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Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 20:21:44 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 20:15:13 2007. Maybe I had too much to eat today. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:22:49 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 18:24:22 2007. I don't know, my experience with that location is mostly from going by on the Interboro-Jackie Robinson Parkway. However, anyone familiar with the road in that location knows it's a pretty dangerous location, very narrow for one, and I can easily see that there is a safety concern there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:23:22 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 20:21:44 2007. Sure it wasn't drink? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 20:24:05 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:23:22 2007. All I had to drink were 3 sugar-free iced teas. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:24:10 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 22 16:49:32 2007. I know. It's still a dangerous location, even on the service road in that narrow location. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:25:03 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 20:24:05 2007. I was just foolin with you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:26:07 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 19:52:36 2007. I can easily see the potential for problems there. I drive through there two times a week, sometimes more, and can easily see it could be a problem there. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 20:27:07 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:22:49 2007. Either rear-end crashes or traffic backed up something terrible because of something happening elseehere. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 23 05:02:34 2007, in response to Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 22 05:54:11 2007. Union Turnpike is itself unique. Until recently, it was the only street in NYC to be called "Turnpike." That honor is now shared with Jericho Turnpike. Union Turnpike is the only one to have a subway station though! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 23 05:22:26 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 23 05:02:34 2007. Until recently, it was the only street in NYC to be called "Turnpike."Not always. I remember North Hempstead Turnpike in the 1950's. |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Nov 23 07:20:23 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 23 05:02:34 2007. 'Union Turnpike is the only one to have a subway station though!'When visiting London, check out Turnpike Lane station (Piccadilly Line). Architecturally it's a nice station. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Nov 23 12:47:30 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 23 05:02:34 2007. Jericho Turnpike isn't in NYC. Its in Nassau.The section in Queens is called Jamaica Avenue. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 23 15:18:03 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by daDouce Man on Fri Nov 23 12:47:30 2007. Not anymore. About a year back or so, the entire street was renamed to Jericho Turnpike east of the Cross Island Parkway, in order to avoid confusion. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 23 15:45:30 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 23 15:18:03 2007. haha, pwn3d |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 23 22:13:04 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 20:24:10 2007. Question....I just drove through here about 6:00 PM today.... Did they abandon the northern side of this mezzanine? When I drov htrough here, I always seem to look at the wast boun mezzanine, the west bound side appears to still have jail bars there, unlilke the eastbounmd side which is glass block and all lit up. The other side was alkl dark. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 24 00:31:43 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 23 15:18:03 2007. I wasn't aware of that.The last time I was over there the North/Queens side was Jamaica Ave and the South/Nassau side was Jericho Turnpike. And that was a while ago. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 24 19:17:22 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by daDouce Man on Sat Nov 24 00:31:43 2007. The last time I was over there the North/Queens side was Jamaica Ave and the South/Nassau side was Jericho Turnpike.And that was a while ago. Then why did you say he was wrong? If you're not familiar with the subject, don't claim to be an expert! Or at least include a disclaimer that you haven't been there in a while and that you could very well be wrong. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 24 19:56:12 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 23 05:22:26 2007. I wasn't talking about for all time though. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 24 19:57:11 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 24 19:17:22 2007. Especially since I said UNTIL RECENTLY, implying a RECENT change. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 24 20:37:26 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 24 19:57:11 2007. haha, yep |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jun 10 17:03:58 2011, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. This is a thread bump from 2007. Continuing the discussion here, because the original thread is still relevant and some people may never have seen it.Anyway, it's been brought to my attention that there is an abandoned mezzanine at Court Square - 23 Street (former 23 Street - Ely Avenue). One former staircase to this mezzanine is hidden by this odd wall position seen here: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?78133 You'll notice that the colored tile band is a darker shade on the "new" wall section. This mezzanine had street exits that obviously are now long closed. I've done some searching, but can't find any information on this mezzanine. Does anyone know of it, or when it was closed, or if it had been connected to the current small mezzanine leading to the later-built Court Square connection? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 01:44:32 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Nov 21 16:01:16 2007. I though that might have been the case with York St since it has the later style tiles similar to those S/O Bway/ENY. |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what next? