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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Nov 18 16:44:21 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 18 16:00:26 2015. I understand that stood for Ludlow?Ludlow was correct. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:50:30 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 13:09:20 2015. Sorry, but I wasn't talking about a single dream. I was talking about a half dozen of them. So you say I imagined all of them? And why couldn't I remember the exact words from the dream or my feelings in the dream? Of course I could. Even if I misremembered the exact conversation, it was still close enough to be remarkable. Just the fact that soeone I barely knew even showed up at the reunion six months after I had the dream is remarkable by itself. And since I told my sister the dream right after it happened, proves I could not have imagined having it. I thought about it for six months asking myself, what if he shows up and says what I heard in the dream. Of course there were doe differences between hte dream and what actually happened. I never said it was a duplicate of reality.I also forgot to say that in the dream where my friend killed himself, I knew in the dream that he did not have a heart attack as I dreamt and as his mother really told me in the phone. Another friend also did not believe his mother so he had a policeman friend check the records and we were both correct. So you are saying that dream was also imagined? Of course coincidences can happen on many occasions. I have had many of them. What I meant is that I do not believe how all the prophetic dreams I have had and the one my sister had where she described my mugging as if she witnessed are coincidences and from what we know now, they are unexplainable. Your explanation that I never had the dreams just means you don't believe me and doesn't explain the dream my sister had. I am not saying the explanation is supernatural. I am just saying that everything is not explainable. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Nov 18 16:52:37 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 11:36:45 2015. I was born in 1942, I'm 73 yeas old today.So someone born in 1965 would be 50 years old today. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 18 16:55:05 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 15:48:36 2015. But the official cause of death for Ms. Kilgallen is still inconclusive. The cause is listed as "likely" and likely implies some doubt. So the medical examiner hasn't really resolved anything.It's listed as "likely" on Wikipedia with no citation. If the medical examiner wrote the Wiki article, you might have something, but as it says in the November 15, 1965 Journal-American: "The death of Dorothy Kilgallen, Journal-American columnist and famed TV personality, was contributed to by a combination of moderate quantities of alcohol and barbiturates, a medical examiner's report stated today...In his report today, Dr. James Luke, Assistant Medical Examiner, said that although Miss Kilgallen had only 'moderate amounts of each,' the effect of the combination had caused depression of the central nervous system 'which in turn caused her heart to stop.'" No "likely" there. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:56:14 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 18 13:03:05 2015. I am also waiting for your apology for doubting I was Director of Bus Planning and R32 Project Manager. When I get those, I will apologize to you for Atlantic Avenue and we will be even and can call it a day. Okay with you? |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 16:56:39 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:50:30 2015. In all of those examples, being close enough does not seem remarkable.People don't just kill themselves randomly (usually). Your friend was troubled, you sensed it and you were subconsciously concerned. In the case of your reunion, you were looking forward to meeting this person again and subconsciously anticipating it. There are only so many ways a mugging could happen. There's also the possibility that you are misremembering. Memory is not 100% reliable. False memories are common. Psychic powers are not. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:56:53 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by northshore on Wed Nov 18 15:58:15 2015. I am trying to understand your humor but I don't get it. Sorry. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:58:54 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 17 23:56:42 2015. Great Post! |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:03:00 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 00:30:14 2015. His point wasn't that the US was trying to hide anything from the USSR, but that the goverment does lie and if the plane had not been recovered the US would still be sticking by its original story that it wasn't a spy plane.And if that occurred and someone today said it was a spy plane when that wasn't the official story, you would be calling the people haibrained conspiracy theorists. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Nov 18 17:03:00 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:56:14 2015. Why should he apologize. Prove them. |
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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:14:56 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 12:45:43 2015. What I am saying is that Gallup could have done the study with a higher age cutoff which showed a much lower percentage who believed in Creation and the sponsors of the study didn't like the results and asked Gallup to redo the study with a cutoff of 18 knowing the relation between education and the answers given in order to raise the percentage.I am not saying that actually happened. It is entirely speculation. I am just saying that it is possible and Gallup's study would still be the truth. They just don't release the first study. You don't think that sometimes studies aren't redone until the desired conclusions are achieved? He is not being consistent about R 36s age because he first said chances are that he wasn't born before 1965 simply because the median age is much lower than fifty. The second time he refers to R36's "apparent youth". He could be as old as 51 or 52 and still not remember the blackout, so he may not be young at all. So why is his youth apparent? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Nov 18 17:15:40 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Nov 18 16:52:37 2015. I was born in 1942, I'm 73 years old today. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:17:28 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 13:22:45 2015. There is nothing wrong with my logic. I was perfectly clear. Who said anything about the world ending in 1965? Who is talking about someone born five minutes ago? Only you.What did I say before about you having a reading comprehension problem? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:19:57 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Nov 18 16:44:21 2015. I remember Ludlow. One of my aunts had that exchange. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:25:49 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:21:44 2015. Well it looks like your explanation was completely wrong judging from the following responses.I wonder if Terrapin is going to ask for an apology from you since he often criticizes me for misstating facts and says that is the reason he and according yo him many others do not trust anything I say. Since backup power is not the explanation for landlines working during a blackout, does that mean we shouldn't trust anything you tell us also? |
