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1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012

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Found here.



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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 16 12:45:01 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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thats park row.any photos of the inside of sands st? both the loop
Thats park row.any photos of the interior of sands st,both the loop & lower level?















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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by chud1 on Sat Jun 16 13:46:25 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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A+ on this picture.
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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 14:06:53 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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Wait, so there were two sets of platforms? I know the station was lengthened almost until it was touching the IRT City Hall terminal, but I did not know it was configured like this. If the date is accurate, we are seeing the terminal at the height of it's use, when it was the only rapid transit connection between NY and Broooklyn outside the Williamsburg Bridge terminal at Essex St.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 16 14:10:36 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 14:06:53 2012.

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Which opened in 1908, so no "outside."

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 14:12:48 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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Great stuff. I kinda suspect #13 was Mafia related.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 14:17:32 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 16 14:10:36 2012.

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I thought the expansion was done shortly after electrification.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jun 16 14:32:16 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 14:06:53 2012.

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It does look very odd. Does anyone know how this station operated, and why there were the two sets of platforms, or rather the single island platform at the very end, and the "express station" layout of two island platforms before that? It looks like trains which arrived on the inbound "local" track would have to leave on the outbound "express" track, and vice versa.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 16 14:51:44 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jun 16 14:32:16 2012.

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Maybe it was arrivals and departures. I always found the maze of tracks approaching Sands Street to be very confusing as to which service did what. Too bad it has all been destroyed.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 15:01:55 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 16 14:51:44 2012.

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That's a possibility. Given the crush loading these trains would have suffered, it's probable that you could not load and unload trains at the same platform. That would also explain why the front platform is PACKED and the foreground one is relatively empty. Remember that 1907 was the year before the IRT tunnel to Brooklyn opened. Not only do you have the entire BRT el and surface lines feeding the station, you also had LIRR passengers using it to get from the Flatbush Ave terminal.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 16 15:15:44 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 16 12:45:01 2012.

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Interior photos of Sands St, the Sands St loop, and Fulton Ferry are rare. I think I saw one or two of Sands St interior years ago.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 16 15:20:05 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 16 12:45:01 2012.

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Interior photos of Sands St, the Sands St loop, and Fulton Ferry are very rare. I think I saw one or two of Sands St interior years ago. Anyone know which street is shown in #18- the play street with the el in the backround?

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 15:27:14 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 16 15:15:44 2012.

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Every one I've seen is from outside. Sad, because Sands St was far more complex than Park Row.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 16 15:46:06 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 15:27:14 2012.

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Would loved to have seen those interior stairways and mezzanines! Come to think of it, not too many shots of Park Row exist, showing interiors under the platforms!

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Dave on Sat Jun 16 16:02:22 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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Great photo! What subway yard is in #32?

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 16:05:18 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Dave on Sat Jun 16 16:02:22 2012.

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Best guess: 207th St.

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Municipal Archives

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 16:10:05 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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Well, there goes my afternoon:

http://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/view/search?q==%22Railways%22

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Re: Municipal Archives

Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 16:54:10 2012, in response to Municipal Archives, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 16:10:05 2012.

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how about week?

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 16 17:22:23 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jun 16 14:32:16 2012.

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Here's a thread that answers some of the questions.

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Re: Municipal Archives

Posted by Dave on Sat Jun 16 17:25:13 2012, in response to Municipal Archives, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 16:10:05 2012.

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But what a way to spend an afternoon!

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Re: Municipal Archives

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 17:31:07 2012, in response to Re: Municipal Archives, posted by Dave on Sat Jun 16 17:25:13 2012.

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I'm currently going through the 1000+ pictures labeled Jamaica Ave. There's a boatload taken IN Jamaica, all in the 1980's (no el). Oh well.

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Re: Municipal Archives

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 17:39:01 2012, in response to Re: Municipal Archives, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 17:31:07 2012.

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HA, I found my house, circa 1983-86:

Not sure about what that arrow means

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Re: Municipal Archives

Posted by xtimx on Sat Jun 16 19:48:55 2012, in response to Re: Municipal Archives, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 17:39:01 2012.

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Someone found Waldo.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jun 16 21:40:26 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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It's really plain(there's no fixtures or anything) yet clean.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 21:54:21 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 16 17:22:23 2012.

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What a strange layout. It looks like it actually overcomplicates movements. During rush hour, train headways in or out of Park Row were probably measured in seconds.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 16 22:09:45 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 21:54:21 2012.

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They did the best they could with the space they had.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 22:25:10 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 16 22:09:45 2012.

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Bulit the way it was originally so that locomotives could do a runaround. That's actually a rather useful design when considering what the original thought was ...

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Asgard on Sun Jun 17 01:32:12 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 22:25:10 2012.

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Locomotives didn't haul trains over the bridge. The bridge railway was cable, then electric (with some overlap).

