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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 12:45:51 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 00:57:26 2015. I don't think they'll go so far as to say "never do this again". The possibility of really big snowstorms still exists. Push the governor too far on this and it can backfire. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:52:14 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:29:57 2015. In other words, normal AVAILABLE media, most notably local newscasts that did not air on Christmas Day 2010.As said, a lot of that was changed after that blizzard to avoid a repeat of 2010. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 12:54:55 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:52:14 2015. Before you tell us how there were no local newscasts again, can you please find some sort of evidence that was in fact the case in New York City? I don't make a habit of watching the TV news (Jeopardy, the only TV show that I watch with any regularity, comes on at 7:30 in the DC area) but I've never heard of the stations in DC (a smaller media market than Philadelphia) not airing newscasts on major holidays. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:54:59 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 12:23:55 2015. And they may very well be taking unnecessary losses:Dow was WAY down that I last saw and that was being attributed in part of people not being at their desks due to the earlier shutdown. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 13:07:42 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:54:59 2015. What is your source for that?No mention of the snow as a reason why stocks are down today in this article |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 13:21:01 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:52:14 2015. wRONG. There was tons of media available. Anyone who at all cared about what was going on in the world, including what the weather would be like, had NO TROUBLE AT ALL finding a news source. Let me repeat that - NO TROUBLE AT ALL. Do you even live in NYC? Are you not aware of all the 24/7 media outlets we have? There are so many! And that's not even counting the internet, which almost every person has. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 13:21:18 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:54:59 2015. wrong |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 13:22:54 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:32:19 2015. If what the workers are doing can be done over the weekend, then it shouldn't be a problem either to work a couple of extra hours over the next few days, and maybe work a little on Saturday. Still leaves Sunday clear. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 13:30:47 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:35:04 2015. Shutting down the system while they try to keep the tracks, platforms, etc., clear? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 13:33:40 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:54:59 2015. ???I read it as poor earnings reports from blue chip stocks. Weather is more likely to reduce activity but not necessarily set the market trend in a major way. Even more so since so much is done electronically. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 13:37:49 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 12:52:14 2015. The network morning shows aired with the usual local news and weather segments. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 27 13:54:25 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 27 10:57:14 2015. If the weather channel HAD gotten it right for once, if you were on duty for the shutdown, they would have had you lay up somewhere and camp out. Sweetest OT ever. :) |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 14:59:15 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 13:30:47 2015. No, the MTA didn't do that. Gov. Cuomo did that. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 16:07:25 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 14:59:15 2015. Cuomo told them to do that, they did it. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 16:21:57 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:10:46 2015. Strikes are expected, but so is bad weather necessitating shutdowns. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 17:14:07 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 16:07:25 2015. They had to. But you are making it sounds like it was the MTA's doing. It was not. It was Cuomo's doing. Had nothing to do with the MTA. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 27 17:54:29 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 27 13:54:25 2015. Lol for real had my snacks ready too! Apparently they did shut down later than 11 tho. Learned something new also. Apparently the L line snowbirds are laid up on Cantral Park West exp tracks. I know the Larry don't have a lot of underground lay up tracks but that's a long way from home!(And some serious OT for Larry crews for lay ups and put ins) |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 27 18:06:06 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 27 17:54:29 2015. Thanks for posting the location of where the L line leaves its snowbirds! Been wondering that. I'm shocked the TA doesn't just cut L line service to Union Square and leave snowbirds between 8th Ave and Union Square. |
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Cost to city in economic activity: $200 million (All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 18:32:48 2015, in response to All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 26 17:30:19 2015. Associated Press
