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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 4 16:18:31 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 09:53:53 2019.

From a previous message:

"The overwhelming use of the L train is for inte-rborough traffic. Shutting down the L "only" in Manhattan affects Brooklyn residents far more than it affects Manhattan residents."

The FULL L-Line WAS NOT BEING SHUT DOWN! You know that, and most everyone on this transit forum knows. The vast public did not!

Yes, the Brooklyn portion of the L-line would remain running while the tunnel repair work was going on! Talk about not being able to communicate a message!

Yes, only the Manhattan portion of the L-line would close! Yes, 225,000 daily riders affected, with another 55,000 on the Manhattan only portion, and another 75,000 who only ride within the Brooklyn portion. Yep, those are the facts.

Now let's look at the headlines - even on this forum, "Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo!" There were and are plenty of screaming headlines such as this one!

The fact that Brooklyn riders of the L-line had three separate places to transfer to other subway lines with either direct routes to/from Manhattan or transfers to other trains with direct routes to/from Manhattan, that alternative bus routes - ferries - and other transit was in the works - ideas that had been worked upon and re-fined.

The fact that every Brooklyn station (from Bedford Avenue to Wilson Avenue) of the L-train has an already operating direct bus line to a nearby J/M/Z elevated station - somehow does not get conveyed.

In the case of Manhattan only riders of the L-line - there were the current 14th Street local city buses, plus a new planned SBS bus route for 14th Street, as well as improvements to bus paths, changes in service deliveries, etc. Even some transit advocates wanted to completely re-design portions of 14th Street as a pedestrian only corridor with all cars/trucks/buses banned at all times.

In addition there was the fact that a caravan of buses were to be deployed to ferry L-line riders across the Williamsburg Bridge to several points and subway stations in Manhattan. Some transit activists even wanted to ban all single occupancy cars from the bridge during the rush hours! As well as proposals to enhance bike usage - every body's pet project was getting lumped in.

Months of community board meetings and public comment sessions devoted to discussing the issues took place over the past 3-4 years in advance of this new development. The good will and promises of those efforts now squandered it is only "un-important folks" that seem to use the subways on the weekends.

The fact that those months of terrible weekends and late night closures that Brooklyn L-train riders had to endure for years on end - during the installation of CBTC - somehow does not get remembered as "everyone" praises the closures limited to weekends and late nights.

Folks seem to forget that the MTA had to deal with and clear out NINE (9) OTHER SUBWAY TUNNELS with a mixture of months long subway tunnel closures (G Train), a 14-month closure of the R-train Montague Street Tunnel, and regular weekend long and nightly closures of subway tunnels for the #2/3, #4/5, #7, A/C, F, E/M, N/R for several months at a time. Folks seem to forget that some subway stations, subway facilities and portions of subway routes had to be completely re-constructed due to damage from Hurricane Sandy.

Now all we get are screaming headlines about the L-train, as if no one else suffered due to Hurricane Sandy, or had to have repair work done.

There were plenty of screaming headlines such as this one - but not much for regular riders (except the MTA website) to look at that explained the mitigation measures that were going to be put in place.

From alternative newspapers (both print and online) as usual focused upon the screaming headlines - bothering ever to explain the mitigation measures that were going being put in place.

So what happened as everyone is screaming, "The sky is falling, the L-train is closing!!" - other folks start to get scared, and it is time to "do something!!" And that is what happened.

Mike



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Ben Kabak's take - Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 16:19:54 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019.

Second Avenue Sagas

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 16:23:06 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 12:40:03 2019.

It's possible the original 15 months was inflated with expectation of an early completion, while this is guaranteed to take at least 15 months.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 16:29:09 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jan 4 13:46:15 2019.

I have a feeling we'll get the same situation there is in the Hudson tunnels, with random chunks of concrete and conduit falling...

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Re: Fate Of The R32s?

Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 4 16:34:54 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by Bzuck on Fri Jan 4 09:51:58 2019.

