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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:00:30 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LA Scott on Mon Jan 26 21:47:35 2015. Yes, but I have dealt over the years with people from outside the US in particular who would never tolerate that and you could never tell them otherwise.It does make sense on a day like this to be at home if possible, but I'm sure there will be those who will still demand people be at work or demand they come in over the weekend to make up the days missed, which if so I think will really PO some against the Governor. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jan 27 04:08:00 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 00:28:48 2015. I'll take brains over mojo any day. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:10:46 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 26 21:33:14 2015. This is different. Strikes are expected and the weather still allows people to get around usually, even if by walking that people should often do anyway if possible.And anyway, since writing that, as has been noted elsewhere lawsuits may not even be necessary. I can see where key donors behind closed doors make it clear to Cuomo that shutting down the underground portions of the subway like that was unnecessary and unacceptable and if he did it again OTHER than a Sandy-like situation where flooding is a genuine issue, he would face having donations withheld from a potential Presidential campaign in 2020 or '24. I'm sure a lot of Wall Street CEOs are very PO'ed at Cuomo right now. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:19:45 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by The Silence on Mon Jan 26 20:53:36 2015. A Super Typhoon is a lot different:That's the equal of I believe a Category 5 Hurricane here and that is what Japan faced a couple of months ago (I was watching the Grand Prix of Japan F1 Race when this was about to hit there and a big deal was made about people being there for it in spite of impending Super Typhoon). That storm as I understand it was actually WORSE than Sandy was here and they didn't even stop for that storm all that much. Point is, this should NOT have been enough to shut the underground portions down, though the 2010 fiasco likely played a big part in why it was. I'm sure with the reduced totals there are going to be a lot of people PO'ed at Cuomo for shutting the system down and key donors may make it clear to him NEVER to do it again save for a Sandy-like situation. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 04:19:59 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jan 27 04:08:00 2015. Snow drifts at 67th Ave at 10-car marker already over 2 feet :) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 04:26:59 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 04:00:06 2015. I can see someone trying to use it against him. He really is a political coward. He did the same thing with fracking. There are issues with doing it safely; PA is dealing with those. But Cuomo just said no, which is so much easier politically. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 04:27:56 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 04:19:59 2015. Wow. As I posted on OTChat, nothing much here. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:40:02 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 26 21:24:32 2015. You definitely have a point on social media, however, what happened in 2010 all happened on the OUTDOOR portions of the line that should have been shut down WELL BEFORE those things happened. The underground portion is a different story.Actually, as noted elsewhere since, it turns out lawsuits may not be even necessary. Key donors who would be looking to help Cuomo if he runs for President could simply threaten to withhold funds from a Presidential campaign in 2020 or '24 unless Cuomo agrees to ONLY do a shutdown like this on the underground portions in the future if it's a Sandy-like situation where flooding of the tunnels is a potential major problem. Given this storm fizzled out quite a bit, I'm sure a lot of people right now are PO'ed at Cuomo for this and I'm sure Wall Street in particular is PO'ed. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:55:22 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 04:26:59 2015. Exactly:These days, (almost) ANYTHING sadly is fair game in that regard. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:59:25 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 26 21:37:45 2015. SOME people do (smartly) think the way your boss does and more should be like that.The problem is, not all of them do and some think you have to be in the office and you can't tell them otherwise (something I have learned from my experiences over time). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 05:04:25 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 26 20:36:32 2015. If the companies are willing to do that (as they should in this case).I'm sure some will hear about it though from others who don't like spending that money and think the Governor overdid it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 05:07:27 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 04:26:59 2015. Fracking is a big issue. It's environmental.I can't see subways being used against him. Nope. Not in a primary nor presidential. Subways should be running right now. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 05:15:04 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 05:07:27 2015. Subways should be running right now.And they're not because Cuomo is a political coward. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 05:55:33 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 05:15:04 2015. Exactly:I now suspect this closure had more to do with concerns the MTA would foul up, a lawsuit would come out of that and produce a sound byte that in 2020 or '24 a rival to Cuomo in a Presidential run uses that against Cuomo. In the dog-eat-dog/cutthroat world that politics is, I suspect Cuomo is well aware of how something like a lawsuit against the MTA caused by keeping the system open now could come back to haunt him in 2020/'24 if he runs for President and that played into it. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 05:57:45 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 05:07:27 2015. Lawsuits can, and yes, sadly, just about ANYTHING is fair game in the cutthroat world of politics, even subways. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Tue Jan 27 07:05:34 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 05:15:04 2015. "And they're not because Cuomo is a political coward."Or, as someone else opined, a political calculator. The shutdown was ordered because Princess Andrew believed there was a benefit to him. He's got plenty of spin practice and will attempt to spin this to his advantage. I was not aware that a snow shutdown was never done until recently, but am aware that the system is 100+ years old. With that info, I change my opinion to "this was done for BS, not out of wisdom". For the MTA alone, how much are the extra costs incurred by the shutdown? I'm guessing this costs the NYC economy a nine to ten figure amount, and far more tri-state, offset by the benefit to those who can afford it of having sorta vacation day. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 07:16:18 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 18:11:30 2015. Wallyhorse has made this comment about "normal media" and the 2010 storm several times. I really don't know what he means. I was watching one of the network morning shows on Christmas day. The local (Albany) weather guy was explaining that the models were wrong and the storm would be much bigger than forecast.I decided I would drive back to NYC on the morning of 12/26 instead of staying another night at my sister's. I was home by noon on 12/26 just as the snow was starting to stick. There was more than 24 hours notice before the storm hit. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 07:19:44 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by steamdriven on Tue Jan 27 07:05:34 2015. This was in my view clearly Cuomo protecting a potential Presidential bid in 2020 or '24, fearful that if the MTA screwed up and got sued it would be used against him in an ad campaign if he runs for President. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jan 27 08:18:38 2015, in response to All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 26 17:30:19 2015. Will The S.I.R.T. be running behind diesels, or is the accumulation low enough for 3Rd rail power? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jan 27 08:33:00 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 26 22:56:25 2015. Do they have all wool Lawsuits at MEN'S Warehouse? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 27 08:41:36 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:53:26 2015. We get "stray voltage" conditions in NYC all the time. Usually someone's dog gets blasted. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 08:48:54 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:58:36 2015. You do realize that Cuomo has hundreds of lawsuits pending against him right now. That comes with being the head of any large organization. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 08:49:36 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 01:59:46 2015. When even gold_12th thinks you're an idiot.... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 27 08:50:42 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 26 21:33:14 2015. Actually, there was at least one lawsuit arising from the last strike where someone was seriously injured by a shuttle bus provided by a bank to move employees in Manhattan. The plaintiff tried to include the TWU because the bus would not have been running if there was no strike. Anyone got a 9 letter word for "dismissed"? The case against the shuttle bus company proceeded, I do not remember the result. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 08:53:48 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 00:58:34 2015. Yes I am. That' how I know that you are insane, Wally. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 08:58:49 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:50:26 2015. But now he looks just as bad for having panicked over a minor snow storm. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 09:04:54 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 08:53:48 2015. Is Wally a badly programmed bot?One piece of evidence: He uses the term "normal media" over and over. I don't think I've ever seen that term used anywhere else. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 09:08:16 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 08:58:49 2015. Not in the same way:This would be a blip on the national radar as opposed to an MTA screwup where we have a repeat of 2010 with a lawsuit that could be used against him in attack ads long after it would be forgotten otherwise. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 09:10:11 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 27 08:41:36 2015. Yes, I remember those a few years ago in particular. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 09:11:36 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jan 27 08:33:00 2015. LOL!!!! |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 27 10:57:14 2015, in response to Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 26 18:58:05 2015. OT FOR EVERYBODY! lol Despite all of the announcements the subways were actually running. At least well after 11pm BC I was working but I suspect they ran all night BC dispatchers were still sending out crews for their normal intervals. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 27 11:12:54 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 08:58:49 2015. With Sunday service in effect, we still have the nonsense of no J service south of Chambers. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jan 27 11:28:02 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jan 27 08:18:38 2015. Well there are no "express tracks" or "underground" portions of the SIRT, and plenty of the roads on Staten Island need to be looked at so the buses can run. The buses on Staten Island being the major portion of the transit network here.I suppose that there's efforts to clear the tracks where needed, and service will resume to its usual glacial levels. The buses might take a while. Mike |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 11:28:38 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:06:47 2015. Who are these people who are going to have to work Sunday because they were off today? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 11:29:56 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:12:17 2015. Enough already |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 11:31:15 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 04:00:06 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 11:31:43 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 04:00:30 2015. You must have worked with all the people who feel that way. There aren't that many of them. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jan 27 11:40:40 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 04:00:06 2015. From a previous message:"The rest of America does not care about NYC subways and would not see it as an issue in primaries or general election." Definitely full agreement! Mike |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:04:53 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jan 26 21:26:04 2015. no, not really |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 12:05:37 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 27 02:22:54 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:06:20 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:12:17 2015. wrong |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:07:22 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:36:40 2015. wrong. just because you and others don't think the subways should be shut down doesn't mean your asinine reasoning makes sense. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:10:23 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 27 02:22:54 2015. The "Something else" is the Governor. He's the reason the subway shut down. NOT the MTA. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:10:44 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:30:53 2015. FINALLY YOU GET IT!!!!!! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 12:12:02 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 09:04:54 2015. Maybe "legacy media" is more appropriate. :-) |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:15:15 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 07:16:18 2015. Correct. Wally is and was 100% wrong. All the media was reporting that the storm would be bad. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 12:18:22 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 12:12:02 2015. I call it the traditional media. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 12:23:55 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:25:49 2015. It's possible they might apply pressure to Cuomo, if they feel they took unnecessary losses. Otherwise, you have to cite something in American law in order to justify a lawsuit which is at least similar to this situation.I sort of agree as to the reason why the MTA is doing it, they don't want another situation where a train with passengers gets stuck for DAYS. Better safe than sorry. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:29:57 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 27 12:18:22 2015. brick and mortar media |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Tue Jan 27 12:35:04 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 12:23:55 2015. What is the MTA "doing"? |
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