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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011 OK..so much expression of tastes....so show us your idea of a CURRENTLY RUNNING EMU design.D. Harrison |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Sep 6 11:46:46 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011.  |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Sep 6 11:48:30 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Sep 6 11:46:46 2011. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Sep 6 11:59:33 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011. I think hands down still the best looking current EMU design running the rails ever!! The Metropolitan and Cosmopolitan M-Series (M-1/1A thru M-6)I will even give you a little of each!! Metropolitan Series: M-1A (Sadly I do not have my own photos of LIRR M-1s, but MNR's M-1A and LIRR M-1s look pretty much identical)  LIRR M-3  MNR M-3A (unrefurbished)  MNR M-3A (refurbished)  Cosmopolitan Series: MNR M-2  MNR M-4  MNR M-6  Though I do like the M-7/7As and M-8s (their designs grew on me), the Metropolitans and Cosmopolitans are the best of all time IMHO!! |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Sep 6 12:53:16 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Sep 6 11:59:33 2011. I'll second your vote (despite my earlier post that was "for the birds"!) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011. Although no longer on non-stopper "Nozomi" service and demoted to semi-fast and stopper runs, I still think the 500 series is the Shinkansen with the best design. Just like the very first 0 series excited people of my generation when we were kids, kids growing up in the later half of the nineties must have gone "Wow!" for these, railfans and non-railfans alike.  It can even turn an American (or Canadian, maybe) girl into an instant foamer! (f-word warning) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 6 16:43:50 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011. It looks like a DEEP OCEAN Creature or a sex toy!avid |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Sep 6 17:51:54 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Sep 6 11:46:46 2011. Haha!!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 18:14:32 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011. I still think the 500 series is the Shinkansen with the best designThat's pretty much one of the few reasons to visit Japan. Most Japanese rolling stock tends to look rather bland compared to Europe... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Sep 6 18:50:15 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 18:14:32 2011. Most Japanese rolling stock tends to look rather bland compared to Europe...For HSR I agree, but their commuter stuff is definitely not bland, far more exciting exterior design than some of the most recent US offerings (Comet V, M7). |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 18:57:31 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Sep 6 18:50:15 2011. In contrast, I think the Shinkansens are the best looking of their rolling stock, while some of the commuter rail and Tokyo Metro stuff looks like the bland boxes many of the NYCTA foamers acuse the MTA of purchasing. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Sep 6 19:48:16 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011. AWSOME! |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 20:08:25 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011. There are too many favourites, yet not one that beats out the others. Here are some favourites from a purely aesthetic perspective.SNCF X50000  SJ X31  Class 375s  |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 21:57:12 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011. OKay..I must admit I made a big-big mistake....I got tripped up on the definition of "EMU."I had hoped only for submissions of equipment that operate either as single units or in married pairs like the Metra Electrics and the NICTD cars.... and have the capability to operate in trains of varying length, like shorter trains for off peak hours and longer trains for rush hours. The cars should also have end doors permitting movement from car to car. Of course these restrictions limit what the designers can do with the ends of the cars which is part of constraints the Metra and the NICTD designers had to contend with. If you choose to, please resubmit if your entry didn't fit the "new guidelines." In closing....my mistake. David Harrison |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Sep 6 22:09:17 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 21:57:12 2011. I had hoped only for submissions of equipment that operate either as single units or in married pairs like the Metra Electrics and the NICTD cars.... and have the capability to operate in trains of varying length, like shorter trains for off peak hours and longer trains for rush hours. The cars should also have end doors permitting movement from car to car.Since when does any of that have to do with the definition of an electric multiple unit? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 6 22:13:43 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by WillD on Tue Sep 6 22:09:17 2011. I agree. But in fairness he did admit that it was his mistake. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 22:24:37 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 21:57:12 2011. If you choose to, please resubmit if your entry didn't fit the "new guidelines."Then you're not going to get much in terms of options as there aren't that many FRA-legal electric multiple units on the market. Other than Metra's slugs, it's basically the Metropolitans and their Cosmopolitan siblings or the Silverliner & Arrow family. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Sep 6 22:25:47 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Sep 6 11:59:33 2011. Did you know the M-1s came equipped with ATO and a 100mph design speed? They were a fantastic design. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 22:30:42 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 6 16:43:50 2011. Well... If you think about it, they're all trying to achieve the same effect. Smooth and fast ride but not to the point you can't control it. It's logical they look alike (planes and spacecrafts too). :P |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 22:33:54 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 6 22:13:43 2011. Thank you Terrapin Station. I did admit my mistake. Come'on WillD...give me a break!D. Harrison |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Sep 6 22:48:17 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011. It's too bad the Talgo 22 wasn't selected by anyone, because the full-length bilevel articulated design was probably one of the most impressive designs to be created of late. It's too bad we couldn't get something like this for Metra's Rock Island or Milwaukee lines. The Omneo is an equally interesting concept from Bombardier, and potentially illustrates a manner in which a bilevel EMU can operate with the sort of turnover seen in RER or S-bahn networks while not being devoid of seats for longer distance passengers. This illustration, from Mr. Tillier at the Caltrain-HSR compatibility blog, shows a door layout which includes multilevel doors to accommodate multiple platform heights. ![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XbahXM_YRqg/TPCQfN_bglI/AAAAAAAAAd0/xeyIsb9M63Y/s1600/omneo_sketch.png") The Swedish push to improve their high speed rails has resulted in the Gröna Tåget, which includes a number of really cutting edge improvements on the Bombardier Regina. Like the Regina the Gröna Tåget will allow full accessibility at various platform heights. Except that the Gröna Tåget will replace the Regina's internal wheelchair lift at the low door with a full moving floor to adjust to various platform heights. The test train:  But if I had to pick one EMU design I'd probably stick with the Neumeister designed counterpart to the Shinkansen Series 500 posted earlier. The Velaro E remains the fastest unmodified train, and it's by far and away one of the best trains I've had the pleasure of riding. IMHO RENFE's ads for their AVE Class 103 units are also some of the best for a rail system around. And besides, the Velaro looks *really* good in the proposed CHSRA Blue and Gold paint scheme: 
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 22:58:56 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 18:57:31 2011. Since most commuter rail around Tokyo are run like rapid transit elsewhere, you don't get that luxury unless you pay premium fares. Most lines around Tokyo have rush-only express trains with reserved seats and bar cart service. Even Tokyo Metro runs some for the through trains to Odakyu Railway.Here's one at Tokyo Metro's Kasumigaseki station:  And Shinkansen's stoppers are really mid-to-long distance commuter trains during rush, not regional trains. Of course that has to do with long time Japanese customs where employers generally still pay full-time employees' commute expenses. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 23:01:15 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 20:08:25 2011. How can you like Class 375 and not Class 442 Wessex units? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 6 23:09:48 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011. Sorry, but that angle for those 500 series bullet train pix are just too reminiscent of certain sea snakes (compare the olive sea snake) . . .  |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Sep 6 23:51:53 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 6 22:13:43 2011. Crikey! |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Sep 7 10:06:23 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 6 22:24:37 2011. Which was a part of my original, if misguided intent....to show the difficulty of designing EMU cars that have to be coupled and uncoupled in normal operation with provisions for an operator/motorman at at least one end. But several here still ignore my correction or maybe they really can't find cars that match Metra Electric and NICTD cars.D. Harrison |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:26:09 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Sep 6 12:53:16 2011. To be honest, I still have not seen any EMU to date whose design looks better!! And as much as I am a fan of the M-8 and M-7/7A, nothing has surpassed the MTA Metropolitan and Cosmopolitan Series. And Budd, GE/Vickers, Tokyu and Morrison-Knudsen did a fine job in their design. As for reliability in operation, the MKs and Tokyu triplets suck massively (EPIC FAILS). Budd and GE/Vickers definitely won!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:26:50 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Sep 6 22:25:47 2011. I thought their design speed was 120 MPH??? |
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Posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 10:44:49 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Sep 7 10:06:23 2011. I'm not sure for other countries, but British EMU are designed with coupling and decoupling in mind. Their 3-car/4-car sets are coupled and decoupled during operational hours (longer sets in rush hours if possible, shorter sets at other times) and that flexibility is built into some of their designs such as end vestibules for Southern region EMUs such as Class 375, which personally I don't find them particularly beautiful even though that supposed to be the apex of British EMU design! |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Sep 7 10:45:05 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011. That is an AWESOME design! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:49:12 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011. That design looks like a railcar designer who had hoped to be an aeronautical designer conjured it up. Thumbs down!!!! I just cannot see that as a commuter EMU design |
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Posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 10:56:01 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:49:12 2011. Well, Series 500 is NOT design to be a Commuter EMU anyway. And Japanese Shinkansen has always taken aeronautical designs for design trains since their first train Series 0, otherwise how did that bullet train front come about! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:57:33 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 10:56:01 2011. For high speed, fast railroading, those designs are definitely winners. I was always partial top the TGV designs dating all the way back to the early orange TGV trains. |
