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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 19:28:07 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 19:20:41 2019. I remember doing a practice drill near LGA in Astoria, right under the 4-22 approach on a clear sunny afternoon. The planes were coming in above us, seemingly low enough to touch. An irate resident, seeing our emergency vehicles, stormed right over and asked us what was going on. After we explained that we were practicing crash response, she shrilled that the 4-22 was supposed to be a "foul weather approach" only, and that the airport was "breaking the law".No, really. Never mind that the airport was there years before her house was. Never mind that she knew she was moving in next to the airport in the first place. This is what they're dealing with. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 9 20:30:18 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 19:23:09 2019. I really don't care about their air and runway congestion. I am talking about the need for rail transportation to the airport which is true regardless. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 20:56:56 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 9 20:30:18 2019. We are spending billion to improve the passenger experience at the terminal, and both of us want to see a major improvement in access which will bring more passengers to the airport. If the actual air ops don't get better long term, it will never be a first class airport. If you aren't going to solve the whole problem, don't waste the money on a half a fix. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Nov 9 22:12:36 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Q4 on Fri Nov 8 13:40:49 2019. It would make Airport transfers from international flights better making jfk a better us port of entry . JFK is u fee utilized at many parts of the day |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Nov 9 23:17:21 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 05:27:12 2019. It was also built several years before PFC's were a thing. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Nov 9 23:20:45 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Nov 9 02:55:34 2019. MTA Maryland does not enter airport property.UM, the light rail station is attached directly to BWI's international concourse. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 10 07:04:46 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 20:56:56 2019. Again, I don't care if it's a "first class airport" or passenger experience at the terminal. You can leave that to the airplane fans. A lot of people go there now and it needs rail transportation. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:11:45 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 16:34:17 2019. Yeah... That will block anything.I do not think that Jos Stalin or Chairman Mao would allow NIMBYS to derail a project. They got bigger obstacles to worry about such as incompetent engineering or poor QC in the mfg. plants. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:15:02 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 19:20:41 2019. NIMBYS are not the problem. The problem is in the spine of the politicians.LION would not extend the Astoria to LGA, but him would extend it to Con Ed even if only for building a layup yard. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:17:31 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 17:15:26 2019. True, but it is 100% airport traffic.I suspect that most travelers in the know would take the Airtrain to LIRR, while workers would that the A train to Howard Bitch. ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:19:51 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 9 17:19:08 2019. Well, it is not redundant if you have to transfer to NJT for a mile or two before getting on the air train.More sense would be to extend the Air Train to Newark. ROAR |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Sun Nov 10 10:39:45 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:17:31 2019. If the workers are coming from certain directions the subway is way to long. 10 trip and monthly rates are used by workers. Always see lots of TSA and airline folks when i ride it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 10 11:20:24 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:19:51 2019. Yes, whatever they replace the monorail with should be extended to Newark Penn.There is the 62 Bus for $1.60. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 10 11:22:44 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:17:31 2019. There is the Q10 from both IND subways, the Jamaica el, and the LIRR at Kew Gardens (still in ZOne 1, not 3 like Jamaica). |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 10 11:37:48 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 10 11:20:24 2019. Yup! The Manhattan to EWR hack, if you're not carrying a lot of luggage, is PATH to Newark Penn and the 62 to EWR. Total fare = $4.35, travel time from 33 St. is about 50 minutes, depending on connections at NWK. Roughly comparable to Amtrak or NJT from NY Penn + Airtrain, but MUCH cheaper. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 10 13:40:39 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by K. Trout on Sat Nov 9 16:06:53 2019. When the MTA issued the LGA study and proposal...They had alternate routes using the 63rd St Tunnel and city streets via the Sunnyside yard. A Grand Central Parkway route from the Astoria Blvd station was dismissed due to grades and property issues. Over several billion dollars set aside for the subway was used for other projects...such as buying new buses. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 10 18:07:47 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 10 11:20:24 2019. In that case, it should be replaced with the PATH train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 10 18:52:46 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 10 18:07:47 2019. Problem was shoehorning it into buildings. They deliberately designed the monorail to be too narrow to allow PATH trains. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Nov 10 21:56:49 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 20:56:56 2019. I'm not sure if that could ever happen any time soon. LGA is sandwiched between two much larger airports, therefore airspace is pretty limited, even planes that land on JFK's 13L and 13R runways have to use the parkway visual approach which can't be done in low visibility; even one of the runways at Newark have to use a visual approach that also cannot be done in low visibility. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 10 22:11:03 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Nov 10 21:56:49 2019. If Rikers is out of the picture, you can realign and/or slightly extend...If you can eliminate the crossing, you can greatly lessen bad weather or unfavorable wind direction delays. Can't really add much more traffic, but you can drastically improve flight delay issues. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 11 01:03:56 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 19:28:07 2019. I agree. More subway related than airline, the IRT el at 125 St was there since 1904 and nobody in the original apartments complained about it. When new high rise apartments were built east of Bway, a few tenants complained and for years #1 trains had to operate 15 MPH portal to portal in both directions. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 11 01:26:49 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 10 10:11:45 2019. Nor would Der Fuhrer or Il Duce! |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Nov 11 10:25:25 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 9 18:00:56 2019. Rikers is scheduled to be closed in a few years. That land could be used to possibly expand LGA (I can't see why not!)"In October 2019, the New York City Council voted to close down the facility by 2026." -- Wikipedia |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 11 10:54:18 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 10 11:37:48 2019. As a traveler I am not looking for cheaper but easier.I wonder what the taxi fare from EWR to MLK and Springfield is. Maybe I should do that next year. ROAR |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 11 11:07:33 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Nov 11 10:25:25 2019. There are a bunch of proposals for utilizing some of the space,including a PV (solar) energy farm with battery energy storage, and wastewater treatment facilities. None of those would exclude some LGA use. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 11 11:28:06 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Nov 11 10:25:25 2019. Yeah, and they are going to let all of the dangerous people roam loose until some kills them in self defence.RAOPR |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Nov 11 11:45:24 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 11 11:28:06 2019. The proposal calls for the building of new borough-centric houses of detention. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 11 11:56:20 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Nov 11 11:45:24 2019. Good luck with that, of course.I doubt Rikers will close anywhere near the claimed schedule. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 11 12:00:04 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 11 11:56:20 2019. They are no longer proposals, since the City Council voted to make it policy. If, and it is a big if, the 4 Borough based jails are in service as mandated, closing Rikers is not hard. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Mon Nov 11 14:57:49 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 11 12:00:04 2019. As of Jan 1 , most violent felonies will result in no bail, right back on street . They call this reform. Count on subway ridership plummeting |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Nov 11 15:37:30 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Brightonr68 on Mon Nov 11 14:57:49 2019. Actually the new law that eliminates cash bail does not apply to violent felonies. It may not be a good idea, but it is an entirely different issue. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 11 15:46:26 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Brightonr68 on Mon Nov 11 14:57:49 2019. As of Jan 1 , most violent felonies will result in no bail, right back on street.Huh? Did you mean non-violent? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 11 17:31:17 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 11 15:46:26 2019. They do not put violet fellows in jail. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 11 18:05:02 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Brightonr68 on Mon Nov 11 14:57:49 2019. Wrong - non-violent felonies. |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 12 17:58:15 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 9 18:57:27 2019. The bypassing NIMBY objection was not as difficult for the Airtrain with or without the local station (which I believe they only promise to study, it never had a chance to be built) as they used ROW belonging to the City and State. No private property easements or takings required. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Nov 13 07:35:42 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 11 01:03:56 2019. The NIMBY phenomenon has caused lots of problems for improved transit ideas for many years. The Rockaway Beach branch of the LIRR which is now abandoned is one example in that it could have been used but the NIMBY crowd said no. Same thing for the F train being extended out to Little Neck Parkway and Hillside Ave. as proposed in the IND Second System - it would have been a good thing, but the NIMBY crowd said no. Hopefully a new generation of people will see the light and allow for improvements to be made - and upgrading of all infrastructure should be budgeted for as regularly as one would plan upgrades to one's own home - at some point in time it will be needed, like a new roof on the house, new windows or doors, new sidewalk in front, new paint on the exterior, and the list goes on. Who likes waiting in the snow for a bus when a subway underground would get people home sooner and out of the elements ? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 13 18:02:36 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Nov 13 07:35:42 2019. I wasn’t aware that it was the NIMBYs that were the problem with the Hillside Av extension. I thought it was just money. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 5 17:09:51 2019, in response to Re: Airtrain to LGA, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 10 11:20:24 2019. I mostly agree, far more options at Newark Penn than EWR, and it would eliminate the need to have trains (both NJT and Amtrak) stop at EWR. Only question is if Newark Penn has the space to deal with the influx of riders carrying tons of luggage? |
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