There were steam switchers in cable days, but always at the west end of trains. Incoming trains coasted from the end of cable into the terminal; the locomotives pushed them (without coupling to the train) from the terminal out to the start of the cable; then reversed back into the terminal.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 17 02:14:15 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Asgard on Sun Jun 17 01:32:12 2012.

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Yep ... should have detailed it more, but didn't expect to need to. But what I meant was that the Y's to the west were intended for steam ... that concept has been done elsewhere.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jun 17 09:27:32 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Asgard on Sun Jun 17 01:32:12 2012.

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locomotives DID pull trains over the bridge when the cable was down for repairs.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 17 09:41:04 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jun 17 09:27:32 2012.

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They regularly did so in the "wee hours" during cable maintenance.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 17 13:10:37 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 17 02:14:15 2012.

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La Salle St Station, Chicago had "escape" crossovers.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:21:58 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Asgard on Sun Jun 17 01:32:12 2012.

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They sure did:



This is an interesting picture. Is this engine "pushing" the train across the bridge? Or does it look like that's a steam engine rescuing a stranded cable car? Sorta looks like there's some work being done at track level and there's some lookie-loos checking out the hubub.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 13:39:57 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:21:58 2012.

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The engines pushed the train up to the point where it could pick up the cable.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:41:04 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 13:39:57 2012.

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So they did a manual move like that for EVERY train?

Man, labor was CHEAP back then.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 17 14:01:08 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:41:04 2012.

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yes, there were nearly zero safety/health/pension/job security rules & a steady stream of expendable immigrants.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jun 17 14:06:39 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:41:04 2012.

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Yes, they did. Despite Washington Roebling's claims, it was deemed safer if the steam engines just pushed the cable cars to/from the cable accesses. The locos ran over the bridge by themselvs to get to/from the Bridge Yard.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Jun 17 14:20:44 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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How'd they get away with tearing this marvel down?

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 14:39:38 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Jun 17 14:20:44 2012.

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It didn't look like this by 1944. It saw most of it's service lost after municipal takeover. IIRC there was also a fire which damaged it, hastening it's demise. Even during the height of WWII, few people still used it. They also wanted to clear the mess on the other side of the bridge to finish Cadman Plaza.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 17 16:24:37 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Jun 17 14:20:44 2012.

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How did they get to tear Penn Station down, two decades later?

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 17 17:23:44 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 17 13:10:37 2012.

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THAT'S the name I was looking for! Thanks! :)

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jun 17 17:28:12 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Jun 17 14:20:44 2012.

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Park Row was built- and torn down- in sections. On March 31st, 1935, the rear extension and the 2 tracks on the north platform were closed and removed later that year. The demolition was part of the City's plan to improve the Park Row area around City Hall. Also, ridership on the older Brooklyn els had declined, as people chose to take the subways to Manhattan. So, Park Row service continued with just the Lexington and Fulton els running to the 2 south platform tracks of the terminal. As previously mentioned here, Fulton and 5th Ave el service ended on 6/01/40, leaving just the Myrtle and Lexington lines to cross the bridge. During the war, in 1943, the City wanted to stop service and cut Myrtle/lex service back. But, wartime federal bureaucracy delayed the closing until March 5th, 1944. The remaining Park Row structure was demolished in the summer of 1944, along with Sands Street and Adams Street in brooklyn.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 17 18:58:18 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 17 16:24:37 2012.

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Easy!! MONEY!!! Lot's of money!!!

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jun 17 19:16:38 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:21:58 2012.

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notice there`s no 3rd.rail.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 19:23:40 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jun 17 19:16:38 2012.

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Yep, I can see the cable mechanism on the other track.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 17 23:27:04 2012, in response to 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by thetzar on Sat Jun 16 12:28:01 2012.

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What a shot that is!

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 18 02:09:55 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 14:17:32 2012.

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I meant that Essex was opened in 1908. So for 1907 there was no need to modify your statement.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 18 02:11:03 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jun 17 17:28:12 2012.

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Judging from that vaulted ceiling, cutting away more than half of it must have been ugly (in more ways than one).

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 18 04:25:21 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jun 16 21:40:26 2012.

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Dunno, I think it looks pretty good to me, considering how most later outdoor subway stations and terminals (even the previous Coney Island terminal) seemed to be quite a bit less elaborate.

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Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives.

Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 18 11:28:10 2012, in response to Re: 1907: Interior of the Brooklyn Bridge el station, from the Municipal Archives., posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 18 04:25:21 2012.

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It was an amazing structure, something I'm sure you remember being impressed with, not like (for example) the current Penn Station.

I still remember my first ever visit to Penn, and how awesome it was.

Same with some of the great London train sheds, or old Readng terminal, or even CNJ terminal in Jersey City. You felt like you were at the portal of something interesting.

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