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Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:42:10 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:22:15 2011. I don't think it's a big controversy aside from on here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:44:42 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:27:15 2011. I think it would be more for the History Channels "Cities of the Underworld" show than Mystbusters. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:45:28 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:38:26 2011. I,m quoting an old era bulletin,no superstructure was put in place. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:45:58 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:57:12 2011. It's funny how for one of the "newer" lines that there is so little about it's contruction out there. The A line in Brooklyn is one of the last "older" lines to be buildt. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:47:35 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:22:15 2011. your` re right,outside of our merry band of beggers,robbers&thieves the t.a.doesn`t care. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jan 23 15:52:26 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:40:23 2011. Well, here is a clue that the IND Fulton Street Line was originally planned to go beyond Euclid Avenue at least, and head over eastward from that station. Check out this picture was taken on the mezzanine level at the Liberty Avenue station, and notice was the tiled wall says as "Richmond Hill...", plus but what would be originally painted over with the "<-Lefferts Blvd->" designation.Now, it could have the original tiled sign been installed as "Richmond Hill \ and Ozone Park"? Perhaps "...\ and Rockaway" or "\ and Cross Bay Boulevard" (the original planned underground terminal)? Want to see if they can get out the scrub brushes and clean it off entirely to see for the correct answer? Liberty Avenue Station, IND Fulton Street Line (5/29/2009): Jeremiah Cox's SubwayNut.com Page -William A. Padron ["Fulton-Lefferts Blvd."] |
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Re: Greg Mocker? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street) |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jan 23 15:53:38 2011, in response to Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 07:52:56 2011. The dude from CH11 News that always goes after the MTA, maybe he would nag them to reveal info about 76th street lol. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 16:06:34 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jan 23 15:34:10 2011. LOL! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 23 16:17:09 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:29:18 2011. The ideal show was this, season 1, episode 7I don't think this controversy is as well known to provoke any interest amongst the masses. Also, since common sense commands that this station does NOT exist, there's really no suspense factor. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 16:17:23 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jan 23 15:52:26 2011. When the BMT operated the Fulton St El, the terminal was called Lefferts AVENUE and the original IND signs were installed with that reading. When the iND opened up there in 1956, the word "AVE" was painted over with the word "BLVD" and it wasn't even in matching font to the word "LEFFERTS." Although I went to college in Queens and knew many people in that neighborhood, nobody could tell me when Lefferts was upgraded from an avenue to a boulevard but it was apparently done before the IND was extended there. The photos of the Euclid model board at Grant Ave station show the notation "To Lefferts Avenue" so the change was probably made sometime after 1948 when that model board was installed. A number of avenues in Queens were upgraded to boulevards probably around the same time. The ones I can think of off the top of my head are Ditmars, Astoria, Junction and of course Lefferts. Why the changes were made, I don't know since when I think of a boulevard I think of a broad thoroughfare with at least one median in the middle like Queens Boulevard. Neither Lefferts nor Ditmars seem to meet that criterion. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 16:19:23 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:45:28 2011. If I remember, my source is an old PSC annual report. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 16:26:42 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:31:54 2011. I heard they recently did a sonar or something there and saw what could be the legend of the steam engine behind there come true.It was just reported in gothamist this past week: http://gothamist.com/2011/01/17/19th_century_steam_locomotive_disco.php But since all tours of the tunnel have been banned, who knows if we will ever find out more.... |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 16:32:43 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 16:26:42 2011. it would be great if it did happen&they publish it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 16:35:56 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 23 16:17:09 2011. Right, it wouldn't be of interest to the masses in Mythbusters, but it would be a topic that would be good for Cities of the Underworld on the History Channel. THAT is exactly the topics and content of that show, and would fit into it. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 17:10:44 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jan 23 15:52:26 2011. the A does run thru richmond hill.crossbay was not the orignal underground terminal,229st&linden blvd was.in the 1939/40 plans it was cutback to 106st around rockaway blvd. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 18:06:49 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:30:17 2011. Remember that if a line under Pitkin Avenue did NOT dive VERY DEEP, then it would be elevated by the time that it got to 76th Street. The B-Q boundry drops quickly from a higher level to almost sea level.Indeed once upon a time that area was a river bed. FOR THE HUDSON RIVER! LION'S POINT is just because it dive down does not mean it went under the sewers and other utilities.  |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sun Jan 23 18:30:00 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by monorail on Sun Jan 23 02:08:42 2011. I'll get the accordian. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 18:35:25 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by mike cruz on Sun Jan 23 18:30:00 2011. RAS VAH! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 23 18:48:56 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:26:13 2011. From a previous message: "There are plenty of abandoned stations which are not practical. Court St, Lower 9th, even lower Bergen, City Hall lower (BMT). But this controversy is NOT finding out about it to use, but just to know it's there."Well the IND Court Street station was used for years as a location for movies and commercials, well before its use as the Transit Exhibit in the 1970's, to later become the Transit Museum. The lower level of City Hall has been used for decades as train storage for the EE, RR, R, N, W, and some Q trains. The Lower level of 9th Avenue has long been used for garbage trains, work trains, and other reasons. Just a couple of notes. Mike |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 23 19:17:38 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jan 23 15:34:10 2011. He'll figure out a way to connect it to the Boston subway, the London underground, and probably the Hong Kong subway system too. I'm sure it will also be useful to Columbia University somehow. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Jan 23 20:13:14 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 16:32:43 2011. Now, this would be a good story for Geraldo Rivera, digging up Atlantic Ave., or breaking down the wall to discover the steam engine. It would be interesting how they would remove it, maybe the Smithsonian would pay for the discovery and removal (Iif it actually does exist). |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 20:55:01 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 18:06:49 2011. But the infrastructure in the area of the yard leads would still put it pretty far below street level in order for it to clear all those yard leads. Also Iv;e been in that area above and bellow ground and although the street level does drop, it doesn't drop that sharply. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 23 20:55:23 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:18:47 2011. since its on the street you would need traffic cones,at least a 30 foot ladder,vests& a big set of balls.And plenty of lights too. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 21:04:02 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 20:55:01 2011. The Infrastructure in Brooklyn would have to be fairly low but the leads from the yard do not lead into Queens. They remain (I would guess) in Brooklyn.Sixty years is a long time in the life of city infrastructure. The Houses along Pitkin in Queens do not appear to be that old, ergo, there must be new infrastructure under the street where the subway was or wasn't as the case may be. In any event, utilities such as power and telephone are up on poles in that part of Queens, which in it self may point to something underground (such as a sandy shifting riverbottom with MONSTERS in it.
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 21:05:12 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 23 20:55:23 2011. If it is dark in there then you would only need ONE light, for then it would no longer be dark in there. (Metaphysically speaking of course)
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 23:24:36 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 23 18:48:56 2011. Well the IND Court Street station was used for years as a location for movies and commercials, well before its use as the Transit Exhibit in the 1970's, to later become the Transit Museum.Yes. But that is hardly a transit related utility. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Jan 24 04:44:52 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by jabrams on Sun Jan 23 20:13:14 2011. remember the last tkme did a dig for al capones vault, nothing in the vault |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Jan 24 04:45:47 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by jabrams on Sun Jan 23 20:13:14 2011. remember the last time geraldo riveria did a dig for al capones vault, nothing in the vault |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 05:00:06 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by chud1 on Mon Jan 24 04:44:52 2011. I think he found a SOCONY map in the glove box of Al Capone's car. :) |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 07:30:13 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by chud1 on Mon Jan 24 04:44:52 2011. Yeah but there was a vault though |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jan 24 07:32:56 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by chud1 on Mon Jan 24 04:44:52 2011. Live television was never this funny ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 07:41:02 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jan 24 07:32:56 2011. Thx for this never seen it heard of it but hey at least there was a vault we need to know if there is an loco |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 07:54:41 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jan 24 07:32:56 2011. Heh, I remember watching that live. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jan 24 07:59:58 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 07:54:41 2011. Heh, I remember watching that live.I taped it on a VHS videotape with anticipation of some really big find. I gotta find that videotape, it's somewhere in my collection. Bill Newkirk |
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76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street) |
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Posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 11:54:28 2011, in response to Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 21 07:17:27 2011. Using this image below, we see #1 (Euclid), #2 (Grant Ave), and #3 (Pitkin Yard). The yellow line is 76th St itself.A) Is it possible for someone to take this image, and add where the cinder block and concrete walls are? Or, at least tell me (us) where they would be in this image? B) #4 shows the area between 76th & 77th street, and Pitkin and Glenmore Avenues. There is a small road (alley?) shown as "S RD." on Google Maps. This appears to be the only block in the vicinity that has this "renegade" road running through a block. Does anyone find this interesting...and could this be some sort of unusual tell-tale sign that somethinig here is "different" than the surrounding area? 
