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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007 Another nice thing about being in the B Division is that it's given me a chance to see a lot of IND terminals up close and personal, in ways I couldn't before.Inwood - 207 Street I believe used to have a mezzanine that stretched the entire length of the station, north to south. It was during the 1998 station renovations that the mezzanine was almost entirely blocked off, save for the extreme north and south ends. The blocked off area became walled over, had an elevator put in, and became an employee area. Even to this day, they're building rooms back there. For what purpose, I have no idea. It's a real mess. But the old wall tiles pointing the way to 207th Street are still visible back there, as are advertisements. As far as I can tell, there used to be public bathrooms in there as well. They were demolished during the construction, but some fragments and pipes remain. Washington Heights - 168 Street has an area on mezzanine level near the south end of the station that's gated off. It leads to two staircase exits that have long since been cemented over. The steps are still there, but they end in a low, concrete ceiling a short distance up. There's also an old (A)/(B) line service information sign on the wall. This is visible through the gate from the passenger-accessible area. The sign must be from the late 80s or early 90s. The entire south end of the mezzanine, in fact, is employee-only, but I'm not certain how long it's been that way. The southern-most staircases from the platforms up to the mezzanine are now gated to prevent passengers from wandering up there, but it appears as though they were once passenger-accessible. The crew facilities are pretty damn old, though, so perhaps I'm mistaken. How about at Euclid Avenue? Was the mezzanine always so small? Or did such a large employee facility always exist there? Kinda don't think so, since the gold plaque outside the door states it was built in 1998 or so. If so, then what kind of facilities were there prior? I also used 163 Street - Amsterdam Avenue the other day, and was amused at how almost 60 - 70% of the northern half of the mezzanine and its exits are closed off. |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Nov 21 09:24:17 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. The area at 207 you're referring to will become office space for various departments.I can't answer your questions about 168 or Euclid as I've never spent a lot of time at those locations. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Wed Nov 21 09:30:52 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. Check out Roosevelt Ave-Jackson Hts IND station. Heard there's an unused platform on the upper level meant for Rockaway trains.Vader |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 09:43:08 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Lord Vader on Wed Nov 21 09:30:52 2007. Yeah, I have a video tour of it courtesy of Mark Feinman. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 09:43:32 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. cool report, let's hear more! explore! |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 10:09:12 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. Unlike most IRT and BMT stations, the IND stations were built with massive, full station length mezzanines. Over the last 30-40 years, NYCT permanently sealed most of them, the latest causality is 125th Street/IND station.Check out stations that once had full length mezzanines like 145th Street (NYPD Transit Bureau #3, closed 146th Street area), 161st Street, (NYPD Transit Bureau 11 or 12), Second Ave/Lower East Side (NYCT employee use only), the south end of Fordham Road (Station supervisor's offices), Bedford Park Blvd (sealed), Tremont Ave (artwork and renovation), 34/6 (well know crime occured there), Canal Street/Holland tunnel (north end to Grand Street is sealed after renovation) East Broadway (employee facilities only) and surprise. . .York Ave on the F, it had more than one staircase from platform level. 167, and 170 street stations on the Concourse Line once had underpass exits where you would go downstairs and exit via. the tunnel running under the GC, much like Bedford Park or the north end of 161st Street. The only way you can see the staircase remains at 167 and 170 is if you drive on the tunnel under the Grand Concourse, be careful with the one at 167 because it has narrow lanes at the staircase. 174-175 station is very intriguing with a Morris Ave exit at the north end that you had to go downstairs from platform level (the gated stairs in between the currently open stairs from platform to part-time mezzanine.), plus a side stairs from mezzanine level down to the Morris Ave exit. At the 174th Street full time side, once you exit straight (do not go back upstairs), you can see the tunnel construction over your head. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Nov 21 11:33:11 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 09:43:32 2007. ...and bring a camera! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 21 11:40:09 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 10:09:12 2007. York a second stairway? I used that station regularly 1967-69 and I do not remember a second stair. certainly got my vote for most desolate station in my experience. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 21 11:44:14 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. Bedford Park Blvd has also been walled up between each extreme end. The staircases from the closed middle part to the platforms still exist. Some stations retain their full mezzanines, but for what purpose, I wouldn't know. Ralph Ave. is one. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 12:59:53 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Nov 21 11:33:11 2007. IAWTP! |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Nov 21 13:01:09 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. 163 St (C) - closed section of mezzanine also contained a crossover; none at the station now.Broadway (G) - most of the mezzanine closed, including the north end connecting to the S. 4th St. shell. I recently exited at High St-Bklyn Bdge (A)(C) for the first time. Concourse level is so narrow as to be almost spooky... By the way, were York St (F) and 23 St-Ely (E)(V) built later than their respective lines? The Hagstrom 1936 map does not show them. Bob |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 13:03:33 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 21 11:44:14 2007. Some stations retain their full mezzanines, but for what purpose, I wouldn't know.Cheaper to not build walls that aren't needed? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Nov 21 13:08:50 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 21 11:44:14 2007. >>>>Bedford Park Blvd has also been walled up between each extreme end. The staircases from the closed middle part to the platforms still exist.<<<There is a Master Tower in there. 2 of those stairways have been removed. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 21 13:11:19 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 10:09:12 2007. There are a number of stations on the "G" line that have closed exits and mezzanines - to wit: 21st-Van Alst (south end), Broadway (north end), Metropolitan-Grand (south end), Flushing Avenue (north end), Classon Avenue (east end).wayne |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 21 13:40:35 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 13:03:33 2007. Cheaper to renovate existing real estate you own than rent space... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 13:49:23 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 21 13:40:35 2007. Like I said, cheaper to not build walls that aren't needed. If they don't need to existing real estate, then it is cheaper to not build the walls. So they must not need that real estate. |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Wed Nov 21 14:57:54 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 10:09:12 2007. What they did to 125 Street is a shame. They removed the two southernmost exit stairs so anyone in the rear cars of an uptown train (or front cars going downtown)has to walk almost to the center of the platform to reach a stairway to the mezzanine. The mezzanine renovation "moved" the fare control at the downtown end further toward the center of the mezzanine, and the area where you used to exit from those now-gone southernmost stairs is sealed behind a wall. The outlines of the former stairwells are still visible from the platforms.The "tunnel" exits on the Concourse line in the Bronx led to streetcar stops where passengers could go directly in/out of the subway without having to go up to street level. Although they remained in use at least into the 1970s, I don't recall if the buses that replaced the streetcars still stopped in the middle of the underpass at the exit stairs. |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Wed Nov 21 15:00:53 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. The entire north mezzanine at 59 Street Columbus Circle now houses a transit police station. The northernmost stairs from the platforms are also sealed. They used to lead to a part-time street exit to 61st Street/CPW that had an "Iron Maiden" turnstile. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 21 15:17:06 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. yes, the IND was designed and built for huge ridership. Sadly, the increasing crime/littering/feral behavior hominids have influenced cutting back rider convenience all over. The boarded off extra stairways at Second Ave were always an eyesore, yet IF the SAS ever really gets built, one would expect to see them reinstalled.Ultimately, I believe the IND was brilliant in that the platforms have not needed expansion in the 75 years of service. In my utopian dreams, the entire Second System will be built giving New Yorkers even greater transit. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 21 15:31:27 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Wed Nov 21 14:57:54 2007. While this example is not an IND station, the result was almost as tragic. At the 149th Street-Grand Concourse station on the #2 and #5 platform level, there was a barrel vault ceiling running most of the length of the platform, similar to 168th Street on the #1 line. In this case part of the barrel vault ceiling was appropriated during the 1970's.Looking at the station now, one sees a part of the barrel vault ceiling at the eastern most edge of the platforms, where there is a black-metal passageway over the tracks, and the leads of the track switches for the #5 train. The black-metal bridge over the tracks used to lead to an elevator and a street exit. It is now closed. Of course there are the stairways and then a passageway to reach the #4 platforms. If one is on a downtown train near the back, or on an uptown train near the front of the train - then walk along the platform toward the stairways and pay attention to the built structure above