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 01:51:02 2011, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what next?, posted by Russ on Thu Nov 22 07:59:08 2007. Not to mention the new technology with security cameras. |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 01:54:43 2011, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 22 02:22:04 2007. Typo! You mean 370 Jay St. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 11 01:58:12 2011, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 01:54:43 2011. Yep ... hey ... been a while, even in 2007. :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 11 01:59:07 2011, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 11 01:58:12 2011. I did specify *BUMP* to warn people before navigating elsewhere in the thread.Oh well.... |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 02:01:16 2011, in response to Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 22 05:54:11 2007. I wasn't aware that the former Interboro Pky was built before the IND station was built. I had thought that the subway was there first and that the mezzanine was split afterwards to accommodate the parkway. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 02:08:03 2011, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. Among the stations mentioned, nobody has yet made reference to Utica upper on the IND which contains both an intermediate and an upper mezzanine and a full station shell for the Utica/Stuyvesant subway which would have eventually made its way to the So 4 St station complex. Also there is a now closed north mezzanine on the upper level at Nostrand Av/Fulton which, when open, allowed for a transfer between the N/B and S/B sides and which would also have provided a connection to the proposed Bedford Av subway about which less seems to be known that any other part of the IND Second System. |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 11 02:15:54 2011, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 11 01:59:07 2011. So we nostalgia ... :)
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 11 03:54:10 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 10:09:12 2007. East Broadway - the section of the mezzanine (lower and upper) that was closed off corresponds to one or 2 exit stairs to Henry Street above (long since covered over) and 1 platform staircase. I believe the lower part is storage (in all the times I've used the station, I've only looked in once). The remains of the possible second exit stair is actually in the active portion of the upper mezzanine; it's been cemented and tiled where previously it was a wooden wall (with maybe a door), but the evidence is still there - even the light sockets worked until the stair was tiled. The reason I say 'possible' is because, for a stairway, it's unusually small compared to the others.Note that, had the mezzanine not been closed off, the ramp at Madison St. leading to the lower mezzanine would have taken you directly to the proposed Second System station. And something I noticed very recently because I was critiquing somebody's subway simulator of E. Bway: all the stairways on the platform (including the closed ones) point north, except the northernmost one, which points south. If the Second System station had been built, the design would have allowed passengers who walked up the stairs to walk straight to the Second System station, without having to do a U-turn (unless you were on the wrong side). Because of the closure, everyone who gets off at the Madison St. end now has to do a U-turn after they go up the stairs. Delancey Street - except for a relatively small part in the middle, the mezzanine on the north and south has been closed off. Several closed-off stairs on each platform were still there until the latest renovations, but you can still see evidence on the station ceilings. Also note: along the east side of Essex Street, from Grand to Rivington(?) (except at Delancey), there are double-paneled sidewalk entrances to the subway, one per intersection. On the surface, they look like emergency entrances, but if you were to look inside them (sometimes possible when they're opened or bent out of shape, they're pretty flimsy), they're tiled just like subway entrances! I suspect these were former subway entrances, but I have no idea when they were closed. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 11 04:24:27 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 22 15:06:42 2007. About Bowery: aside from being cut in half, there was a mezzanine at the west end that was closed off, but the platform stairs are still there. What makes this unique is that, apparently, the street entrances were part of the buildings' facades, one on each side of Delancey. Though the street stairways have long been cemented over, the archways and maybe even remnants of the light fixtures are still there. The space behind the archways have since been taken over by stores. I haven't been by there in years, but it's probably still like that. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 11 10:36:35 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 11 03:54:10 2011. if you walk in from the uptown side,as soon as you go thru the turnstill you ARE on the second ave.subway platform.look to your right& you will see a small utility area.beyound one of the service doors is a 20 foot 2 track second ave subway tunnel.I have been in it some 15 years ago.I have to make a correction on post I made about roosevelt upper.the second rockaway extension was NOT supposed to conn.into it. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 11 10:40:46 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 11 04:24:27 2011. The closed end of the bowery has a provision for the proposed 3rd. ave brt. subway.if you go to track level you can see the provision in the roof.unknown if a partial station or just an empty space was built. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jun 11 11:00:31 2011, in response to 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 19:45:06 2007. I think the longest free, open to the public underground walk in the city was from 34 St.-6 Av. to 31 St.-8 Av., using the "Gimbels Passageway" from Herald Square station through Penn Station. That could have been extended up 6 Av. to 42 St., but only by paying two fares, one to walk through the 42 St.-6 Av. station from 42 St. to 40 St., and the other to walk through the 34 St.