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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 00:13:20 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. OMG, this shit just doesn't fucking end.Confederate figures are wrong not because they were racist but because they were TRAITORS! Robert Moses was no traitor. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 00:13:43 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. Also, please provide a non-amped URL. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 16 00:38:16 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. And, once again, this is why Trump won, and will win again. Robert Moses was a man of another era. Sure, he was a scumbag who hated public transportation, but many people were racist back then. It's just the way it was. To get insulted now in 2019 it's just some baby bulshit. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 07:16:28 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 16 00:38:16 2019. No one in New York will change their mind and vote for Trump over this. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 07:22:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 07:16:28 2019. I’ll bet at least 50% of NYC residents either never heard of Robert Moses or if they have, have no idea what his connection is to NYC. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 07:26:59 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 07:22:26 2019. Staten Island is the most Republican Borough, and because of Moses, they are forever relegated to buses and the ferry. They may know that much about him.It has nothing to do with their support of Trump. Their Congressional House Rep fell to a Democrat anyway. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 16 00:38:16 2019. And once again, racism was just as wrong in the time of Robert Moses as it is now. The fact that "many people were racist" doesn't excuse his, or their, behavior.Why are we honoring that kind of vileness? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:19:51 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019. It wasn't passive bigotry. He bulldozed working class neighborhoods, relocated them into Projects and super blocks, while he sent his Parkways on dangerous reverse curve to avoid County clubs.It wasn't just NY Metro area. "Robert Moses Parkway Removal" Moses_Removal We should bulldoze half the Jacob Riis Beach parking lot too The more of his memory is removed, the better. Fuck him. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:21:06 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:19:51 2019. Moses_Removal |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:21:19 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:19:51 2019. Moses_Removal |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:41:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:19:51 2019. I remember when that stretch of the Southern State Parkway from Exit 21 to Exit 17 was called "Blood Alley" because of its high accident rate. Of course, some of those crashes were merely the usual Long Island assholes driving like jerks, but countless others were down to the parkway's intentional design. I remember asking a state trooper about it many years ago, and he remarked that this particular section of the parkway brought houses for his co-workers, so much overtime did it generate.Moses did far more harm than good during his tenure, he knew it, and didn't care. Of note is the fact that from the end of WwII until he was finally forced to retire, the only new subway trackage to open in the city--not conversions of previous rail on the same route--were the extension to 179th Street in Queens, the East New York to Grant Avenue extension, the Church Ave. ramp, and Chrystie Street. That adds up to less than five miles, total. Meanwhile, Moses was doing wholesale, grab-bag destruction of entire neighborhoods. That says more about him than those glowing encomiums his apologists have penned in recent years... |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:52:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:41:55 2019. ENY -Grant Av IND extension lead to mere replaciement of the Fulton ST el and commandeering the LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, hence shutting down Rego Park - Ozone Park LIRR - a net negative in route miles.Church Ave ramp lead to tearing down the residual Culver Shuttle, a net negative in route miles. Not until the Jay Street - Lawrence Street pedestrian transfer was implemented was that rectified, with Wall Street access from the Culver line restored. The transfer in Brooklyn with the 4th Ave BMT meant too much stair climbing. |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Sep 16 09:11:43 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. 'There is no debate over the sheer magnitude of what he built. His accomplishments bestride New York: 416 miles of highways, 13 bridges, 658 playgrounds and housing for 150,000 people. He constructed parkways, tunnels, beaches, zoos, parks, Shea Stadium, the New York Coliseum, the United Nations, Lincoln Center and much more.'OMG! What a horrible guy! |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Sep 16 09:14:17 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:52:24 2019. The transfer in Brooklyn with the 4th Ave BMT meant too much stair climbing.Speaking of that, I wonder if that'll ever become an ADA accessible station, since it's a huge transfer station. And if so, how they plan on implementing wheelchair access. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 09:53:16 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 07:26:59 2019. Or relegated to driving over the Verrazano into Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 10:22:28 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Dan on Mon Sep 16 09:11:43 2019. You call Super Blocks and other Projects "housing" ? They were displacements of what he destroyed.Most of his highways are safety disasters and also ban buses. Some were were financed by stillborn IND System-2 and System 3. Most of what else was built was inevitable. The beaches were built by oceanic long shore drift, not Robert Moses. All he did was build parking lots. He could have destroyed all 2 dozen communities along Fire Island, along with Greenwich Village, and East Village had he not been stopped. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 16 10:46:04 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:19:51 2019. Some of the stuff in that article, like making pools in black areas have colder water than others, just sounds bizarre. And I know there used to be regular buses running to Jones Beach, so if he was trying to keep buses out, he didn't succeed. But certainly, at least one of the Robert Moses State Parks should have its name changed. Having two of them is ridiculous. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:55:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 10:22:28 2019. You call Super Blocks and other Projects "housing" ? They were displacements of what he destroyed.At the time the projects were stated of the art, and they displaced slums with shared bathrooms and no hot water. At least back then they built housing for the working class and not just the rich. Private developments for the middle and upper classes were also built in the Le Corbusier style back then. Most of his highways are safety disasters and also ban buses. Some were were financed by stillborn IND System-2 and System 3. They were built in the 20s and 30s when that was state of the art. New York already had a major network of highways when other cities had nothing. The postwar highways, like the Clearview Expressway and the Staten Island Expressway were built to modern standards and many highways which would have conformed to modern standards were unbuilt. Most of what else was built was inevitable. This sort of inevitability argument can be used to dismiss the achievements of any historical figure. The beaches were built by oceanic long shore drift, not Robert Moses. All he did was build parking lots. Bullshit. Jones Beach is just as artificial as Central Park (although you might not be aware that that's artificial too). Maybe you should read about how it was built. He could have destroyed all 2 dozen communities along Fire Island No, they would have been changed to communities with car access. Less unique, so I'll give you that. along with Greenwich Village, and East Village had he not been stopped. The same way the FDR Drive destroyed the east side? Also, you're thinking of what's now called SoHo. There were no highways planned through the Village. I, for one, am convinced that those neighborhoods suffer worse for all of the interstate truck traffic that clogs the streets. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:56:09 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 16 00:38:16 2019. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:58:02 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 07:26:59 2019. If they know anything about him, they know that he built the Verrazzano Bridge, and is thus the reason why they still live in NYC and not in NJ. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:59:20 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019. The monuments to Moses are to his positive achievements, not to his racist beliefs. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:03:07 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 08:19:51 2019. It wasn't passive bigotry. He bulldozed working class neighborhoods, relocated them into Projects and super blocks, while he sent his Parkways on dangerous reverse curve to avoid County clubs.People who are members of exclusive country clubs have the power to force highways to be rerouted. It's as true now as it was then. It was either reroute the road, or not build it at all. Politicians today would get nothing done instead of coming up with imperfect solutions. Note that when it came time to build the LIE, Moses got his revenge by routing the LIE straight through. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 16 11:03:50 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019. The overpasses on the way to Jones Beach were not constructed to keep buses our. They are constructed to the same specifications as all of the parkway overpasses.And these were indeed to limit usage to passenger cars. Even today no commercial vehicle is permitted on the parkways. Your car can pull no trailer, your car cannot have any advertising logos on it, and you may have no overhead baggage attached to your car. Racks are permitted if they are OEM provided, but not the removable kind such as we used going on boy scout camping trips back in the 50s-60s. A van without "passenger" windows in it cannot be on the parkway. I do not think that that was a racist move, but that is who the beast was built. Besides you *can* get buses to Jones Beach and always could. They would meet the train in Freeport, and enter the Parkway at Merrick Road. There were no more overpasses from there on out. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:05:15 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 16 10:46:04 2019. That was because of racialism. At the time people legitimate believed in bullshit like blacks have thicker skin and prefer colder water. The horrifying thing isn't that people believed that, but that people still believe that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:12:39 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:55:26 2019. The neighborhoods were fully functional, residential with commercial. He destroyed them. Super Blocks was merely to displace them out of the way of his freeways.The Cross Bronx came later and is and was a disaster. All the beaches, including Jones, are barrier islands, and are in a constant state of moving. He built parking lots. Fire Island isn't wide enough to have much left had he put a Parkway down the middle of it. That would have been the end of them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:15:09 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:58:02 2019. They didn't want the VZB built at the time. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:18:33 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 16 11:03:50 2019. Some commercial vans buy them with "Parkway Windows" to get on the them. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 11:23:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019. You say the word racism more than the word The. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 11:25:21 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. I'm glad the author has the ability to make this his life's ambition. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 11:26:08 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 11:23:30 2019. Learn how to read. The word "racism" appears once in that post, but the wind "the" appears twice.You are obsessed with smearing me. That's sad. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:28:48 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:58:02 2019. The VZB was his last great project. The city begged him to allow a subway line to be built on it. He naturally refused. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:30:21 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:28:48 2019. And kept the AA/CC trains off the GWB to Fort Lee. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:31:01 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019. I think every public figure was racist to some extent. Henry Ford was a virulent anti-Semite and admirer of Hitler. Should all public references to Ford be erased? To my knowledge, Jews have never boycotted Ford products. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:32:25 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:30:21 2019. And kept a shuttle from JFK to the Queens Boulevard IND line to be built alongside the Van Wyck Expressway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:37:27 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:32:25 2019. Isn't that why Van Wyck got built without a median ? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 11:38:05 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 11:26:08 2019. I read just fine. There's not a balanced bone in your body that's my problem with you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:39:13 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:31:01 2019. Some Jewish people in the DC area have a problem with handing over commuter rail operations to Keolis. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 11:39:37 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 11:38:05 2019. In your opinion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:46:52 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:12:39 2019. The neighborhoods were fully functional, residential with commercial. He destroyed them. Super Blocks was merely to displace them out of the way of his freeways.And there are still fully functional neighborhoods with highways running through them. The BQE through Williamsburg and Greenpoint, the Belt through Sheepshead Bay, the Cross Island Parkway, the LIE, the HHP through Riverdale. It goes on. Meanwhile, neighborhoods with highways planned through them that were never built suffered anyway, like Bushwick and East New York. So maybe correlation doesn't imply causation and the decline of neighborhoods has multiple causes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:50:10 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:12:39 2019. All the beaches, including Jones, are barrier islands, and are in a constant state of moving. He built parking lots.He also built bridges, utility connections, dumped sand to expand them, and planted grasses to stabilize the dunes. Fire Island isn't wide enough to have much left had he put a Parkway down the middle of it. That would have been the end of them. The planned OP Extension would have been a super-2. There are still residential neighborhoods on Jones Beach Island east of Jones Beach. West Gilgo Beach even involved moving houses. And modern Fire Island provides access to fewer people than Jones Beach, or Robert Moses Park on Fire Island. Those are more egalitarian. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:51:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:28:48 2019. If the bridge had the grades to allow subway service, I guarantee you it never would have been built anyway. Instead, we'd be stuck with unnecessarily long approach roads. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:52:05 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:30:21 2019. He had nothing to do with the GWB. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:53:00 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:32:25 2019. Yes. He should be blamed for not building highways with medians for transit Chicago-style. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:53:25 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 11:31:01 2019. IAWTP 100%. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:56:01 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:15:09 2019. So? The population of SI exploded after 1964. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:57:07 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-robert-moses-name-should-be-mud-20190915-6d2wqjeiqjbbzikni3tfzagyqm-story.htmlAMP vandalism removed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 11:59:07 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:56:01 2019. Which is not the outcome they were looking for. They wanted their rural island preserved. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 12:00:14 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:51:49 2019. But he ordered the shafts to start subway construction to be filled in. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 12:06:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:46:52 2019. The best one is the Clearview.Good post |
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