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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:38:01 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 10:44:55 2011. Anyone see her on TV last year? . She recorded all those messages in three weeks. She lives in Manhattan and is trying to become a professional singer. She wants to be remembered for her voice but not for the GPS announcements. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:41:14 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 11:56:15 2011. My friend and I once got lost with OnStar too in Florida. I happened to have my video camera on at the time while my friend was driving and when I played it back I saw the place where she told us to make a right when she should have said left. We had to call my friend for the right directions when we ended up 3 miles from where we should have been. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:41:14 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 11:56:15 2011. My friend and I once got lost with OnStar too in Florida. I happened to have my video camera on at the time while my friend was driving and when I played it back I saw the place where she told us to make a right when she should have said left. We had to call my friend for the right directions when we ended up 3 miles from where we should have been. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:59:34 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 4 09:23:26 2011. I agree with you that common sense and orientation skills are most important. However when you are in a new area and the road starts twisting and turning, it is easy to lose your orientation. The fact that you were there before helped you. My point was that good signage is needed primary for people who are somewhere for the first time.The only reason I mentioned the first example about turning into the East River is because of the post saying that all you have to do is follow the GPS and you won't have problems because you don't need the signs. That's just not true. The other example was when I was testing the GPS in my own neighborhood. It was constantly messing up. It told me to turn left when there was a barrier peventing a left turn. Another time it said turn left in front of a No Left Turn sign. A third time it told me to make a right on the wrong side of a divided road where traffic was going in the opposite direction. I knew that it was a two way street when the GPS thought it was one-way. Had it been dark and I didn't know it was two way I could have gotten into a head on collision by listening to it. Also, a few blocks later it steered me down a side street instead of the main road because the side street was at a slight angle and perhaps .001 mile shorter. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:01:39 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 11:31:06 2011. But they could give you a mileage number next to the city. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:06:30 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 11:35:35 2011. It was several years ago. I can't remember exactly what happened. But I am very good with maps. Again I only mentioned it because of the post saying you don't need good signage when you have a GPS. You just proved my point. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:08:14 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 11:49:23 2011. I also try to look at the turns with Google Maps before I leave. That helps a lot also. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:10:28 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 4 12:20:47 2011. Sounds like directions a woman would give. Men tend to use street names while women use buildings and landmarks. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:12:15 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by brightonr68 on Thu Aug 4 11:53:13 2011. Not true. What about my example about a bridge being out and the GPS not knowing about it? You will always need good signs. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:15:42 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Mr RT on Thu Aug 4 12:54:32 2011. Still don't understand. If they are unfamiliar with the roads, chances are they wouldn't remember what the old signs said anyway. And if it their first time visiting, the old signs definitely wouldn't matter. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:16:59 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 15:46:40 2011. Who said anything about a Garmin? We were talking about the sign for the Verrazano Bridge. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 4 19:20:48 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:10:28 2011. Many people take their surrounding neighborhood for granted and do not memorize street names. They know how to get around visually but they cannot name the streets that take them there |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:26:29 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 11:41:09 2011. I see your point about predominant flow but the example I was referring to about the exit on the left referred to northbound traffic not southbound where the exit numbers are continuous. I see the traffic evenly split when I'm there. I'm not so sure the predominant flow is toward Long Island. It's confusing to go left when you are going right. The same is true when the Belt splits off from the BQE and there the predominant flow is on the right. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:28:18 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 09:16:52 2011. Funny this is Subchat but everyone is interested in highway signage, not subway signage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:48:41 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:01:39 2011. That's not what control cities are for. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:50:39 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:16:59 2011. You said: "My Garmin is just great. I turn it on when I need a good laugh. It tells me to turn right on the FDR Doctor. I finally figured out what it was trying to say."Terrapin's response: "It took you that long??? I figured it out the first time it did it!" Your response: "I meant I figured it out several years after I first started driving which was over 40 years ago." So you figured out what your Garmin was trying to say over 40 years ago? You should get a job as a futurist, like Ray Kurzweil. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:51:32 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 4 19:20:48 2011. I do not know any such person. |
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Posted by Terrapin station on Thu Aug 4 19:53:42 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:16:59 2011. No, you are wrong. Just like you are about the elevator. Planning on ever admitting it and apologizing? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:53:44 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:26:29 2011. I disagree about it being confusing. IMO what's confusing is having to exit left or continue right, since the driver expects the opposite. It's not a local street. Nearly all exits are right even when going left, and few have a problem with it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:49:12 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 10:59:20 2011. No you did not mean that. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:50:31 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:51:32 2011. Nor do I. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:53:56 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:06:30 2011. I am very good with maps. Yet you can't find an elevator can you see the signs pointing to it. I call B.S. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:55:56 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:50:31 2011. The only person I know who is a bit like that lives in a village that doesn't have any streetnames. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:57:52 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:53:44 2011. I suggest that there might be a correlation with struggling not to turn off into the East River. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:58:38 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 4 09:23:26 2011. Great post. You really showed him that he is wrong. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:58:46 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:28:18 2011. Not surprising. How many people on Subchat need subway signage? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:59:43 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:41:14 2011. Why didn't you simply ask OnStar to give you the correct directions???!? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:13:16 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:55:56 2011. Nice. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:14:58 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:58:46 2011. Don't laugh - there is a bus professional here who couldn't find a Brooklyn bus route on the Brooklyn Bus Map. Ok, fine, you can laugh. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:25:45 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 14:45:11 2011. Exactly. Thank you. He must be still bitter over the fact that I keep reminding everyone how he would knowingly smash someone's camera because he wouldn't want his photo taken. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:27:01 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 14:33:24 2011. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 21:54:03 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:14:58 2011. Which route couldn't he find? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 21:54:51 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:25:45 2011. I doubt he was being serious about that. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 4 22:00:07 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 15:40:35 2011. Halifax (I am not kidding, Halifax should be the control city on I-95 north in Maine)Our friends in Moncton and Fredericton would be upset. BTW, no Providence or Wilmington? No pissant small towns for control cities! I'd actually argue for both. If you're going to sign with small pissant towns, you should ALSO sign for next largest city as well. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 22:23:55 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 4 22:00:07 2011. Maybe Fredericton.Pissant towns should only be used if such towns are of disproportionate importance because of a long gap between more important cities, or if the highway ends there without a further outlet (like I-35 to Duluth, MN or I-75 to Sault Sainte Marie, MI/ON) |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Aug 4 22:43:16 2011, in response to Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 2 21:30:25 2011. The most asked question at Lexington Avenue and 60th Street a few minutes before midnight "Did the last R train leave already?"A solution would be a button which the TO of the last train would punch. Signs on the platforms and at the entrances to the station would light up to notify people that the last R train had gone. I'm sure there are plenty of stations where something like this would be useful. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 4 22:45:10 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 22:23:55 2011. Maybe Fredericton.Moncton is actually larger than Fredericton by at least 15,000 residents, and its metro area is more populous by 40,000 residents. Regardless, I'd probably sign with Moncton & Halifax. Regardless, it does leave the question of what constitutes a pissant city... |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 22:53:38 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 16:54:10 2011. +26? |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:30:15 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 18:06:14 2011. I would use Easton, PA. It's a larger city, and better known. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:38:12 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:59:34 2011. Or you could have looked before turning, seen the barriers, the do not enter signs on the potentially one-way street (which you WOULDN'T have gotten into a collision on, since the GPS believed it to be one-way in your direction of travel)It's NOT infallible, and it's NOT a substitute for being an alert, aware, and observant driver. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:40:02 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:01:39 2011. That kind of information is unnecessary, and makes the sign harder to read when you pass it at 70, not easier. The purpose of the sign telling you the next major city is to give you a general idea of your direction of travel. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:43:49 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 4 19:20:48 2011. Yes! The area where I grew up, I couldn't tell you if the street names ended in Road, Street, or Avenue, but I knew exactly how to get there, and I knew the 'proper' name of the street? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 23:46:06 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 21:54:51 2011. He was very serious. Why would someone joke about something like that? |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:46:08 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:43:49 2011. Bah, should be a period, not a question mark there.There are several places I know how to get to, mostly upstate or in New Jersey where street signs are lacking, simply by recognizing the area. Let's just hope they don't take that flipped-over car off that building on US1... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:47:36 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:59:43 2011. It was my friend's car. It was his OnStar. I never used it. A better question is why didn't they give us the right ones in the first place? And if they didn't know they were wrong why should we think it would be any different if we spoke to someone? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 23:48:05 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 21:54:03 2011. The B82. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:49:21 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:57:52 2011. +20,000 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:52:22 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:38:12 2011. There were no barriers or do not enter signs or one-way signs. It was just a normal two way street with a mall instead of a double yellow line. The only way to tell it was one way was the way the cars are parked. if no one was parked, you wouldn't know.I'm just saying at night in an unfamiliar area it would be easy to follow the GPS and get in trouble. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:54:13 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:58:38 2011. No he didn't. Why don't you quit it already? You're acting just like a little child. That's why most people don't like you here. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:54:34 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 19:26:29 2011. The reason for the right-side ramp continuing the Gowanus at the Belt split is because that ramp was added on when the Gowanus was extended to the VZ in the 60s.It's NOT confusing to go left when you want to go right (or vice-versa) on a highway interchange. Just look at most interchanges that provide ramps from the highway to the perpendicular road in each direction. Before the road, the right-hand exit just bends to the right 90 degrees. The exit past the road bends to the right 180-270 degrees. |
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