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Posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 11:06:16 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:57:33 2011. Pst... Alas Japanese has stopped using such aerodynamically sleek design for their later bullet trains due to hugh production cost for circular cross section and tighter noise regulation. They end up looking like platypus to provide constant rate of change in front to mitigate micro-pressure booms in tunnel bellmouth and regular cross section for sizeable production. |
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Posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 11:06:27 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:57:33 2011. Pst... Alas Japanese has stopped using such aerodynamically sleek design for their later bullet trains due to hugh production cost for circular cross section and tighter noise regulation. They end up looking like platypus to provide constant rate of change in front to mitigate micro-pressure booms in tunnel bellmouth and regular cross section for sizeable production. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Sep 7 11:20:00 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 10:44:49 2011. Which is the crux of most viewers here on SubChat...cars that have end vestibules, cars that have control cabs, cars that can be directly coupled to other cars are mostly discredited, thought of as "ugly.""flexibility is built into some of their designs such as end vestibules for Southern region EMUs such as Class 375, which personally I don't find them particularly beautiful even though that supposed to be the apex of British EMU design! " I don't know what JoeV wants. Vestibule doors are for function, not just for looks. The doors aren't needed for crew purposes when the control cab is on the upper level and you can only reach that cab from the stairwell in the middle of the car. "METRA was quite anal is making their MU's be just like gallery cab cars. They took this to the ridiculous extreme of leaving out the end vestibule door. At least NICTD (and the future Metra order) corrected that." D. Harrison |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Sep 7 13:22:19 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Sep 7 11:20:00 2011. There are almost no commuter style trains in Tokyo that you can ride without paying a premium fare in Tokyo. They all became rapid transit style trains in the course of the 80s and 90s.But there are some that might pass your qualifications if you don't mind the extra fare and the fact that they are triplets or longer units. The other end of the Odakyu 60000 series that I've shown in another post looks like this so two units can couple/decouple mid-trip.  Then there's Narita Express which serves the airport. Here's the old order, retired last year.  They also couple/uncouple mid-trip.  Here's the new order, introduced last year. The black part in the front opens up for a diaphragm connection so people can pass through, just like the two previous rolling stock. In the case of the two Narita Express stock, the connection is motorized and semi-automated.  The only remaining rolling stock in Tokyo that are married pairs (actually driving motor and driving trailer) and does not charge extra fare is probably the Tobu 6050 series. They usually start in Tokyo as six-car set and most of them are decoupled mid-trip to reach three different destinations as two-car sets. But being of 1985 vintage, they look kinda dated.  |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Sep 7 13:28:31 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 10:56:01 2011. The shorter stopper runs on Shinkansen lines are really commuter runs so in a way, they can be considered "commuter trains". Monthly passes are sold too. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Sep 7 13:29:40 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 11:06:27 2011. IIRC, it was more about losing inside space that they stopped using the circular form. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Sep 7 13:35:49 2011, in response to Re:Oops! Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Sep 7 11:20:00 2011. I forgot to post this pic of the 60000 series that shows the connection between two cars with cabs.
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Sep 7 13:52:28 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 6 16:34:34 2011. That is a very attractive-looking train. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 7 17:44:53 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Sep 7 10:26:50 2011. They were only equipped with a 100mph ASC code. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 7 18:20:33 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011. Okay, I'll bite. I LIKE the looks of the M 8s. In the nostalgia category, the SL IIs, IIIs, and the NICTD power cars. I dislike the trailers because of the sealed off center doors. The Highliner IIs/NICTD 300s...okay, nothing special. |
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Posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 19:49:58 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Sep 7 13:29:40 2011. Ah, you reminded me how cramp the 500 series is inside the train. It's just like narrow body aircraft with 5-a-breast seating in ordinary class!Mismatching number of seats and doors also preclude 500 series from using JR Central tracks after enough 700 series trainsets are bought. And thus being relegated to slower services in JR West rails (since 500 series is their train.) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Sep 7 22:38:07 2011, in response to Re: Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by 28481k on Wed Sep 7 19:49:58 2011. Mismatching number of seats and doors also preclude 500 series from using JR Central tracks after enough 700 series trainsets are bought.Yes. All the Nozomis are now run with N700 series and the 500 are only assigned to JR West territory. |
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Posted by The I Man on Fri Sep 9 19:01:36 2011, in response to Readers' Choice Best Current EMU Design, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Sep 6 10:47:38 2011. My favorite british rail class 175's. |
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