the tracks. That structure was built above the tracks to house TA operations or something. The supports for this structure is easier to notice since its supports are thinner/smaller than the usual support columns often used. Over time, other elements was added (metal posts, new wiring, etc) that broke up the clear visual space between the platforms, the ceiling, etc. Mike |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Nov 21 15:49:15 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 09:43:08 2007. And he had a personal tour,courtesy of ME! |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Nov 21 16:01:16 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by GIS Man on Wed Nov 21 13:01:09 2007. Yes,they were put in after ops.began |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 16:06:44 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Nov 21 15:49:15 2007. I thought it was part of a group tour, but I could be wrong. I need to watch it again. But I also need a VCR to watch it with... |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Nov 21 16:22:34 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 16:06:44 2007. I did my own personal tour several years ago,nuthing ` on video. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 21 16:23:16 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Lord Vader on Wed Nov 21 09:30:52 2007. Check out Roosevelt Ave-Jackson Hts IND station. Heard there's an unused platform on the upper level meant for Rockaway trains.History & photos More photos |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 19:20:15 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 21 15:31:27 2007. 'That structure was built above the tracks to house TA operations or something'Mott Ave Tower, one of the first 'Master' towers to be built in the subway the elevator shafts are used as air conditioning ducts for the tower |
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Posted by mr_brian on Wed Nov 21 19:32:04 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 21 11:44:14 2007. "Some stations retain their full mezzanines, but for what purpose, I wouldn't know. Ralph Ave. is one. "Bedford-Nostrand is another, I think. |
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42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 19:45:06 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. Before I get to that, just wanted to know: Is it an old expression, or were/are the full-length IND mezzanines really similar in size to airport hangars?And, is the purpose in shuttering off most of these massive mezzanines to cut down on maintenance/renovation, re-purpose it for non-MTA use or because of the risk of crime/safety (talking about recent mezzanine shutterings in the last 10 years))? I must say I am impressed by these mezzanines. The IND was indeed the luxury line of he city. If only they had followed BMT/IND specs with those first two subway contracts. Back to the topic, so what crime or incident occured in this infamous 6th Ave. mezzanine that got it shuttered? Did crime also spell the doom of the Gimbel's passageway and the 14th St. 7th-8th Ave. passageway? Speaking of the latter, was there a time in which you could walk from 6th Ave to 8th Ave entirely underground? If so would that have been the longest underground walk in the city? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 21 19:56:59 2007, in response to 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 19:45:06 2007. As to the last question, I used to do it all the time. When I worked as a vendor at the Garden in the late 60's the employee entrance was at 33rd & Eighth. I would take the "F" to 34th and walk from Sixth to Eighth underground. And since the cross under at Seventh Avenue is out of fare control the walk was free. I only realized the passage doesn't exist any more a couple of years ago when I wanted to walk from 6th to 7th with my kids and couldn't find it!! |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 20:10:41 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 21 19:56:59 2007. 'I used to do it all the time'I'm sure a lot of us here did 'it' quite often as well, but-'all the time'??????? |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 20:11:44 2007, in response to 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 19:45:06 2007. 'If so would that have been the longest underground walk in the city?'no one time I walked from bowling green to utica ave, all underground |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 21 20:32:33 2007, in response to 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 19:45:06 2007. Under Sixth Avenue between the 34th Street and 42nd Street stations was an underground passageway between the stations, I believe this passageway was the full width of the subway tunnel. In any cae, I believe a woman was raped there, who claimed that her attacker had hidden behind something inside the passageway. Some time after that the passageway was closed. This passageway was originally opened since the Sixth Avenue Elevated line the subway replaced had a stop at 38th Street, and this was a replacement.The 34th Street passageway via the old Gimbels Department store, I understand was actually a part of the private property of the store. When the store closed, and the Manhattan Shopping Center opened, there were issues concerning its ownership, maintenance, patrol, etc. So the passageway was closed. Mike |