-Herald Square station - either from 35 St. to 34 (or 33) St., or from the east side of Herald Square (at 34 St.) to the west side of it (or to 33 St.). Actually, I guess it could have been extended to 42 St. just west of 5th Ave., since the transfer passage to the 7 was open before the Gimbels passage and the one between the 34 St. and 42 St. stations were closed. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jun 11 13:34:44 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Wed Nov 21 14:57:54 2007. What I find "interesting" at 125th Street-IND, is that one has to look at the ceilings to look for the bracing for the old removed stairways to determine where they used to be. Looking at the ceilings for clues of now missing features like stairways is a part of the "fun" of subway exploration.Mike |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 11 13:48:15 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 21:51:07 2007. Would have made a great shuttle platform to LaGuardia Airport! |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 13:59:45 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 11 10:36:35 2011. While the upper level platform at Roosevelt was supposed to stub end, there is an area N/O Roosevelt where 3 of the 4 tracks of the proposed Rockaway extension actually meet. The N/B lc tk for which you can see a bellmouth off the lower level tk and the S/B lcl tk which actually descends to the lower level were supposed to connect to the mainline N/O the station. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 11 15:08:08 2011, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 24 20:37:26 2007. I see Brian brought his 5 gallon can of gasoline to this thread! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 11 15:16:01 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 11 10:40:46 2011. I'll have to take a look at that again! I know about the really high ceilings, and there are/were remains or provisions for stairways, but I don't recall any other unusual structures. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 11 15:19:13 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 11 10:36:35 2011. That door at E. Bway is flimsy enough that if you had a small, BRIGHT flashlight, you could probably get a decent look. IIRC, since it's been a while, I think they put something in there, since I remember seeing some equipment and light. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 11 16:50:49 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 13:59:45 2011. I know,probably have been in there than anyone on this board. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 11 17:04:37 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 11 15:16:01 2011. on brennan`s site he has photos of the staircases. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Jun 11 20:32:12 2011, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 11 15:08:08 2011. I wonder what he paid for it in 2007? |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Jun 12 02:09:11 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 02:08:03 2011. My contention has always been that the Utica Av (A,C) station was mis-designed from the start. The station shell for the Stuyvesant subway should have been placed UNDER the Fulton subway, not above. Since the Fulton subway was definite while the Stuyvesant subway was only a proposal, and of course has never been built, the riders of the Fulton subway must climb extra stairs every time to exit the unnecessarily deep station, which the unused shell pushed further down.While the same could theoretically be said about E B'way (F), at least there the active station must be deep because of the river tube. There's no excuse at Utica; the first to become active should have been above the other. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jun 12 18:52:13 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by gbs on Sun Jun 12 02:09:11 2011. But think of all the extra calories burnt over the decades-- all the money saved on doctors because the users of this station stayed more in shape than they would have been if the station had been built closer to the ground. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jun 12 18:55:39 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 11 02:08:03 2011. Its not a full station shell,only partial.within the cofines of the ROW. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 12 19:40:46 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by gbs on Sun Jun 12 02:09:11 2011. I have often wondered about that myself. If you look at most, if not all, of the provisions for the iND second system: Utica, So 4 St, E Bway, Roosevelt, they are built above the existing subway infrastructures. I can't think of any that were built beneath existing lines. Even the spaces for the original SAS were built above the Houston/2 Av station on the F line and since the new configuration of the SAS, if it ever gets built, will be below the exiting IND those provisions will remain unused and different connections will have to be built. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 12 19:42:16 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jun 12 18:55:39 2011. True, but it still wasn't mentioned until I mentioned it. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jun 12 19:45:44 2011, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 12 19:42:16 2011. no randy,i,ve posted on it toooooo many times. |
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Re: *BUMP* Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines |
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Posted by gbs on Mon Jun 13 23:48:55 2011, in response to *BUMP* Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jun 10 17:03:58 2011. That angled false wall (with the darker red stripe and "artwork"), on both platforms, was installed several years ago to create a storage space. You can see the doors at the edge of the photo. There were no stairs there, just a similar angled wall (with a big, original 23 St - Ely Av mosaic). All they did was install the new angled wall parallel to the old one but several feet east to create the storage space.23-Ely has always had exits at either extreme end and none in the middle, 23 St at the east end and 21 St at the west end. No stairs or exits or mezzanines were removed or hidden with the installation of the false walls. Though the dark red stripe doesn't quite match the original, it is a very attractive, rich color in its own right. |
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