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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 12 16:41:43 2013, in response to Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 11 01:07:03 2013. The provisions from the Queens IND line into the station we now know as Jamaica-Van Wyck was already in place with the original construction of the main line during the 1930's. As early as 1931 (and confirmed by a savings bank issued map in that year), plans were drawn up to have a stub-end terminal to be called "Jamaica-Hillside Avenues", but never were done.So, when the Archer Line began construction on August 15, 1972, its plans were able to incorporate the unused provisions east of the Briarwood-Van Wyck Boulevard station to a crossover point under Hillside Avenue. The standard IND incandescent lighting fixtures were installed in anticipation back then, but never used until they were finally energized and then lighted up when the route finally became active. -William A. Padron [">-89 Avenue / Jamaica Hospital->"] |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 12 17:05:37 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Graham on Thu Dec 12 11:57:39 2013. That's not how it's done. If the sponsoring agency (MTA) doesn't request funding, it won't be funded.Also, anyone can make requests on those websites. They don't check your citizenship! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 18:50:52 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Graham on Thu Dec 12 11:57:39 2013. change.org
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 12 19:28:56 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 12 06:47:03 2013. im sorry...but the people running the MTA at the time were deeply self involved..a continuous black eye..even the President of the USA at the time,Ronald Reagan,was EXTREMELY upset with them..cutting off ALL FUNDING until a full investigation is undertaken concerning the 63rd st..Second avenue..and Archer avenue subways. another reason the South Jamaica line never materialized was the dispute with the LIRR.The railroad didn't want to give up its trackage for long term construction..didn't want to give up its row at all. the money for the new routes plan dried up from various misuses..corruption..and plain ineptitude. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 12 19:30:27 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 07:09:52 2013. not so..the new routes fund was SEPARATE from the CAPITAL FUNDS.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 12 19:31:30 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 12 06:36:43 2013. Thats NOT the worst of it. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 19:39:08 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 12 06:49:55 2013. Actually, Bway/ENY and Euclid also opened up in my lifetime but like you, before I could develop any conscious memory of it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 19:41:55 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 12 11:09:35 2013. M32 = Q32 |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 19:42:12 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 12 16:41:43 2013. I din't know about the so called Jamaica-Hillside stub terminal but the Van Wyck extension was definitely supposed to go farther into south Queens. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 19:44:39 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 12 11:09:35 2013. Also:Q12A = Q79 Q44A = Q46 Q44FS = Q20 Q44VP = Q74 (RIP) Q44B = previously discontinued, would have become Q71 Q5A + Q5AB = Q85 (IINM this had already happened by 12/11/88) |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Dec 12 20:19:25 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 12 16:41:43 2013. When the (Briarwood) Van Wyck Blvd station on the E and F opened in1937, there used to be bellmouths located south of this station. This was for a proposed line down Van Wyck Blvd, as part of the IND second system. These have been since connected to the Archer Avenue Subway. The entire grade separated tunnels for tracks D1A and D2A were built as part of the Queens Blvd lines contract under Public Works Administration (PWA) project No. 2741 in 1935 and 1936. The original tunnel lighting was installed and operative. They were called tracks D5 and D6 in 1935-36 and were destined to terminate at Rockaway Blvd. The tunnel was built originally from the (Briarwood) Van Wyck Blvd station to the middle of the present interlocking just north of the Jamaica-Van Wyck station. When the Archer Avenue Extension was added the original tunnel was left original except for the addition of ties and track. I figured the provision for the Van Wyck Blvd./ Archer Ave. line south of the Van Wyck Blvd (Briarwood) station was built at the same time as the rest of the Queens Blvd line. It made things a whole lot easier when construction on the Archer Ave. line began in 1972. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 12 20:19:35 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 19:42:12 2013. yeah..it was included in the first design plans..by our "master builder" had the work stopped totally for his planned Van Wyck Exp..so all efforts were moved to the Hillside and Worlds Fair branches. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 12 20:19:56 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 19:42:12 2013. yeah..it was included in the first design plans..but our "master builder" had the work stopped totally for his planned Van Wyck Exp..so all efforts were moved to the Hillside and Worlds Fair branches. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 21:40:06 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 12 19:30:27 2013. On paper. But the MTA gets it's money from one source. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 21:45:30 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 12 20:19:35 2013. It's odd the IND planned a diverging route between two local stations. You only see that at 36th St, where 63rd St trains diverge. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 21:50:54 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Dec 12 08:44:46 2013. There were lots of redbirds on the J/Z when it first opened, but they were quickly moved to the M and L as the MTA wanted nothing but newly overhauled R42's on the line. They heavily promoted the J/Z train as an alternative for southern Queens riders headed for lower Manhattan by touting the time savings (over using the E). It was initially very successful. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 22:15:15 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 21:50:54 2013. When the J/Z first started, all trains on that line had to be GOH so a GOHed R-30 would go to the line before a non GOH R-42. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 22:17:07 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 21:45:30 2013. The bellmouths at 63 Dr were in a similar position. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Dec 13 03:06:23 2013, in response to Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 11 01:07:03 2013. Around 1985 or so, the E.R.A. had a walking tour of the Archer Ave Subway on both levels before the subway opened. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Dec 13 04:51:32 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 21:50:54 2013. The J line was the showcase line when Archer opened. The priority was to get the newly delivered GOH R42's over there, both M/K and CI rebuilds. Redbirds held down the balance, prioritized on the Z.As time went on, M/K R42's became the norm, till the 100 R40M's came in. At that time the line super wanted them so they became the dominant equipment on the line with the M/K R42 supplying the balance. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 13 07:10:54 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Dec 13 04:51:32 2013. The R30's went fast. Can't remember seeing a single one on the line after mid January 1989. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Dec 13 13:00:16 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 13 07:10:54 2013. Guess they all went to the C, I remember seeing some on the C when I was in town in July 1991. That visit was somewhat iconic for me, my last time seeing R-30s and last time seeing (and riding) Fishbowls in NYC (even got a 5000 (TDH-5303!) on the M15 Limited). |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Dec 13 14:54:02 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 19:42:12 2013. it was supposed to go to van wyck & 120 ave where it was supposed to link up with a line coming from Brooklyn.where was the info obtained about a terminal station beyond the van wyck stub? I haven`t read anything on that. moses had nothing to do with stopping the southeren ext.lack of $$$$$$$$$$ stopped it.he did block a proposal to have the ind.run down the center median of the van wyck exp.to idlewild airport.this is around 1950. |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Dec 13 15:09:48 2013, in response to Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 11 01:07:03 2013. I often use the Sutphin-Archer station. Three things catch my attention:1) The afternoon crowd that gets off an outbound E and goes downstairs to catch an inbound J. I suspect they are heading to stations in the first two miles of the inbound J, a trip that might ordinarily require a wait for a bus. --- 2) The airport travelers on the E. --- 3) The standard wait of E trains trying to enter the Parsons terminal and holding at Archer for a clear track. Joe |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 13 15:25:00 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 07:16:41 2013. I think those bus renamings made sense. Much easier to understand a distinct number instead of Q-something-A.... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 13 15:26:44 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 12 07:13:31 2013. And even today, with the internet and smartphones and all that, the same thing would happen, I'm sure. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 13 15:28:56 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 12 11:09:35 2013. Changing the B58 to the Q58 was eminently sensible, as the route doesn't serve any stops actually in Brooklyn. It gets really close on Wyckoff Avenue- but it's still on the Queens side. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Dec 13 17:35:51 2013, in response to Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 11 01:07:03 2013. Now those stations look like a dungeon. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 13 20:24:56 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Dec 13 13:00:16 2013. Most of the R30's stayed east until all the R40M's were back from GOH. There were some R27's that got painted red in 1989 and were used on the C for a short time, but the R10's still ruled the C line well into 1989. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 13 20:29:01 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Dec 13 14:54:02 2013. he had plenty to do with it... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 13 20:38:44 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Dec 13 04:51:32 2013. i was impressed like heck to see R40M in service along the Eastern lines. never in a million years did i ever think they would bring them there.the first time i saw the 42s[rebuilt] was in L service..all of them were there that particular day it seemed..with the J JUST ABOUT ALL R30/A and the M hanging on to a few 16's. didnt get to hang around much..had to go back to Maryland. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Dec 13 21:26:47 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Joe on Fri Dec 13 15:09:48 2013. Yes, passengers along the Jamaica Avenue corridor through Woodhaven and Richmond Hill seem to prefer to go out of the way to Jamaica to transfer to the Manhattan-bound E rather than ride the J/Z through Brooklyn into Manhattan. The fact that the E goes to Midtown probably has a lot to do with that.Of course, now it's possible for weekday Jamaica/Broadway-Brooklyn riders to reach Midtown via a same-platform transfer to the M at Essex Street. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Dec 13 21:28:12 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 13 20:24:56 2013. The last time I saw an R30 on the L was in July 1990. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 13 21:47:36 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Howard Fein on Fri Dec 13 21:26:47 2013. It's faster to points north of Penn Station than the A, and the fact that Parsons is the first stop means the can be guaranteed a seat. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Dec 13 22:28:51 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 13 20:29:01 2013. the first proposal? if so,proof please. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 13 22:30:10 2013, in response to Re: Archer Avenue Subway - 25th Anniversary, posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 12 19:39:08 2013. Put it this way: I was born some five months after the IND expanded to the Rockaways and 19 days after streetcar service ended in Brooklyn. |
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