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Re: Fate Of The R32s? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 07:08:50 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 4 03:37:58 2019. I agree. While I'm not a mechanic and don't work for the MTA at all, the R32s sure look a lot better than the R42s..which may reflect that the TA plans to keep them longer and is taking better care of them.But think of it like this- there are over 200 R32s left, and they provide quite a bit of flexibility, both on 8thAve/Fulton and "out East", being able to run easily in both places, and having a decent number of them makes it easy to split them as well. The remaining R42, OTOH, being few in number, have fewer mechanics familiar with them, and therefore, for maintenance purposes need to be kept together. And- when they did try to run R42s on 8th Ave in 2010, it didn't go so well- something about the conductor's cab being misaligned with the boards? (somehow, that wasn't a problem from 1969-88 or so..) |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 07:12:05 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 4 03:12:52 2019. That works both ways. People traveled IN to Williamsburg at night and weekends too, not just the other way around. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 07:23:23 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Thu Jan 3 21:10:40 2019. I have to agree with you here. With no disrespect at all (and I mean that) towards any other poster, I think what's gone on is that we're all so used to bashing Cuomo (and there's a lot to criticize about him), that we view anything he does through a bad lens.But in this case, if the new plan is sound, it should go ahead, despite the costs already sunk into the full shut down. The full shut down would have been enormously disruptive- not only to the subway and to street traffic, but to peoples' lives on both sides of the East River. even Manhattanites who don't use the L would've been very seriously inconvenienced by spillover effects- like people jamming alternate routes and all the extra buses on the street. So- yes, if there is a practical way to avoid the shutdown, it should be attempted. It would be almost irresponsible not to try. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 07:30:28 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 3 18:43:32 2019. I've never worked for MTA in any capacity. But my lifetime of observation leads me to agree with you. The single-tracking plan likely won't work, , for the reasons you describe. Also, work on the 1 Ave Station might also require some weekend full closures.But even weekend and/or night shutdowns are preferable to the full 15-month shutdown. Assuming the new plan is sound, I'm in favor of it. Similarly, the Port Authority asked the MTA to fully shut down the 1 train through WTC a few years back, for 18 months, to facilitate building new WTC. The MTA only agreed to weekend/night closures. It made the WTC job slower and costlier- but MTA wanted its peak hour customers to have service. And I'm pretty sure that the southern end of the 1 gets less ridership than the L between Bedford and 8th Ave. So I'd think the MTA wouldn't really resist internally the new plan. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jan 4 07:43:53 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 20:36:22 2019. So you're saying the MTA collectively is just totally incompetent for not having thought of this?No. Both methods of cable installation have there advantages and disadvantages. The installation to be used can be done quick and easily. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 08:02:38 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 07:23:23 2019. What I fear most is that because this proposal is being advanced by Cuomo, it'll be run like the Enhanced Stations projects, causing a lot of inconvenience for a long time for little tangible benefit while avoiding the major issues (or worse, even if the plan is sound, that it'll be rushed and done sloppily). |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 08:05:51 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 08:02:38 2019. That's possible. I consider the Enhanced Stations to be a waste of time and money.But that, in and of itself, is not a reason to .favor the 15-month shutdown. Let's hope that the new plan is executed well, with quality work; even the work, as originally planned, could have been done poorly. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 08:28:03 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 3 19:39:15 2019. Here are three thoughts.1. Skip 1st and 3rd Aves when single tracking. 1 Ave is important on weekdays but less so on weekends. I'd say skip Bedford too because it's a short walk from Lorimer, but that would overload the platforms at Lorimer. Maybe the time from USQ to Lorimer could be reduced to 6 min. 2. Run 2 trains in a row in the same direction. Outbound, the first train after a 14 minute wait would be an express stopping in Brooklyn only at Bedford, Lorimer, Myrtle, Broadway Jct, and beyond. Two minutes later would come a local. By making the first train an express, you don't overload it because lots of people need the local. Again, for the express I'd be tempted to say skip Bedford too to balance the load between the two trains better. With both suggestions together maybe you could manage 7.5 tph, which is what the weekend demand roughly is. 3. Obviously, run the M all weekend. Add frequency to the G even if demand doesn't require it, just to get some people off the L. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 09:09:31 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 08:05:51 2019. I'm dislike the idea of a 15-month full shutdown either, and agree that the original plan could have been poorly executed as well (but I was in favor of it as being less painful than the 3-year alternative presented at the same time). But, to non-civil-engineers (such as myself) who can't easily judge the alternatives on technical merits, the suspicion comes from the appearance that Cuomo is once again overruling the MTA for political, not technical, reasons. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 09:10:08 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Thu Jan 3 21:10:40 2019. How is 15 months of complete shutdown preferable to 15-20 months of partial night and weekend shutdowns?I think a lot of people aren't convinced that the latter is feasible, just because Cuomo says so. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 09:13:54 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 08:28:03 2019. To point #3 - given that this plan is for nights and weekends, I wonder if there's a possibility to extend Gs further into Queens to allow connections at Queens Plaza. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 09:15:15 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 09:09:31 2019. Should read "I dislike". Not enough coffee yet today :) |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 09:31:27 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 09:13:54 2019. Many people have said that on weekends you can't even send the M to Queens because of all the GOs there. |
