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Posted by lionlexx on Wed Jun 29 14:06:30 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. I can attemp to take a crack at this. One possibility That I have noticed is whenever Q and N train show up @34th they will let the N train go first because of theres a good chance there may be another train behind it. Usually around 23,28 street theres a slight backing up of service with the N and R, while as of June of 2010 the Q has sole possesion of the express tracks from Canal to 34th street on the weekdays. If you let the Q train go first, sure the N can sit and wait but it also delays the R that may be sitting outside waiting to get into 34th. If you let the N train go then let the train thats following that N train to at least get into 34th street, make its connection with that Q train to Astoria or what ever train the passenger may want then its a win win situation.Another factor is Astoria riders do complain ALOT. Imagine boarding an R train to 34th street and having the Q go first blocking out the N then have the N train go second blocking your train out and now whe nyou di get into 34th street you have to wait for another series of Qs or Ns to show up. Thats just been my observation and opinion |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 29 14:49:57 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. LION's PLAN1) (Q) trains run as express to 125th Street and via Bridge 2) (R) trains run to Astoria to Ft. Hamilton as in saturation service on the Broadway Local 3) (N) trains run to Forest Hills via Broadway Express; Local in Queens. All Express Service runs via BRIDGE and 63rd Street All Local Trains run via the Tunnel and 60th Street All LIONS will ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 15:37:26 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 29 14:49:57 2011. The problem with removing the R from Qns Blvd is that the R would then have no direct access to an inspection/maintenance barn which it now has with Jamaica Barn. That was the reason why the R became the Bway to Qns Blv service rather than the N which did run there foe several years. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:49:01 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 15:37:26 2011. Is that really such a big deal these days? The W was based out of CI and never ran there (except for one or two trains). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:52:39 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. I still don't understand why they have to switch the Q at 34th. The N and R are perfectly adequate for service to 49th. Q's should run express all the way to 57th. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 29 16:04:36 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:49:01 2011. The W didn't have to reverse to get from its terminal to a yard... |
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Posted by insidetransitcom on Wed Jun 29 16:19:01 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:52:39 2011. tourism my friend - tourism! |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Wed Jun 29 16:34:57 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. They might as well cut back the Q during the midday.I've experienced it too, the Q is there waiting at 34th Street, then an N shows up and then you have the Q going to Queens empty. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 29 16:39:15 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. The core of this problem is that this meeting at 34th St is often the result of the Q, earlier in its run, being held at DeKalb forever to make sure an N gets by it, which makes no sense at all. By the time the Q catches up to the N along Broadway, it can very well be 34th St already. Even if only two minutes separate the trains, if 30 seconds are picked up at each of the 4 skipped Broadway stations, there you have it.Anytime you have a line bypass a station that another stops at before having that bypassing train become a local and that stopping train become an express, as is the case with the N and Q regarding DeKalb and then Broadway, unless it's an intentional skip-stop system like the J/Z, you are asking for trouble. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 16:59:49 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by insidetransitcom on Wed Jun 29 16:19:01 2011. Phooey. Once the SAS opens (stop laughing) the Q will go back to running express thru 49th. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 17:12:12 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:49:01 2011. Unlike the R, however, W trains laying up to CIY had a direct route. whereas R trains laying up to CIY have to go from 95 St to 36 St and change ends on the mainline in order to access the yard which blocks the road each time that move is made. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jun 29 17:13:00 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:52:39 2011. IIRC, that's been the service pattern for the Broadway Express since the BMT days. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 17:15:03 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jun 29 17:13:00 2011. Actually, when I was a C/R in 1966, West end expresses which went to Astoria during rush hours did bypass 49 St leaving only the Brighton Lcl to carry the load from 49 St to Astoria. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jun 29 18:53:05 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. It happens southbound too. A Q train will closely follow a southbound N leaving Times Square, and will pass the N either just before or just after Union Square. But at Prince St., the Q gets a red signal and waits for the N to go ahead of it over the bridge. Why bother running the Q express if it is not allowed to actually overtake a local train? Either run everything local, or let the express run count for something by passing a local and staying ahead of it. BTW, why not let the Q stay on the express track through 57th St? Trains can run between the 60th St. tube and the express tracks at 57th, and 49th St. doesn't really need three services. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jun 29 18:55:28 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 29 14:49:57 2011. Well that is a good way to royally fuck up a generally functional service pattern.60th and 53rd would be so crowded you'd have people falling in front of trains every weekday. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jun 29 19:00:42 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 16:59:49 2011. But then the W will be back, so 49th will keep its three services. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jun 29 19:02:29 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:52:39 2011. The merge has to be somewhere. Keeping it at 34 helps those who need 49th at little cost to anybody |
