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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 13:36:18 2014, in response to Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:35:32 2014. Looks like somebody failed to measure once, cut twice. :) |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:38:54 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 13:36:18 2014. Incompetent fools were hired for the job.That would explain quite a bit about why the R1/9's didn't go out and get their moment in the spotlight. -Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 13:40:29 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:38:54 2014. And probably had some guard lights smashed in the process. :(There's standard "envelope" specs for tunnels. Didn't anyone check? Oh wait ... MTA wigs. Nevermind. :( |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:47:46 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 13:40:29 2014. If what you say is true, I'm sure some folks involved in the Museum would be pretty pissed off right about now...I am not speaking on anyone's behalf, just merely an opinion.We'll see how long that restriction stays in effect. That means...Cars with straight sides = NO DICE; Cars with the angled sides such as the R46/68/R143/R160 will run with no issues. -Stef |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Sep 26 13:57:30 2014, in response to Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:35:32 2014. lol |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 15:01:04 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 13:36:18 2014. Reminds me of the time in the early 1990s if I recall when the old So/Fy loop roadbed was redone. The morning after the concrete pour, the first train went through and hit the roof of the station. Service had to be turned at Rector while track dept crews had to come in and chip out the semi dried concrete, lower the roadbed and repour. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 26 15:05:21 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 15:01:04 2014. How about when the city brought back double decker buses about 30 yrs ago and they didn't clear the traffic lights. Or when Long Island Bus bought articulated buses which didn't fit in the spots at the Hempstead bus Terminal. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 26 15:22:41 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 15:01:04 2014. Yes, I remember that happening on the #1 train, meaning that the time spent during the repair was wasted because the repairs had to be done over! This was even covered in the New York city edition of Newsday!I may not be saying it correctly but isn't there a set of dimensions, a standard defined "train envelope" of measurements - that's supposed to be used - to determine that all of the standard trains can actually RUN on the tracks, tunnnels and structures? Mike |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Sep 26 16:48:59 2014, in response to Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:35:32 2014. Wow, so a 32s or 42s won't run in service on the N/R lines ever again.If a 42 has to go to CI for work it has to go via the M line rather the easy way though Broad Street. |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 17:12:54 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Sep 26 16:48:59 2014. R32's and 42's would have to run over the Manny B if going to Coney Island Yard. The Cut from Essex to Bway Laff seems really useful right about now.As for the question of whether or not the 32's and 42's will ever run on the N/R again, never say never...This isn't necessarily a permanent restriction, it just means that the issue will have to be corrected over time (relocate conduits?). -Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:23:34 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:47:46 2014. I recall hearing something on opening day about some cables getting pulled down as well. Anything's possible here. And yeah, that seems to be what it sounds like now that you've connected those dots. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:24:43 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 15:01:04 2014. Ever since MS-DOS and computers came along, seems nobody knows how to use a measuring tape anymore. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:26:16 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 26 15:05:21 2014. In television, whenever we had to send a remote truck out, the very FIRST thing we did was a "site survey" on everything involved where we'd measure anything we needed to work with or get into to make sure things fit before we signed off on doing the production at all. I'm flabbergasted. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:29:23 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 26 15:22:41 2014. One would think ... or at least put together a "feeler car" to be sure before running anything you'd worry about breaking through it.
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 17:37:24 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 26 15:22:41 2014. There should be, but what is surprising is that large cars with curved sides can fit through the tunnel yet smaller straight side cars can't. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 17:42:57 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 17:12:54 2014. Another thing crossed my mind. Before the MTA along with Prince Andrew publicly announced the opening of the tunnel ahead of time, proper clearance tests should have been made to insure that any piece of NYCTA equipment could operate through it without any problems. As for giving the contractors credit for completing the job early, since it was not PROPERLY completed, the contractor should be assessed a penalty. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:46:02 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 17:42:57 2014. I the contractor built everything to spec'd measurements on the drawing, then they're not to blame if "built to design." |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 26 17:46:51 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:26:16 2014. CLEARANCE DIAGRAMS! reminds me of the DS on the C&NW who routed the double stack down the wrong main on the West Side of Chicago. The top of an "high and wide" container emulated a sardine can at the restricting bridge. Couple of guys on the street. Know your train, know your lineup. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Sep 26 17:48:09 2014, in response to Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:35:32 2014. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:48:43 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 26 17:46:51 2014. Yeah, we've seen a few of those around here too. Gotta route them up to Mechanicville from Schenectady and down to Selkirk via Kenwood. And they don't fit so good there either. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 26 19:12:32 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:23:34 2014. Let's just hope it's only cables and/or conduits. :-( |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 26 19:29:49 2014, in response to Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:35:32 2014. Someone screwed up big time.Nobody made clearance drawings? Oh , what am I saying???? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Sep 26 19:53:43 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 13:36:18 2014. THATS WHAT THE MOILE SEZ. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 26 21:04:16 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:48:43 2014. Meadowbrook Pkway in East Meadow, right near me:
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Sep 26 21:36:59 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 26 17:42:57 2014. What's the problem? The R32/42's don't run through Montague and they'll both be gone in a few years. The 32's are normally maintained at 207 and can easily reach CIY via the D or F. The 42's are normally maintained at ENY and can reach CIY via Chrystie if need be. The important thing is the Montague tunnel appears to be working quite reliably. I observed it this past Saturday and it handled the N, Q and R quite well with no delays. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 23:28:35 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 26 19:12:32 2014. Given all the new cars they're expecting to buy, if it's anything major, the restriction will just be left there if the expense of fixing it is too high. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 23:29:17 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Sep 26 19:53:43 2014. Go to your room! :) |
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Posted by jabrams on Fri Sep 26 23:34:54 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by VictorM on Fri Sep 26 21:36:59 2014. What will happen with reroutes with a problem on the Manhattan Bridge? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 23:36:50 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 26 21:04:16 2014. Heh. I see some of Moses' best are still standing. Gotta love it. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 26 23:43:30 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by jabrams on Fri Sep 26 23:34:54 2014. Presumably,   = via Montague,   = fucked. None of those routes use R32s or R42s.
