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Posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019 It is only 2 N/B trains in AM Rush and 2 S/B in PM Rush but I guess it has to start somewhere.http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-nyc-transit-adding-limited-f-express-service-brooklyn-residents July 10, 2019 MTA NYC Transit Adding Limited F Express Service for Brooklyn Residents with Longest Commutes Four Rush Hour Trains Per Day Will Run Express to Speed Trips for Thousands of Commuters MTA New York City Transit announced today that it will offer a limited express service on the F line beginning September 2019 to speed up the commutes of thousands of customers who use the subway line in Brooklyn during the morning and evening rush hours. “We’re adding some limited express service to the F line in Brooklyn because our customers asked, and we listened,” said MTA NYC Transit President Andy Byford. “It will benefit thousands of commuters by getting them to their destinations faster instead of sitting waiting as their train makes all local stops.” NYC Transit will introduce limited peak-direction, a.m. and p.m. rush hour express service on the F line between Church Av and Jay St-MetroTech, stopping at 7 Av, beginning in September 2019. The F line currently operates local service on a 26-station segment from Bway-Lafayette St to Coney Island-Stillwell Av, the longest local service-only portion of any subway line in the system. Southern Brooklyn customers traveling to and from Midtown Manhattan can spend 50 minutes or more in each direction as trains provide service to every stop along the route. More than half of F customers affected by the express service enhancement will benefit from a faster ride, with some shaving about an hour off their commute times each week. To balance ridership needs at local F stations in Brooklyn with the new express service benefitting the southern portion of the line, two Manhattan-bound trains between 7 a.m. and 7:30 a.m., and two Coney Island-bound trains between 5 p.m. and 5:40 p.m., will operate express between Church Av and Jay St-MetroTech. These particular times were chosen to benefit the largest number of customers while limiting impact and wait times for other Brooklyn riders of the F line. To accommodate the new express service, local service schedules will be adjusted to ensure even train spacing during the brief windows when express service will operate. The express trains will be identified as F-Diamond (an F inside a diamond), similar to the design convention used on other express trains. ------------------------------- There is more to the article on the address it put above. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 10 10:34:04 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Wow.Any chance Bergen Street lower will be rehabbed and reopened as part of this service or is it a dead dog? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 10 10:45:34 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 10 10:34:04 2019. No. It says "stopping at 7th Ave," not "stopping at 7th Ave and Bergen Street." |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jul 10 10:56:36 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. We'll see how it goes. I'd say the ideal is that an express passes exactly one local in front of it, "cleanly," such that little-to-no conflict occurs at rejoining points (e.g. Jay St northbound). Extra points if the two meet up at 7th Ave for passenger transfers, and extra points if the F express departs/arrives (depending on direction) simultaneously with the G at Church Ave. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 10 11:24:31 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Won't work. The conductor will waste so much time telling people that the train is going express that it will offset any benefit. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 10 11:44:16 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Two trains each way? Seems hardly worth the effort. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 10 12:39:26 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. If it's just two trains, it's misleading to announce "F Express service in Brooklyn".Something like this will cause more confusion, and disappointment, than anything else. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 10 12:40:52 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 10 11:44:16 2019. and hardly announcement worthy.It's false advertising in a way. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 10 13:00:29 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 10 12:39:26 2019. "Something like this will cause more confusion, and disappointment, than anything else."Disappointment for folks looking for express service from Church to Kings Hwy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 10 14:12:46 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 10 12:39:26 2019. No, it’s not misleading. They’re saying “F Express Service in Brooklyn.” |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 10 14:38:10 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. I doubt if these are 2 additional trains in the AM and PM, rather 2 trains each rush hour rerouted to the express track because once they merge with the E, the express tracks are already at capacity.More importantly, looking at the AM rush, once the new schedules are published, it could give the G even spacing of intervals out of Church Ave. CURRENTLY trains during the F target time of 7 to 7:30, G trains leave Church Ave. at the following times: 6:58, 7:06 (8 minute gap), 712 (6), 7:21 (9), 7:30 (9), 7:35 (5). As you can see, G trains do not have evenly spaced intervals. Sometimes a given G train could have 2 F's in between it and its' leader, and sometimes just 1 F between it and its' leader. For example, when I worked the G right before retirement 5 1/2 years ago, I made a 7:07/Church, my leader was 10 minutes ahead of me (6:57) with 2 F's between us and my follower was a 7:13, 6 minutes behind me with just 1 F between us. The result was most of the time I left a minute or 2 late (by the time the second F left the station, signals cleared and I got on my train, charged it up and left). The result was a hellish trip with a packed train by Bed/Nost along with long station dwell times. Because of the long gap it resulted in my follower catching up to me by Metropolitan. |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 15:24:18 