The C/R controls are at the #2 end of the car. At the time of GOH, there was no requirement that there be a board for anything less than a maximum length train so that at 600 ft long stations, a C/R board would not be required for an 8 car train the way it would be for 480 ft long statins as found on the bMT Eastern. It was expected that on less than a maximum length train, the C/R would be able to observe that the entire train was berthed at the platform without a board.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 4 16:45:27 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 12:05:50 2019.

They used to turn Gs there overnight.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 16:56:23 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 4 16:45:27 2019.

Well I did use the present tense. :)

Do you know what has changed?



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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 17:32:27 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 16:56:23 2019.

I can think of four things:
(1) Court Sq wasn't an option for most of those years, it was Queens Plaza or 71/Continental.
(2) The 63st Connector opened, and with it all the signalling was redone, along with removing the southbound connection from D3 to D5. As far as I can tell none of this should have had any effect on turning trains.
(3) It's all controlled by a master tower nowadays.
(4) They've renovated Queens Plaza station, perhaps they removed the crew rest area in the process.

None of this seems like an insurmountable obstacle. TBH I bet the true reason they don't do it any more is:
(5) They want people to forget that track connection exists, so that no one tries to put the G on Queens Blvd again.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 4 17:35:04 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 07:07:06 2019.

It's about winning a primary, and the L train route has dense population. Any one thing alone is insignificant, but then now he has an item to add to his list of things talked about for years, but he pulled the trigger and got done, and each component aggregates to a supportive constituency:

Tappan Zee
3rd Main Line track without condemnations
L train savior

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by FtgreeneG on Fri Jan 4 17:40:15 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 16:56:23 2019.

They turn trains there every once in while. They turn Work Trains there when needed so they CAN still do it. It's possible they don't like doing it bc it has to cross in front of the Express tracks potentially delaying the E line.

During wkend GO's where the E, F and R all run lcl I don't know why they don't turn the R's at Queen's Plaza. I assume there's facilities. Has to be a crew room around there somewhere since G's used to terminate there, I know for a fact the tower still there for the Dispatcher...

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 4 17:40:29 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 4 03:35:07 2019.

And of course Triplexes off the scrappers in 1965 while Jamaica R-1's fell apart and Unrebuilt White-lined Standards had to go back into service (to ENY).

The Multis I think were gone in 1958 or 61 (I forgot), but I'm surprised they do not keep 4 or 5 sets around for the Franklin and Culver Shuttles. The R11's were a lot of trouble.


Anything to eradicate BMT innovations.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 17:45:04 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 4 17:35:04 2019.

The 3rd track is the only impressive one (even the flawed Mineola configuration can be fixed at a later time). The Tappan Zee would have been replaced eventually.

If he wanted another impressive win it would be one of:
-Getting construction on SAS Phase 2 and 3 going concurrently rather than consecutively, and "right now"
-Getting Gateway funding (which would prove he cares about things outside of NY, as that is more of a pressing need to NJ residents than NY residents)
-Upstate NY Higher Speed Rail (lots of people want faster rail travel, getting it done in his state would make it seem like he could get it done on a national scale).

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 4 18:11:28 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 3 23:00:16 2019.

Bless your heart!

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 4 18:12:26 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 13:29:29 2019.

#@!$ YOU!

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 4 18:33:40 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 17:45:04 2019.

as soon as the patronage canbe arranged...

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Re: Ben Kabak's take - Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 18:38:14 2019, in response to Ben Kabak's take - Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 16:19:54 2019.

Good writeup, thanks for posting!

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 18:57:18 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 4 18:12:26 2019.

I'm not the one advocating him to run

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jan 4 20:29:00 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 16:29:09 2019.

I have a feeling we'll get the same situation there is in the Hudson tunnels, with random chunks of concrete and conduit falling...

The existing damaged conduits are below car floor level. None of the new cable trays will be above the car roof.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:11 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 17:32:27 2019.

I think it's (6) They don't want the disruption of a train crossing the whole mainline and tying up both express and local service.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:13 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by FtgreeneG on Fri Jan 4 17:40:15 2019.

During wkend GO's where the E, F and R all run lcl I don't know why they don't turn the R's at Queen's Plaza.

