58 2019. You get it for even less plus many low income people get subsidies |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Dec 14 10:34:14 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 13 19:59:28 2019. They can simply buy a prepaid credit card . Not sure why people can’t rap their hands around that . Spending tens of millions on a private fare card in 2019 is not needed |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 14 10:41:52 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 02:33:58 2019. Because they are luddites, or shut-ins. A “Jitterbug flip phone” is a kind of cell phone and thus anyone who has one wasn’t being referred to in my post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 14 10:44:18 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 14 03:13:21 2019. 1. It’s not a lack of courtesy to call a spade a spade.2. That is not what “legal tender” means. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 14 10:56:53 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 09:22:58 2019. Feature phones are subsidized for low income people now. This replaces the preëxisting subsidies for landline phones. But a cell phone makes more sense than a landline. Just as 30 years ago it was considered ridiculous not to have a home phone, now it is ridiculous not to have a mobile phone.At this point, the only reason they make feature phones is for the elderly and for burner phones. It would make sense to subsidize a very basic smart phone with limited data as part of the lifeline program. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 11:00:50 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 09:22:58 2019. They could shop around for an MVNO and an a la carte plan, which I have for $11 to $14 a month, like from Ting.com, but they are not on the internet, and have no access to such information. Good luck trying to convince them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 11:01:56 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 14 10:41:52 2019. There you go with your stereotyping. Your are wrong, period. |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 11:05:26 2019, in response to Re: Losing trains in the slush, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 13 03:00:01 2019. To add to that he specifically mentioned that Siemens CBTC is used in cold weather cities and does not have problems, while Thales isn't in use in any other cold weather city and is this issue is unique to their equipment.I know that London uses Siemens and they would likely have lots of slush and more of their system is exposed to the elements than NYC. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 14 11:08:44 2019, in response to Re: Omny expansion and Byford is angry at Thales, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 14 11:00:50 2019. Lots of elderly people listen to their children and grandchildren and some of them ask them for things. My then ~79 year old grandfather asked my mother to get him a cell phone back around 2000. Back then cell phones were not a necessity as they are now. |
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Re: Losing trains in the slush |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 14 11:09:36 2019, in response to Re: Losing trains in the slush, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 14 11:05:26 2019. I believe London has far less slush than NYC. Even wet snow is quite rare. |
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