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Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019 I suck at linking, copy and paste the stuff below.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/nyregion/l-train-shutdown.html What an idiot |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jan 3 13:04:46 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. Ha! You beat me to it. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 3 13:15:40 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. L-train shut-down modified |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 13:18:54 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. Under a new plan unveiled by Mr. Cuomo the work would be done on nights and weekends.Um, like 250 weekends? Or 500? |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:20:59 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 3 13:15:40 2019. Thanks, Subchat coding is still a mystery to me. |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:21:09 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 13:18:54 2019. 5000 |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Jan 3 13:31:35 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:20:59 2019. It's HTML. Pure and simple. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 3 14:28:36 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 13:18:54 2019. Ridiculous.Politics. Sounds great now, but the pain would have been worth it. Stupid Stupid. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 3 14:29:15 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. I'm not surprised one bit by this:Cuomo probably heard from a lot of people fearful that a total shutdown of the 14th Street line would cause massive traffic problems on many blocks north and south of 14th Street and on the avenues due to cars that come in from New Jersey where such drivers won't use public transportation because: They can't, either because there is none where they live and even a park-and-ride is too much OR In some cases don't want to deal with riff-raff on public transportation OR in some cases even think if their employer knew they used public transportation would look down on them and use it against them. That to me may have been given to Cuomo as reasons by such "hipsters," especially if they have real concerns of increased car traffic causing unintended consequences for them. Many of them likely demanded that the 1st-8th Avenue portion of the (L) remain running at all times even if both tunnels were shut down. This suggests Cuomo may be looking for their votes as well as votes in New Jersey and Connecticut in the 2020 primaries if he does decide to run for President as this may be a precursor to that. I would now re-visit my version where both tunnels are shut as originally planned, BUT with eight sets of four-car trains in use between 1st and 8th Avenue on the and every 1-2 months opening up one of the tunnels long enough to swap out cars for normal maintenance (also why I would have a max of three sets in use at any one time). I would also add a new set of switches just east of 1st Avenue to allow for greater flexibility of such. That might be a compromise Cuomo and the hipsters can accept. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jan 3 14:29:42 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:21:09 2019. When the Bay Ridge & Astoria stations were (foolishly) shut down for 6 months, I never saw work being performed 24/7 at them. Usually was limited to the daytime hours, despite causing 24/7 massive inconvenience so that passengers could get the miracles of "standing" benches, Wi-Fi charging stations, and pretty stations.Guess a similar principle holds here. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jan 3 14:30:45 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 3 14:28:36 2019. stupid, but calculated to please now for short term gain. not very different from quarterly results driven mgmt behavior. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jan 3 14:35:48 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 3 14:29:15 2019. not sure how much flat space east of A before the downgrade to the river crossing. retaining some shuttle service in Manhattanwould certainly be nice--the feasibility is questionable. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 3 14:38:35 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jan 3 14:30:45 2019. More like as I noted because because Cuomo is likely looking to a Presidential run and likely in his mind needs those votes in order to win primaries in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut in 2020 if he does decide to run then. It may all be about that race, especially now that Mitt Romney looks like he may "primary" Trump on the GOP side then. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jan 3 14:54:33 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 3 14:38:35 2019. not doubting you at all. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 3 14:54:34 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jan 3 14:29:42 2019. Those were just single stations. And it doesn't mean work has to be done 24/7.....if things are ripped apart, service can't run even if they aren't working on it constantly. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jan 3 14:57:08 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jan 3 14:35:48 2019. none. It's not possible or else they would have though about that. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 3 15:11:26 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by The Silence on Thu Jan 3 14:57:08 2019. Politically, having a shuttle between 1st-8th Avenues might be the only way to prevent what Cuomo wants to appease certain voters he thinks he needs for a 2020 Presidential run with this version and to shut down both tunnels as originally planned. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Jan 3 15:12:46 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. This was probably the plan all along to make Cuomo look like a hero. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Thu Jan 3 15:16:18 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Jan 3 15:12:46 2019. I wonder if the C train will still run the R46 cars & the G train finally getting longer trains of the 4 car 60 ft set of 8 cars now running on the G train instead of only the 4 car 75 ft cars.Also, what happens to the R32 subway cars, will they all be retired or will some be replaced. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Jan 3 15:19:41 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. CUOMO IS A JACKASS.chud1. :)..... |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 15:23:31 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. I think they added to the article - I didn't see this before.Under a new plan unveiled by Mr. Cuomo, workers would use a different design to repair the tunnel with work being done on nights and weekends. He said not fully closing the L train would be a “phenomenal benefit to the people of New York City.’’ Transit officials said the plan could be completed in about the same amount of time as a full shut down. Huh? Different design? Same amount of time? Explanations please. Either this is a fake or the engineers who designed the prior repair plan are totally incompetent. I suspect the former. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:24:20 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. All that prep work for nothing. Sheesh. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:26:11 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Chicago44 on Thu Jan 3 15:16:18 2019. Doubt that about the G. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:27:17 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 15:23:31 2019. Its some European design strategy that has never been tried here. Let's see if it all comes crashing down when executed. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:28:12 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. The MTA Board should all resign in protest to preserve their self respect. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Thu Jan 3 15:28:43 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jan 3 14:29:42 2019. Those are outdoor station. Working at night requires bright lights and loud noises during hours residents are trying to sleep. Not practical. Complaints would be sky high.I do agree closing both directions of stations isn't a great idea. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Jan 3 15:32:40 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 15:23:31 2019. See here and, even better, here. Scroll down. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:48:23 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. So many unanswered questions - When will the new plan start? Does a new EIS - or amendment - have to be done? That would gum up the works. How do you cancel existing contracts? I predict massive lawsuits from the contractors. What about the ferry operators who stood to benefit? Will the 14th St. bus lanes still be modified? Will the improvements to stations and other infrastructure in anticipation of the shutdown be completed anyway? Will the G still get full-length trains? Doubtful, IMO. And on and on. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 15:51:37 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:48:23 2019. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a year to straighten out the paperwork. :( |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Jan 3 16:02:02 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 15:23:31 2019. From the Times article: "A key provision of the alternative plan eliminates the need to replace major portions of the bench wall, which runs along the side of the tunnel and houses electrical cables. The cables were corroded because of damage from Sandy, Mr. Cuomo said."Instead, using what engineers referred to as a “racking system,” new cables would be mounted on the side of one wall and wrapped in protective material. A new power and control system would be installed and the old cables housed the bench wall would no longer be needed." The articles to which Kevin linked provide more detail. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Jan 3 16:06:26 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:48:23 2019. The report I just saw on NY1 made it sound as though they (Cuomo/MTA) expect the project to start in April. They plan to renegotiate the current $400 million contract and expect to save money as the work will be less extensive and less costly. Having not seen the existing contracts, I don't know if there is a provision to allow the renegotiation for a change of work/scope. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:07:12 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Jan 3 16:02:02 2019. How can they know, after 2 weeks, that any of this is feasible? |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo - Official MTA Release |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:13:14 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. MTA Announces L Train Shutdown Averted |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jan 3 16:13:58 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Jan 3 16:02:02 2019. …but the problem is the bench wall is collapsing... |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Jan 3 16:15:53 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:07:12 2019. If I had been advising the governor, I would have suggested that nothing be announced until we know for certain that it is feasible and that the contractor or a replacement can do it and we have concluded all necessary negotiations with the contractor(s). Perhaps this has been done or perhaps they went public as soon as a decision was made for fear that delay working out the details would be subject to leaks. This will be embarrassing if it blows up in their faces, but, the governor did reiterate that he does not run the MTA. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:16:31 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by The Silence on Thu Jan 3 16:13:58 2019. That is addressed. Reinforce it where you can, demolish it where you can't and replace with a walkway. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:17:07 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Jan 3 16:15:53 2019. Of course he doesn't - LOL. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:18:40 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Jan 3 16:15:53 2019. Yes, it will be funny if in a month or so, the contractors advise them that none of this is doable, or if it is, at an unacceptable cost. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 3 16:33:49 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. Good for him. The shut down was pretty much a failure of imagination about how things are done. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 3 16:40:27 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:17:07 2019. The Governor appoints the Board of the MTA, even those appointees who serve on the recommendation of others are legally appointed by the Governor. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 16:45:13 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 3 16:33:49 2019. That's fine as long as the new imaginative approach actually works. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 3 16:51:40 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 3 16:45:13 2019. The engineering advisory group seems to be made up of the type of people that wouldn't need to go out on a limb to try and make someone look good to advance their standing.They are all pretty much at the top of their profession. Lots of things other systems do that we have avoided because we always want to do what we always did. Sometimes that's not a bad thing, but on the other hand when someone else has a better or more efficient way to do something, we can't always look for excuses why we should be 100 years behind. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:59:36 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 3 16:40:27 2019. Yes, I know. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Jan 3 17:16:57 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 16:59:36 2019. It just would have been nice to do all of this about 3 years ago. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 3 17:19:27 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 3 15:48:23 2019. Excellent post! In addition, this tells me that hes' going to run for president in 2020. If any of his proposals don't work & to correct any of his failed pipe dream costs more $$$ than originally projected & contracted out for, he should BE run...right out of Albany. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 3 17:48:27 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 3 17:19:27 2019. That is what this likely is.Some think Cuomo's donors demanded this. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jan 3 18:22:42 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019. So can someone tell me if the net effect in to F the tunnel 10 years down the road? If stapleing the cables to the tunnel wall are such great ideas, why was that not done originally? If the compromised bench wall doesn't need to be replaced, why was it installed at all? Somehow, I don't think that governor camera-hog has the interests of the state in mind, only his own. |
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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 3 18:26:00 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jan 3 18:22:42 2019. Politicians make political decisions while managers make managerial decisions. Cuomo can throw money at the problem to support his decision. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 3 18:36:05 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Jan 3 15:12:46 2019. A sure sign he is running for POTUS. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 3 18:43:24 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jan 3 18:22:42 2019. Low smoke and fire resistant coatings were not available when these tunnels were built. That's the way they were always built. It doesn't mean that's the way they should or would be today. Railroads put up poles and rand copper cables for signals, today they bury fiber optic cable wherever possible. We don't have to do things the same way they have been done all along when a better way is developed. Change comes slowly though, nobody wants to be first, and there is great comfort in doing what you are familiar with. |
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