There were a couple weekends about a year and a half ago where the E and F were local and terminated at Continental while R trains terminated at Queens Plaza. Presumably, with Continental unable to relay three lines, they bit the bullet and used Queens Plaza as a terminal.

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Odds Of An R42 Running This Weekend?

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:15 2019, in response to Re: Fate Of The R32s?, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 4 14:46:35 2019.

I can confirm at least 3 sets of R42s were running this PM rush. What are my odds of catching one this weekend?

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:17 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 4 16:18:31 2019.

The 2/3, 4/5, and 7 saw only weekend closures; not 24/7.

The E/M was closed only for the week between Christmas and New Years when ridership was low; other than that, it was nights and weekends only.

The N/R was the only 24/7 shutdown that lasted for months, and that tunnel had multiple convenient alternate routes.

Given the ridership on the L and the sheer lack of convenient alternatives (no, a bus to an already-packed M train is not convenient; no, a shuttle bus over the Williamsburg is not convenient, no a connection via the G that diverts to LIC or downtown Brooklyn to connect with an already-packed train into Manhattan is not convenient), the L shutdown was poised to be far more disruptive than any of the ones you mentioned.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:20 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 08:28:03 2019.

I'd say skip Bedford too

When single-tracking is in effect, they run a shuttle from Bedford to Union Square.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:22 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 09:10:08 2019.

It's not just Cuomo who says so. He's just taking credit for what his team of engineers came up withó though if this blows up in his face, you can bet it'll have been their idea all along.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jan 4 21:32:23 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:11 2019.

That is probably the most important reason. Big difference too between overnights and other times. They really should have added a lower level to Queens Plaza for turning the G while they were connecting 63 St. The lower level tracks could have continued into the F connection so that empty G trains could get back to the yard easily.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 21:40:16 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:17 2019.

The Cuomo plan is wonderful if it works.

But if it works, why couldn't NYCT people have thought of it on their own?



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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Jan 4 21:45:21 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 21:40:16 2019.

And why didnít they propose it sooner?

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 21:49:19 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:20 2019.

You mean two sections, Canarsie-Bedford and Bedford-USQ?

That makes sense. It has the advantage of keeping the single track piece short and maximizing schedule reliability.


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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 21:54:45 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Jan 4 21:45:21 2019.

Because they didn't think of it. Cuomo's outside experts thought of it.


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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 4 21:56:57 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 21:54:45 2019.

I donít trust them. Cuomo is full of shit. Remember when he closed the subway for no reason during a snowstorm?

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 22:10:26 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 4 21:56:57 2019.

Yep. That's the trouble. There won't be any real way to be sure that the new plan is good unless everything is still in fine shape 20 years from now. But there's no certainty the new plan is bad.




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Re: Odds Of An R42 Running This Weekend?

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 4 22:24:46 2019, in response to Odds Of An R42 Running This Weekend?, posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:15 2019.

There was two sets running on Christmas day, and it was an Sunday schedule that day.


So it's an decent chance to find one.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jan 4 23:32:23 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:22 2019.

Yes, but he'll have to take the heat for listening to them & not sticking with the original plan.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by VictorM on Sat Jan 5 00:02:20 2019, in response to Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 3 13:03:20 2019.

I don't think having high voltage/high amperage power cables a few inches outside subway car windows is a good idea. Suppose a train derails and scrapes against the rack?

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:01:15 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by sloth on Fri Jan 4 12:43:26 2019.

This has little to do with Iowa.

This is all about the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut primaries. THAT's where this comes into play.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:17:27 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 4 21:56:57 2019.

And he did that because he was fearful someone at the MTA would go rogue and order subways be run where they were not supposed to, have a breakdown similar to the (A) in the 2010 blizzard, and have rival candidates use that in advertising against him if he ran for President, which he was mulling for 2016. Instead, he PO'ed Wall Street on a day the Dow lost 275 points and it was widely blamed on the shutdown as too many people could not get to their desks to help fix that (David Faber, highly respected in Wall Street circles did a massive rant on it on CNBC that he would have been told not to if others didn't feel that way).