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:45:21 2014, in response to Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:35:32 2014. Oh, brother... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:47:05 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 17:24:43 2014. Never mind a slide rule. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:48:15 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 17:12:54 2014. The R-32s haven't run on the Norton for some time now. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:49:29 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 26 23:43:30 2014. There's always the Rutgers tunnel for either the Bob or Ted. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:50:11 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Sep 26 17:48:09 2014. Looks as if a train tried to peel out. |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 23:51:24 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:48:15 2014. I agree with you, but Transit is unpredictable. What might happen today isn't necessarily the case tomorrow.-Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 23:52:49 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:47:05 2014. I got a kick today out of a neighbor's kid. They saw an old Radio Shack calculator on my desk. Thin plastic one that had the number panel slightly raised? They wanted to know if it was a bent iphone. Lulz!And the Montague isn't even used for the Three Stooges division anymore! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 23:53:40 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 23:51:24 2014. And you never know for sure if the terminal you were planning to head to is the one you'll end up in either. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 26 23:56:51 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 26 23:49:29 2014. I doubt it— a B train that went through Rutgers would be unable to return to its normal route short of looping around Coney Island while a D would only be able to return at Coney Island itself.Since the Manhattan Bridge was closed recently, it seems the plan of choice is to simply shut down the D between 34th and Pacific and the B between 34th and Prospect Park. (Cue certain suspects calling for a rebuild to allow stranded B trains to run to Fulton Street.) |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 26 23:59:53 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 23:51:24 2014. If the R160s break down en masse as certain other car types were apparently prone to doing, they wouldn't run R32s on the N— they'd run and hide from the imminent arrival of pitchforks and torches and/or lower the fare to -$10 until everything started running again.What would happen, anyway? Does Chicago have some spare 2200s to cover the service in an emergency? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 27 00:15:20 2014, in response to Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 13:35:32 2014. Everybody is talking around here that this is a permanent catastrophe.Does anybody know how many locations are involved? NO. Does anybody know if the problems are being addressed? I did notice on the midnights that something has been going on somewhere as the N's have been rerouted over the MannyB. Is this being repaired to make the tube available to all equipment? Maybe, give it time. Does anybody know if this is going to be permanent? NO. Sure somebody messed up somewhere. Is somebody being held accountable? Maybe, but the walls in 2 Broadway are pretty thick. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 27 00:27:00 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 27 00:15:20 2014. Heh. I hear you. Still ... as an engineer myself, something like this should not have happened in the first place. The dimensions of subway cars have never changed since they were purchased, and I'll bet you were around when arnines got cut up to feel their way around for the incoming 44's. I'm not sure if the contractors messed up or the engineering people on the MTA end, but geez ... you're supposed to leave a few extra inches of leeway for bad springs on the trucks at least. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Sep 27 00:51:23 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by VictorM on Fri Sep 26 21:36:59 2014. There's one exception I didn't think of - if they retain some R32's or 42's for work or garbage duty, then they would have to increase Montague clearances. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 27 01:00:52 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by VictorM on Sat Sep 27 00:51:23 2014. No worries on that one at all. They can still use A division horses. |
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Posted by Stef on Sat Sep 27 01:15:56 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by VictorM on Sat Sep 27 00:51:23 2014. R32's for sure. I think the time is going to come when Transit will start looking into reducing the numbers of R33 Work Motors even further to a point where they will be non-existent. That time is NOW.-Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 27 01:17:36 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Sat Sep 27 01:15:56 2014. I have some faith that some 142's are gonna be "not worth fixing anymore" soon. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 27 10:32:17 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 23:52:49 2014. I see you've bought into that. Wayne already has.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 27 10:33:52 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 27 00:27:00 2014. Common sense has been legislated out of existence. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 27 10:35:30 2014, in response to Re: Are They Kidding?, posted by Stef on Fri Sep 26 23:51:24 2014. I will always associate the R-32s with the Norton for purely sentimental reasons. My very first subway ride was on an R-32 Norton. Plus they served that line for many years. |
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