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Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 14:25:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 13:22:40 2019. You do? What does the Confederacy have to do with Robert Moses? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:27:48 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:24:13 2019. Actually, Sonny was rubbed out on the Atlantic Beach Bridge, which connects Far Rockaway and the Five Towns with Atlantic Beach.That bridge is, to this day, the only toll bridge operated by Nassau County. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:29:17 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 14:25:34 2019. Nothing. I'm drawing a contrast. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:29:46 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:27:48 2019. No, he wasn't. The novel makes it clear he was driving through Jones Beach. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:31:47 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:29:46 2019. Watch the movie. In the film, you can see "Atlantic Beach Bridge" signage.I concede the film might have taken license with the original novel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 14:38:33 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:20:24 2019. Come on. That was such blatant discrimination that ACLU at the very lest, or class action by various neighborhood or civic groups. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 14:39:08 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:21:39 2019. Don't agree with you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 14:40:18 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:21:00 2019. Of course. Robert Moses was all in on socialism for autos. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:44:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:29:46 2019. I'll give you this from the book, though:"Afterward, all four men, the three actual assasins and the bogus toll collector, were in their car and speeding toward the Meadowbrook Parkway, on the other side of Jones Beach." That puts Sonny on the Loop Parkway, which had been completed at the time of the events in The Godfather, and would indicate that Puzo has Corleone coming back from Point Lookout. Since the juncture of the Meadowbrook and the Loop Parkway had tolls at both entrances to Jones Beach, this fits. However, Corleone could also return to the city via the Atlantic Beach Bridge from Point Lookout via Long Beach, which is closer to what is suggested in the film. There is that... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:50:54 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 14:38:33 2019. Blatant discrimination against whom? A foreign government? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:51:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 14:39:08 2019. So you're going forward with a fallacious argument. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 15:07:14 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:50:54 2019. The Jewish nation was denied representation. That could have been interpreted s an anti-Semetic act. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 15:08:45 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:51:34 2019. Your opinion. Much has been written on how he helped destroy the South Bronx. None of its researchers believe it to be "fallacious". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 15:23:07 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 15:08:45 2019. Maybe, but YOUR POST was fallacious, using the post hoc fallacy and most egregiously associating manufacturing job losses with the expressway with no basis whatsoever. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 15:25:59 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 15:07:14 2019. And who would have standing to sue, then? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 15:55:14 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:31:47 2019. Incorrect. Just because they painted a sign doesn't mean that's where they filmed it. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 15:58:02 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 15:55:14 2019. I'm talking about the storyline. In the film, Corleone gets whacked at the Atlantic Beach Bridge. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 16:01:29 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:29:17 2019. Again. Apples and oranges. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 16:01:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:29:17 2019. Again. Apples and oranges. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:05:45 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 15:25:59 2019. I already answered that. They would have taken it as a personalafront that they were discriminated against. Do you actually think if that happened today, they would roll over ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:07:06 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 15:23:07 2019. I put up 3 URL's. There were hundreds more. Nobody cares if you found them arguments "fallacious". |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:14:19 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:53:00 2019. It is unfortunate since the Chicago agency charged with building the expressways is called the Department of SUBWAYS and Superhighways. NY should have had a department like that so that transportation in NY could have been intelligently planned. That was also the fault of that anti trolley mayor Laguardia who along with his appointee Moses was responsible for the deathe of sensible transit planning i NYC. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:14:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:07:06 2019. Yes, people who haven't already made up their minds care about that.And why are you putting it in quotes? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:16:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 16:01:29 2019. So? I agree with you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:17:40 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:05:45 2019. Who are "they?"Someone would have protested, but you claimed that someone would have sued. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:17:45 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:16:51 2019. According to my late attorney, who was attending NY Law School at the same time as Moses’s kids, Moses not only converted from Judaism to Episcopalian but insisted his family do the same since the children had apparently been raised as Jews. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:22:01 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:17:40 2019. It could have been any Jewish organization with sufficient clout like the United Jewish Appeal or the Anti Defamation League. As a slight off topic aside, it’s too bad that Catholic organizations like the Ancient Order of Hibernians and the Knights of Columbus can’t muster the same clout as the Jewish organizations. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:23:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:58:02 2019. The existence of the bridge has nothing to do with the state in which Staten Island lies. That was settled in colonial times before the USA or the states as we know them even existed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:27:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:17:40 2019. They would have sued, just as with the Muslim ban. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:28:42 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:23:55 2019. It determined that the Port Authority would not build the VZB. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:29:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:52:24 2019. As I have mentioned in several posts, as of a 1950 B of T annual report, the connection from Qns Blvd to the Rockaways was still included in the plans for subway service to the Rockaways and was supposed to coexist with Liberty Jct. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 16 16:29:13 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 10:22:28 2019. Let us not forget that Robert Moses wanted to destroy most of the Battery Park area with his Brooklyn- Battery Bridge proposal. He didn't give a shit about whatever stood in the way of his plans! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:29:18 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:27:26 2019. There they had actual people aggrieved by the policy to file suit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:30:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:22:01 2019. There was, in fact, a Jewish pavilion at the fair not affiliated with the State of Israel, so there goes that.Regarding your aside: What do you mean? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:31:14 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:23:55 2019. Re-read my post. I meant that had they not build the bridge, people who moved to SI would have moved to NJ instead. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:36:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:29:11 2019. But of course we know who commandeered that out of consideration. Only one of Ronan's 1967 schemes would have recycled it, as the MTA was created to get rid of Robert Moses. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:37:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:03:07 2019. In one of Ken Burns’ documentaries, Moses was recorded in an interview when asked if the residents in the South Bronx complained when the X Bronx Expwy was built through their neighborhood saying “Oh no, they gave us no trouble at all.” Such blatant lying is inexcusable and its unfortunate that the residents couldn’t have gotten together and stopped him like they were able to stop the Lower Manhattan Expwy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:38:08 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 16 16:29:13 2019. Pittsburgh invited him for his plans on what is now Point State Park where the 2 rivers converge. He would have sliced and diced the area up with freeways, so they sent him back home. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:40:15 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 16 11:03:50 2019. I never heard that trailers were prohibited from Pkways nor have I heard about any prohibition against overhead baggage as long as it does not exceed the height limit. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:41:02 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:37:49 2019. Jane Jacobs was not in the right place at the right time for the Bronx.It took the PRR destroying Penn Station to create the Landmarks Preservation movement, which save GCT, so some verifiable damage had to be done first before Moses could be stopped. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:42:29 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:31:01 2019. Actually, I have heard that Hitler got some of his anti Semitic ideas from Ford not that he would have needed any help. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:46:16 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:36:30 2019. It’s unfortunate that the NYC fiscal crisis put an end to many of the MTA’s plans since they would have partially undone some of Moses’ damage. On its face, the creation of the Cross Bronx Expwy destructive to neighborhoods though it was might not have been so bad if it had been constructed with a median for rapid transit Chicago style The same for the LIE and G/Cent Pky. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:49:39 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:30:24 2019. Being a member of both aforementioned Catholic organizations, it seems to me that when legislation or other public anti Catholic actions are proposed or enacted, our voices are virtually unheard. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:52:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:46:16 2019. I heard of a proposal to relocate the LIRR Main line between Ronkonkoma and Riverhead in the 1960's, because there was no market on their Yaphank route via the Pine Barrens. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:53:23 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:28:42 2019. When I was still in grammar school, we were shown a slide presentation that indicated that the proposed Narrows Bridge (the name Verrazano had not yet been decided on) would be a joint project of the PA and the TBTA. Had that actually been the case, it’s highly possible that the subway would be crossing the bridge by now. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 16:59:04 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:53:23 2019. changed |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 17:02:03 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:53:23 2019. The Port Authority is hardly a pro-transit agency. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 17:11:18 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:37:49 2019. But he's right. They're complaints gave them no trouble at all. They could just bulldoze them. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 16 17:18:59 2019, in response to Re: Please take this to OT ChatNY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 16:59:04 2019. I have already ignored it 100 posts or more ago.ROAR |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:22:22 2019, in response to Re: Please take this to OT ChatNY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 16:59:04 2019. Why? Moses’ actions had a huge impact on the NYC subways and the commuter RR’s as we know them today. The topic is appropriate for SubChat. I posted it here so it doesn’t get lost in all the political drivel on OTChat. |
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