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Re: Fate Of The R32s? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 4 09:47:38 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 07:08:50 2019. IIRC they had dual boards in those days. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 4 09:49:37 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 07:30:28 2019. From a previous message:" Similarly, the Port Authority asked the MTA to fully shut down the 1 train through WTC a few years back, for 18 months, to facilitate building new WTC. The MTA only agreed to weekend/night closures. It made the WTC job slower and costlier- but MTA wanted its peak hour customers to have service. And I'm pretty sure that the southern end of the 1 gets less ridership than the L between Bedford and 8th Ave. So I'd think the MTA wouldn't really resist internally the new plan." There a few other issues with the #1 closure that you spoke of. For example, just where does the #1 "go" when it is un-able to terminate south of Chambers Street? I remember those very tall beams of light after towers fell, the entire year that #1 and #2 trains were sent to/from the Bronx, Manhattan and Brooklyn - with the #1 taking over for the #3 line. I remember those many weekends with the switching moves with #1 trains ending at 14th Street-Seventh Avenue, while #2 and #3 served all local stations south of 34th Street. The shuttle buses taken between Chambers Street and South Ferry were an ordeal. There is also the "Manhattan Centric" point of view - The L-train was NOT BEING SHUT DOWN - only the portion in Manhattan. Mike |
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Re: Fate Of The R32s? |
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Posted by Bzuck on Fri Jan 4 09:51:58 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 4 09:47:38 2019. The R32’s Have conductor controls at both ends of the car. The R42’s only have them on then”A” end. Therefore on an 8 car train of R42’s the conductor can’t be in the middle. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 09:53:53 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 4 09:49:37 2019. There is also the "Manhattan Centric" point of view - The L-train was NOT BEING SHUT DOWN - only the portion in Manhattan.Huh? The overwhelming use of the L train is for interborough traffic. Shutting down the L "only" in Manhattan affects Brooklyn residents far more than it affects Manhattan residents. The nearest station to where I live is 3rd Ave on the L. Yet I would be affected far less by the L shutdown than someone who lives near an L station in Brooklyn and works in Manhattan. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 4 09:59:54 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by Bzuck on Fri Jan 4 09:51:58 2019. I would have thought the GOH dealt with that... |
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(Press conference) Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 4 10:00:09 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. Governor Cuomo Convenes Expert Panel to Present Recommendations For L Train Tunnel Project |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Fri Jan 4 10:03:49 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. There was so much other work to be done with the closure: Avenue A and Bedford Ave station work, namely. I wonder how this will impact that; I anticipate those projects will extend past the tunnel work now. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 4 10:12:23 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jan 4 07:43:53 2019. However, the method proposed by Cuomo doesn't get rid of the old cables, meaning that there will be less tunnel space in the future. In other words, he's just kicking the can down the road, whereas the MTA plan cleans it up completely. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 10:17:42 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by jasonnyc on Fri Jan 4 10:03:49 2019. Why?Bedford Ave station was going to remain open in any case. And most of the Ave A work is not at platform level. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 10:32:59 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 09:31:27 2019. Yeah but almost none of that involves Queens Plaza station. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 10:37:04 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 08:28:03 2019. This is a pretty good idea. Running an express immediately followed by a local would also help balance out trains past Broadway Jct (they'd have evened out by then). Put maps on the platform indicating it.This is also helped by CBTC - the need to slow to 15 before exiting a station is not necessary as it isn't using the old signal system. They can go through stations at full speed. They should also do this inbound. Trains would leave Canarsie evenly spaced, and the express (which would be the 2nd train) would catch up to the local right at Lorimer. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 4 10:39:34 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 09:13:54 2019. NO there is NOT |
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Re: Fate Of The R32s? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jan 4 10:44:55 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 4 09:59:54 2019. There was never a burning need to invest millions of dollars just to adjust the C/R operating position by what amounts to less than 60'. There was never a significant safety issue involved nor would the change improve operation. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 4 11:02:33 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 08:28:03 2019. 1. Skip 1st and 3rd Aves when single tracking. 1 Ave is important on weekdays but less so on weekends. I'd say skip Bedford too because it's a short walk from Lorimer, but that would overload the platforms at Lorimer. Maybe the time from USQ to Lorimer could be reduced to 6 min.According to yesterday morning's rush hour real time feed, some actual travel times between the stations were 15 seconds less than scheduled. This would reduce turnaround time to 14 minutes. Skipping a station would reduce time by 15 to 30 seconds for each station. The 15 seconds is dwell time and the other 15 seconds comes from braking/acceleration time. However, the crossover switch position negates any braking/acceleration time gain at 3rd and Bedford Aves. This would account for 30 sec @ 1 Ave and 15 sec each at 3 & Bedford Aves. These savings could reduce the turnaround time to 12 minutes and no margin. The distance between Union and Wythe Aves along N 8th St is about 3600 feet.It also involves crossing under the BQE at Metropolitan Ave. That's already been identified as a dangerous intersection. (If 3600 ft is a "short walk", I'd advocate abandoning the SAS.) 2. Run 2 trains in a row in the same direction... maybe you could manage 7.5 tph I did mention what I proposed was the most wasteful way possible. The service level depends on headways as well as the turnaround time. I proposed running 6 trains in a row @ 90 second headways a few years ago. That would have provided 12 tph. A more modest service level would permit fewer trains in a row and longer headways. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 11:03:04 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 4 09:49:37 2019. There is also the "Manhattan Centric" point of view - The L-train was NOT BEING SHUT DOWN - only the portion in Manhattan.That's like saying closing Penn Station is a Manhattan Centric view. After all it's just one station, the LIRR/NJT would not be shut down, only the "portion in Manhattan". Some stations are more important than others... |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Jan 4 11:33:41 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 4 06:37:58 2019. No one in New Jersey or Connecticut cares about the L train! For that matter, New Yorkers who live in Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Binghamton, Plattsburgh or Poughkeepsie don’t care about the L train either! It will NOT affect how they choose a nominee for the Democratic candidate for President. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 4 11:45:35 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Jan 4 11:33:41 2019. Speculation here. If his method of fixing the tunnels happens to work out. He'll boast that "If I can do this for NYC, look at what I can accomplish for America" He's using this tunnel situation as an attempt to impress the rest of the country of his ability to get things done. However, if his plan does not work out, his political life is history. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 12:05:50 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 10:32:59 2019. NYCT NEVER turns trains at Queens Plaza on a regular basis. I don't know why not, but there very possibly could be a real reason. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 12:40:03 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 09:10:08 2019. Good post. Now all of a sudden, after months (years) of studies. Now all of a sudden they can do this right with just weekends and nights, in the same timeframe?? |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Jan 4 12:43:26 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 3 17:19:27 2019. This should take him all the way up to 7th place in Iowa |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 4 12:46:43 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 4 01:04:45 2019. The point, I would guess, is the new intallation can be done first, then the failing duct bank/old wiring removed at a more leisurely pace. Caveat. I have not read any more detailed description than what has been posted here. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 12:49:06 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 4 09:49:37 2019. Lol!!Most of those using the L are using it for Manhattan |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Jan 4 12:50:14 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 07:07:06 2019. No one outside of North Brooklyn cares. It's another chapter in the pissing contest with the mayor, nothing more. Everyone but Cuomo knows that he is not a viable presidential candidate. He's reached his ceiling. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Jan 4 12:55:36 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by zac on Thu Jan 3 22:41:50 2019. Like most of our local sports franchises, the MTA rots from the head down. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 4 13:00:21 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 08:02:38 2019. Valid fears. That said I will confess that my reaction,before I understood the new plan, was negative.Side note, a long time subway watcher has noted that recent electrical/signal glitches have been in areas supposedly rewired rather than older segments--he believes the rehabwork has been sub par. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 13:29:29 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by sloth on Fri Jan 4 12:50:14 2019. Let him run. Another one that will usher in another 4 years of Trump. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 13:29:53 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by sloth on Fri Jan 4 12:55:36 2019. Good analogy. Aside from Yankees. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jan 4 13:46:15 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 4 10:12:23 2019. However, the method proposed by Cuomo doesn't get rid of the old cables, meaning that there will be less tunnel space in the future. In other words, he's just kicking the can down the road, whereas the MTA plan cleans it up completely.The removal and replacement of the duct bank / walkway can be done piece meal without having to close the tunnels for an extended duration of time. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Jan 4 13:53:03 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 3 18:43:24 2019. OK, so the change makes sense. Considering that those coatings have been around for decades, why wasn't wall hanging the first choice? |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 14:06:40 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by K. Trout on Fri Jan 4 09:15:15 2019. No prob!! Ad as another non-civil engineer, yes, it does have the look, at least somewhat, of politics pulling rank on professionalism.But Prince Andrew does seem to have the backing of some good minds on this... |
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Re: Fate Of The R32s? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 4 14:07:53 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by Bzuck on Fri Jan 4 09:51:58 2019. Got it- thanks!! |
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Re: Fate Of The R32s? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 4 14:46:35 2019, in response to Fate Of The R32s?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jan 3 21:10:20 2019. No, but possibly the R42s... |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by zac on Fri Jan 4 15:58:18 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 08:28:03 2019. You could possibly skip 3rd as it is pretty close to USQ or 1st, but 1st is a very busy station, with Stuy town, alphabet city, the LES, public housing, and really the only stop on the far east side. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 16:02:32 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 07:07:06 2019. In Cuomo's mind, it sets him up a problem-solver. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 16:03:09 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 07:07:06 2019. In Cuomo's mind, it sets him up as a problem-solver. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 16:03:21 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 07:07:06 2019. In Cuomo's mind, it sets him up a problem-solver. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 16:03:48 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 4 11:45:35 2019. Duh. Of course. |
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