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Posted by Gene B. on Wed Jun 29 19:37:42 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 29 16:39:15 2011. I totally agree with you. An express is an express and a local is a local. Whenever there is a tie or a question, the express train should get the right of way or it is not an express train. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 29 19:57:13 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Gene B. on Wed Jun 29 19:37:42 2011. That's not the reason the express train exists, although a lot of customers seem to think it is. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 29 20:42:06 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 17:15:03 2011. And in the late 70s, Norton trains continuing to Continental Ave. skipped 49th and switched over just before 57th. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 29 20:42:31 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 29 15:52:39 2011. Tradition, tradition!:) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 29 21:04:06 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. Maybe the Q is on time and the N is really late?Due to the make up of Ditmars terminal, when the trains go north City Hall Tower tries to send NQNQNQNQNQ................ |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 21:33:42 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 29 21:04:06 2011. I understand regarding the Ditmars terminal. But this is not a once in a while thing. Even the geese know to get off the Q waiting at 34th and get on the N. So this is not happenstance, this is habit. The reasonable way to solve the problem is to adjust the schedule so that it does not, like sending the Q out from Coney a few minutes later than the present schedule, or, just sending the Q to 57th in midday. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 21:38:29 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Wed Jun 29 16:34:57 2011. Exactly, an empty Q following an N all the way to Astoria! Bunching two trains instead of adjusting the schedules so that they arrive at 34th St. 5 minutes apart. What a waste of money! I agree, the Q should terminate at 57th mid-day. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 29 22:48:41 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 29 15:37:26 2011. It really is not all that big a deal...I propose saturation service from Astoria to City Hall and Whitehall Streets, with current levels of service to Fort Ham. Trains leaving service from Astoria short turn at Whitehall and deadhead back to Jamaica. Other trains leaving service from Astoria terminate at Ninth Avenue and dead head to Coney Island. Heck, they could even run in service to Forest Hills or Coney Island just so long as gooses knowed that their train was going to do that. LION thinks that this is a better arrangement than switching trains in midtown. roar |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 30 03:21:21 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jun 29 18:53:05 2011. I've seen the same thing happen on 4th Ave., Bklyn. D train meets R train, D train goes express, D train then wastes all the time it gained by waiting for the R train again. Why not just make the D train go local? Sheesh. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 30 07:55:24 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 21:33:42 2011. The deal is that the Q is able to run hot, and gets to 57th Street ahead of schedule. There it must wait for the N train.roar |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 30 07:56:54 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 21:38:29 2011. Also remember that the (Q) used NOT to go to Astoria, and so peeps on that have been conditioned over the past 70 years to transfer to the N.roar |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Jun 30 09:12:52 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 30 07:56:54 2011. Dear Lion,Of course you know 70 years for the N is an exaggeration. The letters going to Astoria, since through service opened in 1949, are N, QB, QT, RR, T, W and maybe others. The great numbers going there are 1, 2, and 3. Methinks (and mehopes) that Lion is being facetious. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Jun 30 09:15:21 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 30 03:21:21 2011. Padding schedules increases on-time performance. It looks terrific in reports! |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Jun 30 09:22:28 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 29 22:48:41 2011. Actually, I would do Lion one better to increase the flow of traffic on the railroad.N Astoria to Coney Island via local via tunnel all the way all times. Uptown, there is only 1 merge (with the R) instead of 3 (D, Q, R). Downtown, there is only 1 merge (with the R) instead of 3 (R, Q, D). To boot, this increases service at the local stations on the 4th Av. (Brooklyn) corridor, which had service cut back last year. W Astoria to Canal St or Whitehall rush hours, as demand on the Astoria line warrants. Of course, padding schedules, as done now, is much more efficient for increasing on-time performance. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 30 10:04:29 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Jun 30 09:12:52 2011. A LION? Facetious? Shirley ewe jest!LION nose the letters are only so old, but the LIONS have not changed their stripes at all in all of these years. After all, the 1964 maps never showed any route letters or numbers on them. You just knew what you were doing or you find out otherwise AFTER you got lost. 
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 30 11:19:42 2011, in response to Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 13:47:51 2011. The real question is, can the Norton handle the passenger volume along the Astoria line all by itself during non-rush hours? If so, then they should truncate the Quincy/Quack at 57th. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 30 13:16:58 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 29 20:42:06 2011. That was only Ns running against the peak direction of traffic. S/B AM Ns and N/B PM Ns ran local between Canal and 57. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 30 17:50:14 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Jun 30 09:12:52 2011. Lion, the 1964 World's fair map showed: Q,QB,QT,RR,T and TT- all Southern Division lettered routes. It did not show the numbers for the Eastern Division routes |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Jun 30 19:01:23 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jun 29 21:38:29 2011. (Q) should also terminate at 57 St evenings after 9pm as well. If MTA needs more money the (Q) is an easy place to look off peak... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 1 07:56:43 2011, in response to Re: Padded Q Schedule, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 30 17:50:14 2011. It wasn't until the Chrystie St. connection opened that all BMT number marking were officially dropped and letter markings were finally implemented on the Three Stooges Division. |
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