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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 2 12:19:52 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 2 11:21:04 2014. The fumigation protocol is the TA's answer to a personnel problem. T/O's wanted to avoid a confrontation with passengers (usually drunk) who missed their stop. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 12:35:36 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 2 12:06:37 2014. The D was the Brighton local from 1988 to 2001. It was a Brighton local skip-stop from 1986 to 1988. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Sep 2 12:47:14 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 2 11:21:04 2014. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars on that video.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 14:50:01 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 21:13:44 2014. Whoa, back up! The Concourse line opened to 205th St on 7/01/1933. Yes, there was supposed to be a continuation of the line via Burke Ave, but, like the IND Utica expansion (south of Kings Hwy), it was to be elevated, east of 205th. When opposition mounted to the sections being elevated, both proposals were shelved. The last part of the NYW&B officially closed at 12:01AM, 01/01/38. After Unification, the City bought the Dyre line in 1940. And, yes, they used the funds that had not been spent on Burke Ave. I strongly suggest that you buy, "The Routes Not Taken", by Joseph B. Raskin, to get the entire story about Burke Ave and the Concourse line! |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 2 15:11:15 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 14:50:01 2014. And, what part of what I said did you not agree with? Unless I skipped something (like the Utica extension and Burke to have been elevated)There was opposition to that too, as you know. Hillside Homes and all that. The Burke line would have cost too much & would have takensome years (6) to be complete.And the NYW&B was already in place & set to go. Many felt that was not to their advantage and satisfied only the Westchester residents that lost a railroad. My statement about the Conco. line had nothing to do with its opening. From the time it was proposed and the time it opened, things changed. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 2 15:16:22 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 14:50:01 2014. Seeing what I wrote I did skip something. I stand corrected. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Tue Sep 2 16:48:15 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 1 20:52:18 2014. One question. Why would Hyland, as many on this board like to refer to, want to put the privates out of business, by tearing down the Jerome Avenue elevated line, or any other transit line/extension that was paid with NYC funds under the dual contracts?Put the private transit companies out of business to recapture the NYC paid for subway lines, possibly yes. As what eventually happened in 1940 under unification. When the BMT was supposedly approached to run what became know as the Independent Subway System, why the IND was never labeled the ISS after unification is only a guess, BMT management turned down the offer because the fare was to remained at five cents. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 2 17:04:39 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Handbrake on Tue Sep 2 16:48:15 2014. Not sure of Hylans intent to tear down the Jerome. The only time I ever recall the Jerome line being threatened to be torn down was in the 80's. Lots of media coverage.According to history, the powers that existed in the Bx at the time were very disenchanted with the Jerome el. Claim good property was wasted. Even back then the avenue was rife with garages and such. But, it did spur growth to the surrounding areas. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 2 17:16:24 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 2 11:31:39 2014. I worked right on the cusp - sometimes local, mostly express. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 2 17:22:20 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Handbrake on Tue Sep 2 16:48:15 2014. Wasn't stating the Jerome line in particular, he was after the companies themselves. The routes selected for the IND when it was about to be built though were based on taking away traffic from the other companies even though the city owned them. The thinking at the time was that elevateds were old and busted and had to go. So I would imagine with that logic that eventually they would have liked to have seen all of the elevateds go underground. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 19:24:36 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 2 15:16:22 2014. No problem! I had always felt that the Concourse line should have gone up to Gun Hill Road and turned east. They could have put in a station at Bainbridge Ave (for Montefiore Hospital) and White Plains Road/ Williamsbridge Square (transfer to the IRT). Just for starters. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Tue Sep 2 21:02:19 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 14:50:01 2014. An *elevated* extension? Interesting information; I'd like to know the whole story behind the Concourse extension plans as well. Guess I'm adding that book to my list of things to get...Visit my blog! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 2 22:36:55 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 19:24:36 2014. Actually, it runs the wrong way under Bainbridge. That woulda been one helluva sharp turn to go up the hill there. :)The tracks cross under Mosholu and head straight for Perry as built but that would definitely have been a useful route, but they wanted to hit Burke on the other side. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 2 23:08:34 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 2 22:36:55 2014. Actually, in hindsight, and living in this area, I'm happy it doesn't go all the way as planned. Generally, always get a seat.jrc |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 2 23:09:35 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Concourse Express on Tue Sep 2 21:02:19 2014. Get a powerful magnifying glass. The maps leave lots to be desired.jrc |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 2 23:23:51 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 2 23:08:34 2014. Heh. Always liked that about 205. Often, you'd get your own CAR for a little while anyway. :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 2 23:30:53 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 19:24:36 2014. It does serve Montefiore (2 blocks away.) |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Sep 3 06:02:08 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 2 19:24:36 2014. IAWTP as a IND B and D rider.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:29:55 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 2 23:30:53 2014. 5 |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 4 14:55:47 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Concourse Express on Tue Sep 2 21:02:19 2014. The Concourse Line, being 3 tracks, was unusual for the IND, where most express/local layouts were four tracks. Anyone have insight into why it was built the way it was? I don't recall it being discussed in "The Routes Not Taken".--Mark |
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Posted by Gene B. on Fri Sep 5 20:14:35 2014, in response to Bronx D Train Question, posted by Gene B. on Sat Aug 30 20:19:25 2014. Thank you all for your responses. A combination of many posts certainly explains the southbound delay at Bedford Park Blvd.However, my daughter rides northbound around 8AM and nobody seems to have a theory or explanation for the long delay at Kingsbridge Rd. Anyone have any ideas? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:35:31 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 4 14:55:47 2014. I read somewhere that Bronx residents were given a choice: either get a three-track line now or wait another year for additional funding for a four-track line. They chose the former. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:39:06 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 31 19:27:16 2014. Whoooops!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:42:48 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 1 13:31:23 2014. Maybe they didn't want to confuse an acronym with the BMT standards since they were known as the ABs. |
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Posted by quilldepot on Sat Sep 6 21:29:55 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:35:31 2014. Doesn't sound legit. By the way the IND operated, I'd assume they'd just wait another year. Also, that line was not meant to be a trunk line, more of a feeder to larger trunks. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 6 21:30:51 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:42:48 2014. Could be, but the BMT had its own unique set of terminology that might have seemed like a foreign language to crews on the other divisions. Put ins were called "put outs," layups were called "drop outs," M/M's indication was the "starting light," guard lights were "parking lights," the bypass button was the "door control cutout" or simply "door control" button. A train that was behind on a line with multiple services was "cut" or "cut out," train order signals were "holding lights" end doors (or storm doors) were "bulkhead doors" and interlocking approach signals were called "rear home" signals and second position C/Rs (or "rear guards" as called on the IRT and IND) were "second car men" just to name the terms I remember. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 6 21:35:20 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by quilldepot on Sat Sep 6 21:29:55 2014. Actually, that line was meant to be a trunk line. It was however supposed to connect to another trunk line coming from the SAS that was supposed to run under Alexander Av and Boston Rd. There was another Bx line also planned, but I can't recall it at the moment and interestingly, they were all supposed to have elevated portions at their outer ends. I never saw anything about the character of the other lines so I don't know if they were supposed to be 4 track or 3 track. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Sep 6 21:43:48 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 6 21:30:51 2014. All the historic details you provide to us here on the board are so valuable. I hope you are writing them all down in a book somewhere for future reference. There are too many details of pre-war (or even pre-1960) operations that have gotten lost in time, due to not being documented in detail by the BOT, TA, or MTA, being relegated only to the memories of old timers (no, you're not old!) that may not be passed down once they pass on. Like I've posted before, London's histories, are detailed "beyond belief" - see the London Underground Society's histories of the "COP" stock, unpainted original aluminum stock, and pictorial history (2 vols) of the Standard Tube stock. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 6 22:05:53 2014, in response to Re: Bronx D Train Question, posted by Express Rider on Sat Sep 6 21:43:48 2014. Much of what I quote here is already documented in several publications on the history of the NYCTS although I am not sure how many of them are still in print and I do know that some of them are not. |
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