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Posted by parkchester 11:35 on Wed Nov 21 20:46:56 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 21 15:17:06 2007. If you look at a list of the NYPD Transit District, an overwhelming majority of them are located within IND Stations. Perhaps the large mezzanines, and the TAPD's origins with the IND led to this. The A line alone has 3 of Manhattan's 4 Districts and 2 of the 4 in Brooklyn. Some of them nearly step on each other, example D-11 at 161/Yankee Stadium is a couple of stops from D-3 at 145th/St. Nick, same can be said for D-30 and D-33 in Brooklyn, they're 3 express stops apart. For some crazy reason, D-20, which serves the majority of Queens is located at a local stop, Briarwood-Van Wyck. I think it has to do with the need for paking vehicles (there's ample parking space near this station), and being between the Jamacia BMT and the Queens Blvd. IND than serving a major hub. That outfit, used to work out of the Broadway-Roosevelt Complex, which made great sense in terms of serving large numbers of riders, but perhaps the TA couldn't find room in its expansion plans of the station, or the PD had other ideas. |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 21:02:01 2007, in response to 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 19:45:06 2007. Before I get to that, just wanted to know: Is it an old expression, or were/are the full-length IND mezzanines really similar in size to airport hangars?How are we going to help you with that? Figure out how big the proverbial "airport hanger" is. Then figure out how big a full IND mezzanine is. Then compare. Shouldn't take you too long. I must say I am impressed by these mezzanines. The IND was indeed the luxury line of he city. How do you equate big empty plain undecorated spaces with "luxury"? I don't. I'd consider the original IRT much more luxuries. Speaking of the latter, was there a time in which you could walk from 6th Ave to 8th Ave entirely underground? This was already answered, but why did you think that it was possible that maybe you couldn't walk all the way underground? If so would that have been the longest underground walk in the city? Would it have been longer than the walk from 6th to 8th at 14 St? If not, then how could it have been the longest in the city? Just off the top of my head, a longer walk I can think of "in the city" would be from 31st (and a half) and 8th to 5th and 42nd via Penn Station, Gimbel's Passageway, 35th to 40th passageway, and the connection to 5 Av on the (7), assuming they were all open at the same time. |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 21:16:37 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 21:02:01 2007. Or pre-9/11 a long indoor walk, by far, would be from north end of Chambers Street/IND A/C mezzanine, walk entirely outside fare control to WTC Concourse, then over bridge to WFC at Battery Park City. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 21:38:21 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 21 15:31:27 2007. Excellent observations Mike.Currently, the Bx35 and Bx11 buses do not use the GC underpasses at 167 and 170, respectively. They make stops on street level, both sides of GC. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 21:51:07 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Nov 21 16:22:34 2007. Any employee can take a tour of the upper mezzazine.Just take a walk to the other end of the passageway and see the dusty blue and white station tiles. If anyone askes what you're doing there, just say you're looking for the toilet. ;-) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 21:52:07 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Nov 21 11:33:11 2007. .....and plenty of film!!! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 21:55:35 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 10:09:12 2007. If anyone is an station agent, they can look at a station blueprint at every booth in the system. No substitute for exploring the station. But it gives you an idea what's over there. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 22:03:37 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 21 13:11:19 2007. 21st-Van Alst has a lower level, a former part time booth and exit only wheels.Metropolitan-Grand used to have an exit that left you on Grand Street. Last time I was over there the site is an emergency exit and track workers shops. Broadway has a BIG stairway to what would have been South 4th Street Station. Transfer to traina that would have came from Houston Street or south of Canal Street on the E. Flushing Avenue was supposed to have its main booth at the north end of the station. I don't know about Classon. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 22:07:25 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by mr_brian on Wed Nov 21 19:32:04 2007. Bedford/Nostrand used to have a part time booth.Then they turned it into HEETS. I doubt if the exit is permantly closed. |
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Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 22:09:05 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 20:11:44 2007. You have to tell us about how you did it. |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Nov 21 22:20:45 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 21:16:37 2007. …South in the WFC and then back over the other bridge!Not that this is a useful walk, but still indoors! |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 22:51:30 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 21 21:02:01 2007. What's with the hostility? Sweet jesus, I haven't even asked some of those questions before! |