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 10 10:34:04 2019. It's a nice idea but with only 2 trains each way they wouldn't want to go thru the effort.Think about it - how many passengers who use the Bergen St station even know that there is a lower level station? I would say at most 1% (and those would be older people - or railfans). |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 10 15:34:15 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. I guess the two trains each way is a demo of sorts to either justify more service later or else say: "we tried and it just didn't work."Almost all of the rush hour special services I can think of had at least four or five intervals each way. The QB and NX immediately after Christie Street, the Fourth Avenue and Brighton Bankers. Since the target audience is Brooklyn they could possibly add <F>s without buggering up Queens Blvd. by making 96-2nd the north terminal. There's extra capacity there until the T starts running. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 10 15:35:57 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 10 15:34:15 2019. Hell there's more unmarked (per the map) Hillside av E expresses than that (which have seven Manhattan bound expresses). |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 10 15:46:51 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 10 15:35:57 2019. Yup. And I forgot the 14th Street-Fulton Street service even further back in the day. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Jul 10 16:32:58 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Guess this will shut Vtrain/Chicago44 up. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jul 10 16:41:41 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. I guess that's nice for those lucky enough to be able to catch one, but basically, this is much ado about very little, kind of like a slot machine that starts ringing bells because it paid out 10 cents on a dollar bet. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 10 17:36:37 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Jul 10 16:32:58 2019. Don't talk him up (as my grandmother used to say). |
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Posted by Clayton on Wed Jul 10 18:44:47 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Good news, but too few trains I think to really make a dent. They should publish the running time saved on the F. There's definitely something nice about leaving Jay Street S/B and powering right through Bergen lower without having to take a diverging route twice on switches to get into Bergen upper, especially when having to merge with a G. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Wed Jul 10 20:09:59 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Clayton on Wed Jul 10 18:44:47 2019. This will relieve pressure on Brighton line . A good number of people who live in between f and Brighton line take buses to Brighton line instead of f . It is so much faster |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 10 21:48:14 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Brightonr68 on Wed Jul 10 20:09:59 2019. But doesn't the MTA site say that times into midtown are the same? :-) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 02:26:38 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 10 10:34:04 2019. Probably not, as it will add time. But you can peak out the windows!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 02:26:51 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Very cool |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 02:28:12 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 15:24:18 2019. That is correct |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 02:30:17 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 10 11:24:31 2019. I doubt many people south of church care about any of the local stations missed, so it wont matter if they stay on or get off. Going back there is plenty of time to tell passengers that stations are skipped. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 11 04:09:04 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 10 15:34:15 2019. This has the odor of the Jerome Ave expresses tried previously in 2009, although here they are not saying outright that this is a "trial."If they publish "diamond F" on the map, then I suppose it will replace the Z as the route designation with the least service. On the bright side, I suppose it would be nice to see that diagonal orange line cut through Prospect Park on the map. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Jul 11 04:21:45 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 11 04:09:04 2019. If they don’t advertises it and run it consistently , it will be a failure . I live at ave u on the f for the past 10 years after lives along the Brighton for the 30 years prior . The f is a slow boat to China as compared to the Brighton . 1/3 of the local stop riders on the Brighton, switch to the express . A good amount of the riders arrive by bus from the area between the f and the Brighton line avoiding the f. Neptune ave on the f , one of the lowest ridership stations on the system is due to this slow ride . Riders walk to the nearby Brighton line . Coordinating the local f to arrive before the f express is also something that is important. 90% of the time as the B approached Kong’s highway, a q local was either waiting across platform or 1 station away facilitating the transfer. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 04:24:22 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 11 04:09:04 2019. If they publish "diamond F" on the map, then I suppose it will replace the Z as the route designation with the least service.6 Ns at 96/2, 7 Es at Hillside, noted on the schedules. 6 Zs, 5 Rockaway Park As and 12 5s to Nereid, also noted on the map. There are already 7 Fs on the schedule with indications that they originate at Avenue X. So it sounds more like a schedule annotation rather than a map change. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 04:25:17 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 02:30:17 2019. Going northbound might not be an issue, but southbound? There's always going to be people waffling because they didn't get the message the first, second, or third times, thus delaying the train. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 04:28:44 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 04:25:17 2019. Southbound, make repeated announcements between 2nd Ave and Jay. Then at Jay, open the doors, announce next stop 7th Ave, let people out and in, close the doors, and leave. After one accidental trip to 7th, which isn't a huge deal, people will pay attention. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jul 11 04:35:05 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Should save 2-3 minutes eventually. Impressive idea |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 04:43:20 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 04:25:17 2019. No different than a 6 diamond express or local in the Bronx and so forth. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 04:44:31 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 04:28:44 2019. Exactly. Somehow they manage on the 6 diamond, 5, and the others just fine |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 05:37:49 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 04:44:31 2019. I think various people are making the point that these are very rare trains. So a greater percentage of riders will be caught unawares, say because they usually come at a different time and have no chance of catching a surprise express.When a behind-schedule 6 goes express southbound from 14th to BB, stopping only at Bleecker, they make a ridiculous number of announcements, making it even further behind schedule. So the concern is based on some reality. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 05:44:38 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 05:37:49 2019. I've been on enough F trains which did this or similar enough times, the last one a little over a week ago. I just have to multiply the effect by the number of customers. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 05:46:17 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jul 11 04:43:20 2019. A 6 diamond express is clearly marked and people have known about them for decades. Will the F express trains be so marked, and will people understand that? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 06:07:20 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 05:44:38 2019. Right. PM southbound F trains behind schedule have a habit of skipping 2nd Ave and East Broadway. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 11 07:42:41 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 10 11:24:31 2019. Platform signs telling them about the service should put every one in the know.Thing is, this 'trial period' is set up to fail. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 11 07:51:26 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Clayton on Wed Jul 10 18:44:47 2019. YUP. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 07:52:10 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 11 05:46:17 2019. Have you read the press release?These F's will have a diamond around it rather than a circle. And those passengers who don't look will just have to take the ear buds out. No doubt there will be in car signage. a Station station signage too which very few bother to read because they are in a rush to get to the platform or out of the station. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 08:01:14 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Jul 11 04:21:45 2019. Let me ask you a question: if you're getting on at say Ave. U and the "local" comes in first, is it worth passing it up to wait for the "diamond?". |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 08:01:16 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Jul 11 04:21:45 2019. Let me ask you a question: if you're getting on at say Ave. U and the "local" comes in first, is it worth passing it up to wait for the "diamond?". |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 08:05:36 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 04:24:22 2019. Once the Queens F riders hear about this, will they demand a diamond F out of 179? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 08:07:50 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jul 11 04:35:05 2019. Exactly!Psychological maneuver by MTA to give them one less thing to bitch about in their tweets. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 11 08:16:09 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 04:28:44 2019. Idiots will hold doors until they understand, and being idiots this will take time. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 11 10:47:46 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 08:01:16 2019. Presuming that the two express trains will come from Coney Island and not only Kings Hwy, I would say that it's impossible for a Coney Island F express to overtake the Coney Island F local in front of it. So from Ave U and south, I doubt there would ever be occasion when passing up any train would be time-saving. From Kings Hwy to the north, it would only be helpful to be fully sure that the next train is an express and running on time.Translated into practice, nobody will pass up the first arriving F train. The few hundred people who end up routinely on the expresses will either do so somewhat by accident or because they used their devices to track the express and were convinced (whether by past performance or the current look of it) that it would be punctual. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jul 11 11:37:29 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 11 10:47:46 2019. So they continue the practice of slowing express trains to a crawl. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jul 11 11:39:41 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. It’s a start, although by saying “thousands of commuters,” it makes it sound like a much larger amount of F riders will have faster commutes, than the amount who actually will, given that it’s only two northbound trains in the morning and two southbound in the evening. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 13:09:57 2019, in response to Re: It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 11 10:47:46 2019. Probably a fair number of people who are good at living by the clock will know that if they leave home at exactly 7:17 AM, or something like that, they will catch an express. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 11 19:12:58 2019, in response to It's officially announced: F Express service in Brooklyn, posted by Allan on Wed Jul 10 10:32:31 2019. Didn't the MTA want to move away from using the diamond designations for express trains? |
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