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 27 19:03:16 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 27 18:06:06 2015. Or at least cut headway and single track in for an underground portion of the line and lay up there. But I guess something prevent them from doing that. I never worked the L so I don't know why. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 19:26:54 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 17:14:07 2015. Whether or not it was the MTA or Cuomo who ordered it, the reason for the action is the same: to keep the tracks and roads as clear as possible and to avoid an incident. You can't say the MTA has nothing to do with it, since they are some of the ones carrying this out. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 20:31:40 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 12:54:55 2015. I know in Philly, NONE of the local stations had ANY newscasts that Christmas Day until 11:00 PM and from what I had been told that was the case in NYC.As mentioned, WCAU-TV (NBC 10) in Philadelphia was doing special webcasts that day only because Glenn "Hurricane" Schwartz came in apparently on his own and did that. Otherwise, people in Philly might not have prepared as well as they did. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 20:47:27 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 20:31:40 2015. I'm not convinced. But let's assume for a moment that what you are saying is in fact true. Do you now expect us to believe that a TV station in the nation's largest media market couldn't cobble together a newscast when the weather made a turn for the worst? Or that the MTA decision makers couldn't keep tabs on the weather themselves because it was a holiday? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 21:58:32 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 27 17:54:29 2015. You'd think they'd do that for the J or M, and leave the tunnels around Nassau St for the L. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 22:02:26 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 19:26:54 2015. But that WASN'T the reason!!!!!And the MTA has nothing to do with this because if it was up to them, they wouldn't have shut down the system!!!!! |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 22:05:34 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 20:31:40 2015. WTF? Who gets their news from the TV???????????????????? I'm sure most people knew exactly what was going on and it wasn't from TV. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 22:10:27 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 22:02:26 2015. Then what was the reason Cuomo ordered it?And though the MTA had nothing to do with making the final decision, there the ones who followed through with their portion of the shutdown, so yes, they had something to do with it. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:37:47 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 20:47:27 2015. The were a whole multitude of problems that were discussed to death at that time (here and on many other forums). Many of those problems (not just the media issue and other things I brought up) have since been adjusted to avoid a repeat of what happened in 2010 from happening.The point is, Cuomo in my view likely overstepped on fears something would go wrong and it would torpedo a Presidentiial bid in 2020 or '24. no matter how slim in reality that is. In the process, he violated rule #1 of politics in that you NEVER PISS OFF WALL STREET and now that is likely to come back to bite him in ways he never imagined. especially if it puts other potential Democratic candiates for various offices in jeopardy for 2016 because Wall Street will look for Republicans beyond what they normally do to take it out on Cuomo and send a message to him. If I'm at the DNC, I make it clear to Cuomo he is NEVER to do it again outside of an Irene/Sandy situation because of the potential fallout that goes way beyond him. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:40:55 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 13:07:42 2015. There was mention on CNBC early in the day. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 22:41:28 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 22:10:27 2015. The reason was probably that he didn't want to look bad if something happened, even if it was something reasonable and expected under the circumstances.The MTA didn't have a choice. If they disobeyed, people could/would lose their jobs. They complied under protest. So when disusing the decision to shut it all down, you have to recognize that the MTA had nothing to do with it. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:42:37 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 13:33:40 2015. I never said it was ENTIRELY attributed to it, but it's no secret when volume is lower than it otherwise would be because of extenuating factors (not just weather, but for example "Black Friday") it can exaggerate moves well beyond where they would otherwise have been. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:46:02 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 17:14:07 2015. Right:It was Cuomo's doing and he may wind up paying a far steeper price politically for it than he ever thought. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:47:59 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 22:41:28 2015. And Cuomo may now wind up paying a far bigger price politically for that than he did for shutting it down. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:51:40 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 13:37:49 2015. Not that morning. On Chirstmas (and also New Year's) morning, those shows are taped ahead of time so people don't have to come in then.That was not the only reason for the 2010 debacle, but it did play a part in it. And not everyone could as easily get on the net, especially if they were with relatives who frowned on such like that (especially older people). |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 22:57:18 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:51:40 2015. I doubt NYC relies on prerecorded weather and news segments on Christmas morning. It is the #1 media market in the US. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 23:17:30 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:47:59 2015. No he won't. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 23:18:04 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 22:41:28 2015. *discussing, not disusing |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 23:18:53 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:46:02 2015. No, doubt it. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 23:19:43 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:51:40 2015. That was not the only reason for the 2010 debacle, but it did play a part in it.No it didn't. nd not everyone could as easily get on the net, especially if they were with relatives who frowned on such like that (especially older people).That's ridiculous. Are you simply speaking from experience? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 00:25:46 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 22:57:18 2015. Now that is the case:Before the 2010 blizzard, however many stations often ran figure skating specials and other stuff on Christmas morning (or in WPIX's case, "The Yule Log") so staff did not have to come into work because Christmas day usually was a slow news day. Between that and live sports, stations often did not run newscasts except for 11:00 PM to meet FCC requirements. That all changed after the 2010 blizzard. Point was, there were a lot of things taken forgranted that led to what happened during that storm that no longer are. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 00:28:23 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 23:19:43 2015. Yes. I know people who have to deal with family that are like that.On another board I post at, there was for example someone who noted when Whitney Houston died how they didn't find out until well into the next day because she was with her parents who did not have TV or internet and frowned on her even using her cell phone because they were older and quite rigid. At Christmastime, I'm sure many were dealing with parents/relatives like that and that likely contributed to what happened in 2010. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 00:29:50 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 23:17:30 2015. Don't be so sure. Given how many people are PO'ed at Cuomo over this, he may have overextended. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jan 28 03:48:44 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 22:42:37 2015. That would be mostly temporary, because once everything is running again, it's back to world news, earnings reports, etc. People may even profit from the turbulence - that's how speed traders work. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 04:15:04 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jan 28 03:48:44 2015. Certainly.That said, Wall Street is still VERY PO'ed and I suspect Cuomo may have inadvertantly made the Dems effort to regain the House and Senate control in 2016 a lot harder. As said, Rule #1 of politics: DO NOT PISS OFF WALL STREET! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 04:19:02 2015, in response to Cost to city in economic activity: $200 million (All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 18:32:48 2015. They can say all they want, but David Faber's DOUBLE BLASTING of Cuomo on CNBC summed up what a lot of Wall Street was thinking.There are many on Wall Street who are EXTREMELY PISSED OFF over this and WILL NOT FORGET it so easily. They will use this against Cuomo and put massive pressure on him never to do it again and if I were with the DNC, I make it where if Cuomo does it again, he is "persona non grata" with the party. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 28 09:54:44 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 04:15:04 2015. What is your obsession about Wall Street? If you are concerned about Big Financial Brother, go take a pill! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 14:33:19 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 28 09:54:44 2015. I am concerned about the ripple effects of this that may go WAY beyond New York and into national politics:Wall Street is very much aligned with the Republican Party, which has has lot of members that are VERY backwards on a lot of things (especially what is known as the Tea Party). What Cuomo did in violating Rule #1 of politics is have Wall Street remember who did this and motivates them to "Double Down" to make sure the GOP stays in power of BOTH legislative branches in 2016. We won't see this for almost two years, but Wall Street has a VERY long memory and some Democrats that were hoping to help get control of the legislative branches back from the GOP now face a battle made more difficult by influential people who clearly are PO'ed at Cuomo for shutting down the subways and will use it against him where they can, in this case, "doubling down" on GOP candidates in states where they are vulnerable or the Democratic incumbent is. That's what I mean by Cuomo unleashing blowback and not PO'ing Wall Street is rule #1. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 28 14:41:34 2015, in response to Ripple Effects of Shutdown, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 14:33:19 2015. What Cuomo did in violating Rule #1 of politics is have Wall Street remember who did this and motivates them to "Double Down" to make sure the GOP stays in power of BOTH legislative branches in 2016.I think you are looking at the wrong state. The GOP is not in power in both legislative houses in NY, so they can't possibly stay in power in 2016. Also, Wall Street could allocate $5 billion and still would not be able to unseat the Democrats from the Assembly in 2016. The Senate they can probably hold if they want to spend the money. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 28 14:50:19 2015, in response to Ripple Effects of Shutdown, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 14:33:19 2015. "If you are paranoid and sad, take a pill! CLAP-CLAP!!!" You are attempting to snowball a one day service stop into something it is not. Bear in mind that most of these Republicans are from upstate and couldn't give a shit, one way or another, about this shutdown!!! It happened, it's history, let's get on with a Legislature minus Sheldon Silverman. That's the ONLY thing on their minds now! |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Jan 28 14:50:24 2015, in response to Ripple Effects of Shutdown, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 28 14:33:19 2015. Honestly, I wish that you would stop with these ludicrous posts. If you want to be a conspiracy buff, this is not the place for it. Enough. |
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