I'm sure some within the DNC privately blame Cuomo's shutdown for the GOP having complete control of all branches of Governement during Trump's first years as President as some on Wall Street as I remember waited almost two full years to get revenge on Cuomo for that shutdown by funding GOP candidates in swing states they otherwise would not have to get back at Cuomo for that 2015 shutdown. Some on Wall Street were that PO'ed and knew they could not legally do anything about it immediately, so they waited for over a year until they could.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 5 02:24:51 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:11 2019.

It doesn't tie up anything. We're talking weekends, where there's only the E (every 8 mins) and R (every 10 mins), and the only thing that would be delayed is possibly a Queensbound R. More likely, they would just hold the G just outside until the R passed, take their sweet time while letting an E pass, go in to the pocket, hang out there until the coast is clear, then pull in on whichever track doesn't have a train coming in for the next 5 minutes to do crew change and whatnot, then back to the crosstown.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:25:07 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by sloth on Fri Jan 4 12:50:14 2019.

Again:

This has ZERO to do with outside the New York metro area. This specifically has to do with the New York primary and to a lesser extent New Jersey and Connecticut and an even lesser extent Pennsylvania, which are all important to Cuomo if he's going to win. Outside of those states, this doesn't matter.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:25:51 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 5 02:24:51 2019.

That would make perfect sense.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:31:31 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 4 18:57:18 2019.

No one is advocating for Cuomo to run:

Trump may have to deal with primary challenges anyway from Mitt Romney and John Kasich and there could be more. If that happens, Trump might not even get out of the Primaries as I can see Romney actually taking the nomination if he did "primary" Trump.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:34:17 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Jan 4 11:33:41 2019.

People who drive from New Jersey would have cared if they suddenly had their commute times double if not more because of 14th Street being closed to all traffic other than buses.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by K. Trout on Sat Jan 5 02:45:46 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 4 10:32:59 2019.

I never said to turn at Queens Plaza :) Just that it would be the place to make Manhattan-bound connections. Presumably the G would run to 71/Continental in this case as it's much more operationally efficient for turning trains than the single pocket at Queens Plaza.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Sat Jan 5 02:55:05 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 21:49:19 2019.

Correct. And the Bedford - USQ section skips 3rd Avenue.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Sat Jan 5 02:57:43 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:31:31 2019.

Cuomo is advocating for Cuomo to run. Everyone else would prefer that he fuck off.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Sat Jan 5 03:01:51 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 5 02:25:07 2019.

To the extent that Cuomo thinks his fake infrastructure cred will win him a presidential nomination despite being utterly unfit for the job, he will want to play it up in every state. There's no way he'd confine his greatest "achievement" to the primary in the state where it was made.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Nilet on Sat Jan 5 03:04:34 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 4 21:19:13 2019.

Actually, come to think of it, I'm pretty sure with no through service past Continental, they'd be able to relay three lines there since trains on the local track and trains on the express track can relay independently.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jan 5 08:09:31 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 22:10:26 2019.

I still don't like his plan. I'd rather the tunnel gets fixed completely, as well as the related stations, than leave portions unfixed until something happens later, then you have to stop train traffic again. Has they even tried to find out if the fibrous epoxy will even work to patch up the bench wall?

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by ntrainride on Sat Jan 5 08:16:42 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Nilet on Sat Jan 5 02:57:43 2019.

he should only worry about what goes on between buffalo and montauk point. without new york city and suburbs the "empire state" is, like, nebraska.

the governor should keep his pie hole shut and only think about the state of new york.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jan 5 08:48:56 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 4 21:40:16 2019.

why couldn't NYCT people have thought of it on their own?

That is a very good question. I can think of several uncomplimentary reasons. This is but one of several questionable decisions. There needs to be a thorough analysis of the MTA's decision making process with the goal of insuring that omissions and mistakes are not repeated.

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Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo

Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 5 09:33:48 2019, in response to Re: Full Shutdown of L Train to Be Halted by Cuomo, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jan 5 08:48:56 2019.

I can think of several uncomplimentary reasons.

So can I, and they may be correct. Alternatively, maybe the reason is that the Cuomo plan doesn't actually work.



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