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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:26:47 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 17 17:06:36 2015. Correct. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 17:30:21 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:03:00 2015. No, I wouldn't. Spy plane would be a reasonable explanation anyway. Like if the thing that crashed in Roswell in 1947 weren't a weather balloon but an experimental aircraft or an enemy aircraft, I'd believe that. It makes sense. The alternate explanations of the Kennedy assassination mostly do not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:31:04 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 16:09:19 2015. I meant any phone that has to be plugged into the wall or cordless phones which is most any phone today. And since many today get their phones through cable or FIOS, those wouldn't work either, but I believe FIOS comes with a 24 hour backup battery, so it would work for one day. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 17:36:18 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:14:56 2015. I was always consistent about R36's age. You have a major comprehension problem. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:37:32 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Nov 17 16:13:16 2015. See my response here:http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1374135 Actually the keypad will not light up so it won't work "fine". The phone may work though. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 17:39:06 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:17:28 2015. How devoid of basic logic can one person be? Maybe you're losing your mind and were much more lucid in your days at the MTA. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 17:42:44 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by pd11604 on Wed Nov 18 11:47:51 2015. Yep. Really large ones at NY Telephone plants. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 18 18:01:35 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 11:39:38 2015. Probably not. Selkirk gave an explanation of what probably happened with the pay phones in question. I wouldn't have posted my message if I had read it first. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Nov 18 18:24:31 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 17:57:49 2015. Actually a lot of NYC exchanges in the 1960's still used panel switching which was a bit newer than the original Strowger SXS offices. However a lot of rural areas used Strowger type switches made by several manufacturers into the 1980s. Eventually they had to be replaced because they couldn't provide equal access and other modern features and also required too much maintenance. Modern switches are much more reliable and energy efficient. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 18:52:08 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by murray1575 on Wed Nov 18 18:24:31 2015. GTE Automatic Electric and Stromberg Carlson units persisted into the early 90's. I was amazed to see them still clacking along when I worked at PSC. Sylvan Lake Crankaphone, now known as "Frontier." :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 18:53:56 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:25:49 2015. That's because unlike you, I used the magic words "may have."People who don't have comprehension problems would have seen that and understood that I wasn't stating a fact. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 18:54:52 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:26:47 2015. So now are you retracting your claim that all home phones require Con Ed power? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 18:56:00 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:31:04 2015. You said "all home phones," not "many home phones." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 18:57:48 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:37:32 2015. Why wouldn't the keypad light up? There are keypads that are lit purely on phone line power. This looks like one of those. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 18:58:41 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 18:56:00 2015. And you said pay phone didn't work in 1965 because they all required electricity. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:00:19 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 18:58:41 2015. And I was 100% right. See Selkirk's explanation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:04:34 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:25:49 2015. And it turns out my post was many times more accurate than yours and essentially completely right, assuming Selkirk is right. That is a reasonable assumption to make, unlike with your posts where it is better to presume they are wrong unless corroborated. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:04:43 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 18:57:48 2015. Not so back in those days - lit dials required power from a transformer plugged into the wall to light up the bulb that provided lit dials, such as the original "Princess" phone and later models. That's why all phone jacks were provided with four wires - red and green were your voice pair and the black and yellow wires would carry 6 volts AC to light the bulb(s).If you used the nominal 50 volts provided, that would close the circuit. Loop current only provided a maximum of 20 milliamperes for voice anyway, and that was insufficient to light a bulb. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:07:25 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:04:43 2015. But we're talking about now! While I absolutely appreciate the description, you're just confusing poor old BrooklynBus. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:18:12 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:07:25 2015. He was describing things at the time of the big blackout in either 1965 or 1977. That WAS the reality then, either way. I'm responding specifically to the issue of the lights not working yet the phone still did. Modern phones with LED's don't require much current, but even then, drawing even a few milliamps from the local loop would establish a dialtone so even those need separate powering.Central office loops require that if ANY current flows through the pair, give that pair a dialtone. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:22:03 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:18:12 2015. He was responding to a post about a phone sold on Amazon that does not require mains power. In 2015. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 18 19:34:06 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 18:52:08 2015. Yep. Some rule eventually went through that said that the ability to pick your long distance carrier had to have 100% coverage, not just 99% or so. That killed all the step-by-step (if you're a Bell System person) or Strowger (if you're not) switches. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:37:39 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:22:03 2015. This thread has been to Alpha Centauri and back. I think I clearly placed my own contributions here to how things worked during those two blackouts, insert standard disclaimer here. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:38:29 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:37:39 2015. That's cool. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:38:57 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 18 19:34:06 2015. Heh. And here I was thinking that when Northern Telecom couldn't build a reliable ratchet, that was all she wrote. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:39:27 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:38:29 2015. No worries! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:40:39 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:22:03 2015. BTW ... there's probably a battery in there, only way I could imagine that happening. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 18 19:55:49 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:04:34 2015. Selkirk's explanation sounds very plausible to me. I had forgotten that eletromechanical switches used far more power than electronic switches (gradually introduced starting around 1965), but that is certainly true. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 18 20:30:22 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:00:19 2015. The phones themselves didn't require electricity from the grid. The switching equipment at the central office normally did, but it could also run for a limited time on batteries, or could run on the telco's own generators, is how I read it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 20:34:52 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 18 20:30:22 2015. Precisely. You've got it. Telephone service on the pairs that go to your phone always ran on batteries, 55 volts DC nominal. The batteries in turn were constantly under charge from commercial electric power, works the same way as a laptop does - they run off the batteries, but if it's plugged in, then the batteries never discharge fully. Hope that helps explain it. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Nov 18 21:38:00 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by northshore on Wed Nov 18 15:58:15 2015. I still don't understand what Dorothy Kilgallen had to do with the Atlantic Avenue Elevator? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 22:04:37 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:56:53 2015. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 22:05:20 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by northshore on Wed Nov 18 21:38:00 2015. Thread drift |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Nov 18 22:06:47 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by northshore on Wed Nov 18 21:38:00 2015. She was killed there and her body was taken back to her apartment and arranged in such a way that it would look like an overdose. Everybody knows that! |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 22:08:18 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:34:36 2015. It was worth a shot.And some would argue that somethings are worth hiding. |
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