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Posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 23:12:48 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 21 20:32:33 2007. Ah, found the news story again: apparently the passageway was closed back in early 1991:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CEFDC1E39F930A15750C0A967958260 In the heart of midtown Manhattan, stretching from 34th Street to 42d Street, there is a little-known subway passageway used by as few as 400 people a day walking between stations or dodging bad weather. Last year, it was the site of dozens of crimes, and after a rape inside it in July, the transit police tried to close it. But their plans went into a bureaucratic shuttle between a local community board and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and were lost -- until Wednesday, when a woman was raped behind a pile of construction debris inside the tunnel. On Thursday, after the city police reported the rape of the woman -- a 22-year-old commuter on her way to a PATH train to New Jersey -- and reporters began to call about it, the Transit Authority declared an emergency and closed the tunnel on its own. And late yesterday, a Transit Authority spokesman said the authority would designate other dangerous passageways for closing next week. Yesterday, as padlocked gates barred both ends, a transit police spokesman tried to explain how it could have taken so long to close a passageway that the police clearly thought was dangerous and that many New Yorkers instinctively regarded as creepy. "The bottom line is that the transit police asked for it to be closed," the police spokesman, Albert W. O'Leary, said. "We should have been more forceful," And Jared Lebow, the Transit Authority spokesman, said officials had worried that any closing of a spot in the subways where homeless people sleep would provoke an outcry. But he conceded that they may have erred by not holding a quick vote on the police recommendation. That recommendation to close the path, which runs beneath the Avenue of the Americas, was first made after the July rape, Mr. O'Leary said. After another rape in August, the closing was sanctioned in September by the local community board and sent to the M.T.A. board. But Mr. O'Leary said that the closing was presented to the board as part of a larger package that included many operations changes. It was not even scheduled for a vote until next month. In October, there was a report of sexual abuse in the passageway, and in December, an attempted rape. Asked why none of these crimes warranted the kind of emergency closing that took place this week, Mr. O'Leary said the police had first decided to go through the usual procedures. The passageway is a sometimes rolling strip that extends nearly half a mile, past stairwells at 38th and 40th Streets. Mr. O'Leary said that the authority had long known of the dangers inside, as there had been 30 felonies there in 1990. As nightfall approaches, he said, many homeless people and drug dealers come to sit along the wall and sometimes harass people. The latest rape victim had entered the walkway at 5:10 P.M. Wednesday at 40th Street, on her way to the PATH train at 34th Street for a trip home to New Jersey. Just south of 38th Street, a young man grabbed her, Mr. O'Leary said. The man threatened to stab her and demanded money, then dragged her about 200 feet south, behind a pile of debris. "She indicated to detectives that he threatened to stab her if she screamed," Mr. O'Leary said. "But he never produced a knife." After he raped her, as she was hidden from view of perhaps a dozen commuters walking by, Mr. O'Leary said, he took the woman's radio, her wristwatch and an earring. As soon as he left, she began screaming, and a passerby chased the man, who got away. Mr. Lebow, director of public affairs for the Transit Authority, said yesterday that the decision to close the passageway had been delayed to allow for public hearings about service reductions systemwide. He said that closing the corridor without allowing for public comment would have caused an outcry from advocates for the homeless. But Mr. Lebow said that he did not know why a crime problem had been lumped with decisions about service cuts at the hearings. "We should have made an exception in this case," he said. |
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Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:16:55 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 22:09:05 2007. 'You have to tell us about how you did it.'I put 1 foot in front of the other.... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:21:07 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by parkchester 11:35 on Wed Nov 21 20:46:56 2007. '(there's ample parking space near this station)'was wondering why there were so many police vehicles parked in the street above the station with many of the cars apparently parked illegally |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:24:26 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 22:51:30 2007. 'Sweet jesus'met a guy many years ago, his name was Jesus and he did appear to be 'sweet' |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 23:28:11 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:16:55 2007. OK I asked for it.I should have said something like what path did you use? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:36:35 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 21:52:07 2007. don't forget the batteries, extra flash, tripod, 350 magnum |
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