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VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:00:40 2018 Seen below are various subway clips of a subway swap and reroutes that were taken in the month of February. This features R46 (C) Trains, (D) Trains via 8th Ave, (E) Trains via the (F) Line-Final Take, and lastly, (1) Trains via Lenox Ave (3) Line. Please enjoy and sub to the Hub today.R46 (C) Train-(I would've caught this back in December when the fleet swap started, but I was going through personal issues/problems at the time). (D) Trains via 8th Ave @ Canal Street + Terminus action @ WTC (E) Trains via (F) Line (Final Take) (1) Trains via Lenox Ave (3) Line |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 11:02:46 2018, in response to VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:00:40 2018. What is the point of R46's on the C and R32's on the A ? - is it to get the R32 AC equipment outside ? |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:03:12 2018, in response to VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:00:40 2018. (E) Trains via the IND 6th Avenue/63rd Street (F) Line Action |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:10:13 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 11:02:46 2018. R46s for the C is for capacity expansion. The MTA is making this a permanent thing now. This also benefits C train riders for having 600" cars. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 13:12:39 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:10:13 2018. I understand that, but why not 10 car R32's on the C rather than the A ? |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 3 16:06:10 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 13:12:39 2018. Confusing to crews if some R32's on the C are 10 cars and others are 8. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:18:20 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:10:13 2018. A permanent thing, with hundreds of R179's in 4 car sets on the way? |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 3 18:59:36 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 3 16:06:10 2018. Any crews that can’t figure how many cars they have shouldn’t even be station cleaners let alone T/Os or C/Rs. Back in the pre Chrystie days of the IND the CC operated 10 car trains in the peak and 8 car trains in the shoulders. BBs operated 8 cars in the peak and 6 cars in the shoulder. What would these crew do if there were only one type of subway car on the entire system? Actually, a few years ago there was a similar swap between R-46s on the A and R-32s on the C with the r32s trains on the c being in 8 car consists and there was no problem. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 3 19:01:23 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:18:20 2018. I believe that the R-179 contract has been modified to provide more 5 car sets than originally planned at no additional expense due to Bombardier’s late deliveries. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:09:18 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 3 18:59:36 2018. They seem to have to dumb down the system.On the J line, done't they have conductor boards and positions on the R32 identical to the R42, even though it can be at the 4/4 position like an NTT ? |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:12:31 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 3 19:01:23 2018. Maybe with the C going to 600', they don't need as many 480' NTT trains once the SMEE's are gone. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 01:48:39 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:09:18 2018. Correct. When I became a C/R such stupidity would never be tolerated. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 01:49:55 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:12:31 2018. Correct. Once the C goes to 600ft, the only place 8 X 60 ft trains will be needed will be the BMT Eastern. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Mar 4 09:10:57 2018, in response to VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Transportation Hub on Sat Mar 3 11:00:40 2018. 7th Av-Lenox Local returns!! |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 4 10:04:20 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:12:31 2018. I missed that bit of news. Makes sense, the C has needed a full length train for the last decade or so.According to Wikipedia, there will be 24 5 car sets, allowing 12 ten-car trains. Doesn't seem like enough, though. The 49 4 car sets still seems excessive. I could see a scenario where the R68's on the G are replaced with the R179's and running 480' trains when the line isn't being run as OPTO. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 12:02:34 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 3 18:59:36 2018. I didn't say it was the right thing to do, I was just saying what their thought process is and how things are done today You and I know how much the place has been dumbed down over the years and how crews get into trouble for mistakes due to everybody having cell phones, passengers hating transit and all of the employees thereby recording mistakes. In my time, we made mistakes too, indeed fewer, but people didn't have documentation to get us in trouble.When I was a kid, back in the day when the #15 with the R16's were going to Broad St., when the drop back motorman got on at Broad the arriving motorman would tell him 6 or 8, of course the # of cars on the train. When I worked midnights on the D in the summer or 1982 (car availability was extremely short then to the point that the only QB's from STL were the first 2 to Astoria with all the others cancelled), STL made sure CCYD had enough cars for their put ins. I had intervals out of STL that I could have 4, 6, 8 or 10 cars on my trips. Then at 205 they would cut off the extra cars. Normally I had 4 cars during the week on my midnight trips, 6 cars on the weekend, and 10 cars on my last half. And I remembered how many cars I had all the time, never stopped wrong. Today they don't cut at all, except OPTO and still some of the t/o's stop at the wrong marker, enable the conductor, he supposedly points to the board, and cars are STILL opened outside of stations. Go figure. Some of these new people are not putting their entire minds to the job. I blame it on school car. They don't have veteran people teaching anymore down there to hammer stuff and situations into their heads. They are putting brand new TSS' into teaching positions. This is wrong. We both know of one of these who is the exception and is an excellent teacher, but for the most part it's a mistake. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 12:16:43 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 4 10:04:20 2018. Yes. IIRC the number is 16 free cars due to Bombardiers' lateness. That's 8 additional 10 car trains so the C can be 600'. Not that I'm saying the C should get the R179's, I would give them to the A and let the part time C have all R46's. The A would be a mixture of R46 and R179's till the R211's can wipe out the balance of the R46's. At that point I'd put all the 10 car R179's on the C with the balance being R68, 68A or R211, but I'm getting too far ahead right now! The G getting 8 car R179's makes a lot of sense, but transit has to get away from the idea of 4 car weekend OPTO with those 60' cars. The G is too crowded on weekends for short trains.Getting free stuff from the manufacturer isn't without precedent. On the bus side, 2009 Orion hybrid NG's #4701/4702 assigned to Grand Ave. were freebies due to the order being late. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 16:37:20 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Mar 4 09:10:57 2018. What’s interesting about the term “7th Ave-Lenox Local” is that AFAIK, the term only originated with the R-typw cars. On the Hi-Vs and Lo-Vs the signs for theBway services read “Bway-7th Ave Express” and Bway-7th Ave Local” and the lenox services simply read “7th Ave Express”or "7 Ave Local.” When the R types came on the property, the signs read “Broadway Exp” and Broadway Local” and "7th Ave Express” and “7th Ave-Lenox Local.” For whatever reason, the name “Lenox” was only included for the local readings but not for the express readings and the name “7th Ave” was removed completely from both Bway readings. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 16:53:29 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 12:02:34 2018. When did they stop dropping QBs? When I was a T/D the rule was QBs (and also RR/Nassaus) were NOT to be dropped. If a QB went bad on the stand, the signs on a QJ (and later the M) were to be changed to QB, the QB would operate and the QJ (or M) would be dropped. The so called premium service was always to run. Back in June of 1969, when I had been a road M/M for about a week, I made a midnight trip on a 4 car AA. After lunch, I was assigned a student for my next trip which was a B to Stl. Fortunately from being a railfan, I knew the line about as well as someone who had been on the job longer so it wasn’t a problem. However If I hadn’t had prior knowledge and was only able to instruct base on the skimpy break in time I actually had, The student would have been severely deprived. As it turned out, on my return trip to 168 St, my train got turned back south at Pacific St and my student had to deadhead to 168 St to break in on a AA trip. I recommended that he contact the training school to let them know that he still needed to finish breaking in on the rest of the B. If the training was that bad back then, I cant imagine how it is now if the old timers say it’s worse now. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 4 17:08:45 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 12:16:43 2018. Agreed, the G should run OPTO only at night. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 21:49:36 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 16:53:29 2018. That should read when did they START dropping QBs. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Mar 5 11:31:08 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:12:31 2018. A couple of years ago, when the A/C line reviews came out stating that 480' was enough for the C because it was enough to meet load factor guidelines. So is the C now being upgraded only because enough 5-car R179s are being ordered? |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Mar 5 11:31:38 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:12:31 2018. A couple of years ago, the A/C line reviews came out stating that 480' was enough for the C, because it was enough to meet load factor guidelines. So is the C now being upgraded as a bonus because enough 5-car R179s are being ordered? |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 11:41:34 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by K. Trout on Mon Mar 5 11:31:38 2018. They decided C train lengthening takes precedence over R32 over-scrapping.Maybe they learned a lesson when they junk d 80 Phase I's, so had to retain 50 rusted out R42's, which a few year ago had much inferior MDBF compared to the R32. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Jace on Mon Mar 5 12:17:26 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 11:02:46 2018. More doors on the higher volume A. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 13:24:50 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 4 17:08:45 2018. OPTO should never run. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Mar 5 16:42:46 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Jace on Mon Mar 5 12:17:26 2018. Makes sense. If that is the driving reason I'd personally want to move R160s/R179s over to the A to get FIND available for the service variants; but that introduces some complications with where to put the R32s since they can't go to Coney Island due to being restricted from Montague. I guess swapping R32s and R46s between the A and C is the easiest way to achieve that goal, then. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Mon Mar 5 21:03:47 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 4 10:04:20 2018. Correct, the C schedule requires 18 trains. That being with a majority 10 minute headway. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 7 09:12:44 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 13:24:50 2018. It can be run, but in certain circumstances. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Mar 7 15:24:50 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 4 10:04:20 2018. They will still need about 6 more full length (600') trains to completely fill out the C with 600' trains. They could easily do this by simply swapping the 88 8-car R160s now running on the C with the 52 R68s now running on the G, resulting in 6 additional full length trains for the C, so that it becomes 100% full length while at the same time the G's length is increased to 480' (instead of the present 300') to help it handle the extra crowds during the Canarsie tunnel project. The advantage of having R68s on the C is that the roll signs won't have to be changed since the terminals (168 St and Euclid Av) are always the same unless there's a G.O. All of the 8-car R179s can go to the J/Z, making it 100% R179. The 56 (7 trains) R160s now running on the J/Z can be used to increase service on the M and/or G. The 40 R46s (5 trains) now running on the C can return to the A, enabling the retirement of all but one or two of the R32 sets now running on the A. The rest of the R32s and 42s can be retired or put into reserve storage. Since the A and C will be 100% full length, they can swap train sets between them if needed. |
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Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:52:33 2018, in response to Re: VIDEO: R46 (C) Train, (D) via 8th Av, (E) via 6th Av, & (1) Train via the (3) Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 7 09:12:44 2018. With the new NYCTA president, OPTO will be given another look and he will probably try to ram it down the TWU’s throat. |
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