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They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019 The railroad finally got tired of trucks slamming into it all the time. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 22 06:56:39 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. So that means in addition to raising the bridge, they're also raising the tracks that approach the bridge too, correct ?Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 08:20:25 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 22 06:56:39 2019. I would imagine so, the article doesn't say. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 08:34:00 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 22 06:56:39 2019. So that means in addition to raising the bridge, they're also raising the tracks that approach the bridge too, correct ?Two week project sounds to me like the City of Durham is going to lower pavement and or base under the bridge by eight inches. The height of the crown in the road under the bridge looks a little excessive as well, reducing the crown will gain at least a half of the eight inches. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Oct 22 08:48:13 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 08:20:25 2019. What a surprise. in other words, your article isn't true. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Oct 22 08:48:34 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 22 06:56:39 2019. I think they should lower all the bridges to discourage people from buying harmful SUV's. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 09:00:53 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Oct 22 08:48:13 2019. How does the article become "not true" simply because it doesn't mention whether the tracks would be raised?Did you ever think, as another poster just pointed out, that the roadway might be getting lowered? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 09:11:09 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Oct 22 08:48:13 2019. What a surprise. in other words, your article isn't true.Yes it is true:
John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 09:18:20 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Oct 22 08:48:34 2019. I think they should lower all the bridges to discourage people from buying harmful SUV's.<sarcasm> How would your Amazon packages get delivered? </sarcasm> John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Oct 22 09:26:24 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 09:18:20 2019. Drones?I prefer the services that use Fed-Ex. There you get the independent contracts who just throw the package at my door. Maybe we can get some HS quarterbacks to do the deliveries. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 22 12:03:48 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Oct 22 09:26:24 2019. Ain't capitalism wonderful? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 22 12:32:03 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. Boooooooo |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 22 12:55:09 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. Two weeks is not a lot of time to do an 8"change. I would bet they will do it all with the roadway.I could be wrong. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 22 14:00:28 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 22 12:32:03 2019. The Internet has saved many fun videos for posterity. :-) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 14:22:06 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 22 12:55:09 2019. Two weeks is not a lot of time to do an 8"change.I spend a day watching a bridge being moved laterally to allow the construction of a new bridge in its place. The moved bridge became a temporary shoe fly around the site of the replacement bridge. Mind you several months were spent building the temporary shoe fly roadway and the false work to support the moved bridge. The roadway was closed for 36 hours during the move. I would bet they will do it all with the roadway. I could be wrong. I searched a little deeper on the story and from what I could glean the bridge will be lifted. 8 inches will require just under a 0.05 percent grade change over a distance of roughly 300' beyond both ends of the bridge. Looking northeast from Duke Street to the 11 foot 8 bridge. The distance between the Duke Street grade crossing an the bridge abutment is around 390'. the distance to the grade crossing on the other end of the bridge is around 1,300'. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Oct 22 14:29:36 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. Finally. Yeah it's great for gloating over the result of other's mistakes. No, that's not a reason to leave it in place.Would you want to fly on a plane that tests the pilots by, ohhh, cranking in some nose-down trim at random times to test their skills? Pilots are expected to cope with too-low angle of flight, and there are convenient trim switches to correct that, reachable by merely extending your thumb or the like. If there happens to be a hazard regarding the stuff aiming too low, why need leave it be? Heck, why not occasionally throw in some I admit I've enjoyed the videos of of idiots getting a wake-up, but that's a huge, destructive waste to provide a few chuckles. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 22 14:34:28 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. We have quite a few of them on Long Island too.On the Montauk Branch, the one in Blue Point (at the old Blue Point station site west of Patchogue), trucks regularly get sardine canned. Another I know of is in Center Moriches, a bit west of the old Center Moriches station site, over Montauk Highway also gets hit by trucks often. They have a bypass road right next to the bridge, but trucks still hit it. There are others. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 22 15:33:55 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 14:22:06 2019. Thank you for the explanation and the math. It makes sense now that they are raising the bridge. I wonder they are going to still use the old bridge as is? So they will bring in the track laying crew and raise the grade? Thanks, Sand Box John |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 16:07:04 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Oct 22 14:29:36 2019. When I took EVOC back in the age of the dinosaurs, one of the first things they told us was "always know how tall your truck is". I know that's part of CDL training to this day.It's easy to blame the bridge for the driver's ignorance of his vehicle's dimensions. However, this is still a good idea. Now I'll wait until the first 12'5" truck smacks into the trestle. You know it will happen! |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 17:06:34 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 22 15:33:55 2019. Thank you for the explanation and the math. It makes sense now that they are raising the bridge. I wonder they are going to still use the old bridge as is? So they will bring in the track laying crew and raise the grade? Thanks, Sand Box JohnThey will likely bring in cribbing blocks and set them under the bridge near the load bearing points and put hydraulic jacks on top, Lift the bridge, Grout in the higher bearing points blocks on the abutments and reset the bridge and heighten wall of the abutments. Something like this with hydraulic jacks under the bridge minus the wheels:  John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 22 17:16:13 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 17:06:34 2019. Aha! Thank you! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 22 17:28:56 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. Thanks, again, JayZeeBMT for posting about this 11"-8" bridge. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Oct 22 18:20:28 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 17:06:34 2019. I presume that would mean that the rail line would be out of service for a couple weeks? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 19:16:51 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Oct 22 18:20:28 2019. I presume that would mean that the rail line would be out of service for a couple weeks?The lifting and resetting shouldn't take more then a couple of days. The prep before and details after will likely eat up most of the time. There are time laps videos on youtube of project larger and more extensive then this one (total replacement with longer spans) that are executed in under 48 hours. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Oct 22 20:53:20 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 16:07:04 2019. If they were going to the trouble of raising the bridge at all, it should have been made a full 14'-0" clearance. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 22 21:42:20 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 09:11:09 2019. pwnt |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 22 23:00:00 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. They should take a cue from Robert Moses and make it lower! |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Oct 22 23:05:45 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 22 19:16:51 2019. The difference between jobs where all involved are serious about getting it done vs those where the intent is to milk it for all the public is worth is amazing. Much underappreciated work goes into the former, much of the opposite is concealed within the latter. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Oct 22 23:12:52 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Oct 22 20:53:20 2019. Agreed. Do It Once and all that.Supposedly that would require raising other bridges on the line. I don't understand all the dynamics of a freight train, but you'd think that a train moving at 25 mph could handle, say, a 3% grade totaling a whole thirty inches. Streetcars (e.g. in Boston) run up and down hills that are uncomfortable to walk, and have done so since WWI. Streetcares ain't freight trains, but Shirley a 30" rise could be handled over a hundred yards horizontal, especially considering that only a fraction of the train would be on the little incline. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 23 01:11:05 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 22 06:56:39 2019. Unless raising they're "raising" the bridge by lowering the road. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 23 04:28:50 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 23 01:11:05 2019. Please read all of Sand Box John's posts, they are raising the Railroad. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 23 06:31:48 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Oct 22 20:53:20 2019. Combine the raising of the bridge that they are doing with lowering the roadway below by 1'7"? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 23 06:41:57 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 23 06:31:48 2019. It is not a regular truck route for semis, that are 13' 6". The 11'-8" bridge is being raised 8" to allow most rental trucks and campers with roof vents to get through. It you watch the video of the bridge hits, those guys are the offenders, mostly. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Oct 23 06:48:54 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Oct 22 23:12:52 2019. Agreed. Do It Once and all that.Supposedly that would require raising other bridges on the line. I don't understand all the dynamics of a freight train, but you'd think that a train moving at 25 mph could handle, say, a 3% grade totaling a whole thirty inches. Streetcars (e.g. in Boston) run up and down hills that are uncomfortable to walk, and have done so since WWI. Streetcares ain't freight trains, but Shirley a 30" rise could be handled over a hundred yards horizontal, especially considering that only a fraction of the train would be on the little incline. Replace adjacent bridges with grade crossings, The one to the southeast 390', the one to the northwest is 1,300' You will have to triple that 100 yards to allow for the vertical curves. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 23 10:25:29 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 16:07:04 2019. Yeah, professional drivers would or should know. Most of the truck to hit that bridge are driven by other peeps who rent the trucks.The are told how high the truck is and that they are responsible for overhead collisions, the even initial a box stating that they have read this, and the clerk *always* tells them... BUT.... : ) ROAR |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 23 10:58:12 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 23 10:25:29 2019. I agree with you. The average rental "schmuck" hits the bridge , for sure. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Oct 23 11:03:25 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 23 10:25:29 2019. Unfortunately, many professional drivers (or their bosses) continue to "cheap out" and rely on regular rather than truck GPS. The ability to program in height, and route accordingly is a hugely important feature that would prevent many hits. It's the kind of thing we shouldn't have to mandate, but at some point probably will. Of course, like any other safety feature, people actually have to pay attention to it for it to have any worth. Coming out of the dry cleaners a few months ago, I watched a woman back out of her spot int anther car. She got out and said "I am so sorry, my car started making this annoying beeping sound and it distracted me" As Judge Judy might say "you can't fix stupid" |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 23 20:50:13 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 22 23:00:00 2019. Moses' ideas about the Mid-Manhattan and Lower Manhattan Expressways were actually good ones. Makes no sense to have to traverse the local streets going between the Lincoln and Midtown Tunnels, never mind the Holland Tunnel and any route into Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 23 20:52:27 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. I remember so many trucks hitting the former CNJ bridge over Elmora Avenue in Elizabeth NJ (today referred to as the "Elizabeth Industrial Track" albeit not in service for decades west of Broad Street). Just can imagine what problems there would be now in terms of passenger train disruption if there were no Aldene Plan. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Oct 24 00:57:08 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by pragmatist on Wed Oct 23 11:03:25 2019. She got out and said "I am so sorry, my car started making this annoying beeping sound and it distracted me" As Judge Judy might say "you can't fix stupid"People who resist technology make statements like that.I have an 2019 Altima and love all the beeps and warnings. They are there to help you. Altima -front Altima-rear |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 24 08:15:12 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 23 20:50:13 2019. They still would have had entrances and exits within Manhattan, and therefor mainly serve to dump more cars onto Manhattan streets exceeding any reduction in Brooklyn - NJ thru traffic now on Manhattan streets. |
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11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Nov 6 20:45:03 2019, in response to They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 22 04:47:55 2019. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Nov 6 21:26:46 2019, in response to 11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Nov 6 20:45:03 2019. I see there's an eyedunno blocker on one side, but no such barrier on the other. Is that to preserve entertainment value? ;-) |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Nov 6 21:40:12 2019, in response to Re: 11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Nov 6 21:26:46 2019. it's a one way street. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 7 02:30:45 2019, in response to 11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Nov 6 20:45:03 2019. Thank you very much, Sand Box John Looks like the RR was raised 8", I see 8"I beams on the bridge supports........ |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 7 04:31:54 2019, in response to Re: 11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 7 02:30:45 2019. That extra 8" should help the campers and rental box trucks that were having problems. :) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 7 05:23:17 2019, in response to Re: 11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 7 04:31:54 2019. From Wikipedia:In October 2019, the North Carolina Railroad Company began work to raise the bridge by 8 inches (20 cm) as part of a $500,000 project to improve safety and reduce damage to the span. The bridge was raised to a new height of 12 feet 4 inches (3.76 m), the maximum clearance that wouldn't affect the grades of nearby crossings. The entire project is expected to take two weeks to complete, although the actual raising on October 30 only took 8 hours. It's been raised and open for business........ |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Nov 7 06:25:53 2019, in response to Re: They're Raising The 11-Foot-8 Bridge, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 23 10:25:29 2019. Even pros do this. We see it on the Hutch on an almost weekly basis. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 7 07:01:50 2019, in response to 11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Nov 6 20:45:03 2019. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. At least it will be around forever on You Tube. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Nov 7 07:11:25 2019, in response to Re: 11-Foot-8 + 8 Bridge Reopened, posted by rkba on Wed Nov 6 21:40:12 2019. aha, eye fergot dat. |
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