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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 17:45:13 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 16:35:40 2015. They already said they would do another SMS. Those few extra years now amounts to 7. Mylar patchs are cheap. We had to do them by the thousands in 1968. What's 222 * 2. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 18:04:39 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by zac on Tue Aug 11 16:52:41 2015. Do remember that the riding public do not like R32's very much, so I don't think they would appreciate commemorating their 50th by telling them to ride them. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 11 20:08:27 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 18:04:39 2015. Very true. The R32s that don't have working A/C, dirty, bad lighting signed wrong etc deserve a serious bitch slap from the riding taxpayer public. In other words, equiptment that not properly maintained should not be on the road. If the neccessary TLC needed to keep older equiptment running to expectations is there, then the riding clientele and most folks on this forum should be happy to see the R-32s geting it done. Bottom line, its nice to have the R-32s around this long, but if there in the game with the big boys, there expected to play. The older the patient, the more intense the care. |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Aug 11 23:14:14 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:57:46 2015. Yes, I saw them do it. They erected a wooden "column" (though it was many wooden members criss-crossed together) right next to the column to be replaced to support the horizontal member above, then they removed the old column (a composite column fabricated from several pieces riveted together), then they installed the new, solid, H-beam column. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 11 23:50:45 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Aug 11 15:28:41 2015. when you consider the comparison between the importance and traffic levels of Myrtle vs Belmont...It's hard to say. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 11 23:54:55 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 13:01:35 2015. it that were true, then why did they keep the BU/Q types for so long? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 12 00:02:52 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 10 16:41:42 2015. Order more of those rollsigns that were installed on the R38s (and can be found on some 32s)? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 12 15:59:05 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 11 23:54:55 2015. Probably because the priority for new car assignments was for the IRT and BMT mainlines rather than elevated lines that the TA would have liked to get rid of sooner than it did. I think what kept Myrtle around so long was the presence of the Bkln Navy Yard and when that ceased operations, ridership on Myrtle fell drastically. In the late 1950s/early 1960s there was talk of putting IRT Lo-Vs on Myrtle, but I suspect that even the minimal expense of relocating the tripcocks was ;probably deemed too expensive for the TA suits. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 12 16:00:15 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 12 00:02:52 2015. I believe that the latest R-38 roll signs were the same as those installed on the R-32s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 12 18:02:24 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 12 15:59:05 2015. They had some Lo-V's on the Southern Division, though they had skirts. I assume they would not clear the Myrtle South. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Aug 12 19:10:59 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 12 18:02:24 2015.  Line: BMT Franklin...Location: Franklin Avenue... Route: Franklin Shuttle...Car: BMT-Low V... Collection of: David Pirmann...Notes: Modified for use on BMT...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Aug 12 19:42:50 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Aug 12 19:10:59 2015. It would be nice if they moved the lights under the step plates on the museum Low-V's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 13 06:53:27 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by CJ on Mon Aug 10 16:36:06 2015. Remember, the R32's got a total rebuild in kate 80s. Few parts on them date back to the mid 60s. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 13 11:30:59 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Aug 12 19:42:50 2015. In the 1950s, the Lo-Vs had battery running lamps installed to replace the kerosene deck lamps then in use on all prewar IRT equipment. When the LoVs were first restored, the battery running lights were removed and the Lo-Vs ran with retired kerosene lamps the way they did originally. The current sets of seal beam/taillights are removable like the kerosene lamps and hang on the brackets formerly used by the kerosene lamps. NYCT safety procedure requires all cars operating over the road to have seal beam headlights so the current arrangement has to be used unless the cars are in static display bin which case a set of kerosene lamps could be mounted. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Aug 13 18:54:05 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 13 06:53:27 2015. Are you referring to the GOH done by Morrison Knutsen? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 13 19:16:54 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Aug 13 18:54:05 2015. All the R-32s got done by M-K except for the 10 done by GE as part of the R-38 overhaul. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Aug 14 00:37:38 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. I'm heard from a TSS and a dispatcher that for next pick the 32's from the C line and currently on the J line is moving to the M line. The J line will be getting a couple R143's and the C lines will be keeping their new tech past the summer. The M line will go from a senior line to newbie line real quick... :) |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Aug 14 07:20:25 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 13 19:16:54 2015. But the 10 GE cars are "Sleeping with the fish", right? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Aug 14 07:59:23 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Aug 14 00:37:38 2015. When does the next pick start? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Aug 14 12:34:15 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 16:01:34 2015. The Brighton B ran 32s before, once right before the 160s took over in 06, early 07 and during the Brighton station rehab in 09-10. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 14 13:34:13 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Aug 13 18:54:05 2015. Yes. Basucally, only the shells are original. Mechanically, the R32's are only 26 years old. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 14 15:17:29 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Aug 14 07:20:25 2015. I think so. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Aug 14 15:24:13 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Aug 14 07:59:23 2015. 12/7/15 |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Aug 14 15:46:59 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Aug 14 15:24:13 2015. I heard that R32s would go to the M in September. I may be wrong though. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 14 16:32:11 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Aug 14 15:46:59 2015. Better start posting orange M mylar stickers over the V signs for proper signage as well as placing Metro Av readings in the lower destination boxes. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 14 16:37:19 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Aug 14 12:34:15 2015. But with wrong signs! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 14 16:38:27 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 14 13:34:13 2015. The trucks are also original. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Aug 14 17:37:51 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Aug 14 15:46:59 2015. U might have heard correct sometimes timetables change but the R32's to the M is definetly happening from what i'm hearing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 18:46:36 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 14 13:34:13 2015. R42's and R32's were all done around the same time by M-K.Yet, the R32 has always been a superior performer with performance and MDBF. It is just a better car. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 18:51:57 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Aug 14 00:37:38 2015. So, the Myrtle Avenue el gets the oldest cars in the continent - again.The R32's are now older than any Steel/Standard got to be, rivaling the Q's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 18:53:16 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 14 16:37:19 2015. Life will go on.It does not give the R32 much time outdoors to get fresh summer air though. Wonder if they will keep that up next summer. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 14 19:08:54 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 18:51:57 2015. How many more years do the R-32s have to be in service to surpass the Q's?? |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Aug 14 19:10:42 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 18:46:36 2015. The latest 12-month average MDBF:R32: 58,101 miles R42: 53,973 miles I don't see much of a difference. Also I observed the R42 A/C to be more reliable than that of the R32. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Aug 14 19:16:07 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 18:51:57 2015. Somehow i get the feeling it won't last long. Residents in Forest Hills, Ridgewood andiddle Village are the types to raise hell and get their politicans involved. Especially since they have already been spoiled with all 160's all these yrs. Of course thats pure speculation on my part... :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 19:55:35 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by VictorM on Fri Aug 14 19:10:42 2015. The AC is a known problem, as it was a retrofit.Until a couple of years ago, it was more like 45,000 and 90,000 miles. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 19:56:14 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 14 19:08:54 2015. The Q's hit 64 years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 19:59:20 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Aug 14 19:16:07 2015. Upper West Side are hardly political neophytes, they have money, and they have had the oldest cars of the system, whatever they are, on the C for decades. The best they could do was to keep the R42's away as they had to stop at the 10 car markers due to conductor boards. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 14 20:43:53 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 19:56:14 2015. Like I said, it's a tribute to how well the R32s were built that they are still very much serviceable, even after 51 years.Fact is, they have outlived the R38s, R40s, R44s and will likely outlive what's left of the R42s. Those may have been the best modern cars ever built. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Aug 14 21:43:43 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 19:59:20 2015. Well i this is the 2nd summer with the 160's on the Charlie and now they keeping through the fall lets see how long they stick around. Of course if do they stick it might not necessarily be bc of political pressure. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 14 21:44:56 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Aug 14 19:16:07 2015. I agree. Moves like that have been tried before.I remember when some R-10s were assigned to the E back in the late 70s, the locals screamed like hell. But back then, they had a point. Those R-10s clearly had their best years behind them. They were dimly lit,filthy, no A/C & could barely get out of their own way with rush hour crouds. Clearly begging for a rebuild. R-1/9s would clearly out perform them, if they were still around that is. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Aug 15 07:08:34 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 14 21:44:56 2015. Budd built quality. I briefly worked for them, well, close anyway. We were the Budd Company, Trailer Division, they acquired Gindy Trailers.R-32s |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 15 10:16:06 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Aug 15 07:08:34 2015. I wonder if anyone at Red lion in 1964, ever imagined the cars they built would still be in service fifty-plus years on...I can't see any of today's tech trains lasting nearly that long. IMO, craftsmanship was something people took a bit more seriously then, than they do today. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Aug 15 10:19:28 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 15 10:16:06 2015. We visited Red Lion, I forget what cars they were building. I remember the workers were sitting in the cars eating lunch. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 15 13:51:52 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 14 21:44:56 2015. That was when the R-46s as I remember were restricted to rush hour service only on what was then the CC and on the CC those trains were six-cars and 450 feet. They had little choice but to put the R-10s on the E at the time. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 15 14:02:57 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 14 19:59:20 2015. That could have been easily solved by adding R-42 C/R boards. However, I have wondered recently why C/R boards are needed for less than maximum length trains since when I was a C/R we didn’t need them On a full length train they are needed since the train takes the full length of the platform and it can be difficult for the C.r to determine if the train is properly berthed. On shorter trains there should be no problem determining of the train is fully in the station especially on lines like the G that only run 4 X 75 footers. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 15 15:49:58 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 14 16:38:27 2015. But completely refurbished. Not the original traction motors, IIRC. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 15 16:06:43 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 15 15:49:58 2015. Makes me wonder if they couldn't be completely refurbished a second time. I certainly wouldn't suggest anything of the sort for an R-42, but the R-32 bodies are in decent shape. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 15 16:09:12 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 15 14:02:57 2015. But if there were no C/R board, where would the C/R point? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 15 16:21:18 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 15 13:51:52 2015. ...And around that time, didn't they take a bunch of R-16s out of mothballs and returned them to service a/c some R-46s were taken out of service because they developed cracks in their trucks?? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 15 16:25:24 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 15 16:09:12 2015. We didn’t have to point in those days either. If a C/R couldn’t do the job without having to be treated like a 2 year old then he wasn’t fit for the job!!! |
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