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jan 24 11:56:27 2011, in response to 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 11:54:28 2011. Dave on nycsubway.org estimates that the four disused tracks end at approximately Elderts Lane so add Elderts lane to the map and that's where the cinderblock wall should be. |
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Posted by f179dj on Mon Jan 24 12:14:26 2011, in response to 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 11:54:28 2011. I would place A7 and A8 about where the red border for number 3 crosses Sutter Ave. Maybe just a touch shy of it. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jan 24 12:21:08 2011, in response to 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 11:54:28 2011. Being reasonably familiar with the area, I don't believe (4) has any significance. There are a number of small oddball short roads in this area. If this image were to be continued to the right about two blocks, just after where Pitkin turns slightly south, one would notice that Pitkin becomes a narrow road at 80th Street - it is a wide road in this photograph. Also, at the northeast corner of Pitkin and 80th Street there is a subway-type grating. However, TunnelRat claims this is a Con Edison underground chamber entrance.There are no subway-type gratings between Conduit Avenue and 80th Street. There is an emergency subway exit on the south side of Pitkin in the center of Conduit. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 12:29:49 2011, in response to 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 11:54:28 2011. The area of that "#4" is called "Old South Rd", and appears to be the original alignment of Pitkin Ave east of there. Notice how to the right of this, if you pan out to the right, that road is in the alignment that Pitkin Ave takes east of about 78th St: Click here for image |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 12:30:18 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jan 24 12:21:08 2011. This block is a remnant of South Road being re-aligned into Pitkin Ave shortly after consolidation around 1900. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 12:31:31 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 12:29:49 2011. Correct. The streets were aligned when Queens and Brooklyn were incorporated into NYC. |
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Posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 12:51:21 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 12:29:49 2011. >>The area of that "#4" is called "Old South Rd", and appears to be the original alignment of Pitkin Ave east of there. Notice how to the right of this, if you pan out to the right, that road is in the alignment that Pitkin Ave takes east of about 78th St:Ok, yes...I never projected Old South Rd...I see exactly what you mean, how it lines back up with Pitkin at 78th St. Now, what else is interesting (perhaps in my mind only), is that using the historical aerial photos (use link below), using the 1924 1924 image it's obvious. But, click the 1951 image, and Old South Rd is barely a line in the dirt...only to reappear again in the 1996 image. Why is Old South Rd seemingly "gone" in 1951? http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/?z=9&p=1022897,185805&c=GIS1996 Old South Rd in 1996, clearly visable:  Old South Rd in 1951, barely noticable:  Old South Rd in 1924...was Pitkin Ave: 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 12:55:52 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 12:51:21 2011. What probably happened after the realignment of Pitkin Ave was that the road became what is known as a "paper Rd". When construction in the area began, sometime after the 1951 image, whoever owned the land along that paper road cut it through again when he put up the houses he built. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 13:12:52 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 12:55:52 2011. I agree. That street was included when the land was developed and the homes were built there.This also brings up another interesting fact: Any subway under Pitkin Ave built into Queens in the 1930's might NOT line up with the current street grid. Have we been looking in the wrong place the entire time? Maybe the station is at 76th and Old South Road? 
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Posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 13:13:59 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by f179dj on Mon Jan 24 12:14:26 2011. Ok, so using your info along with LRG's, and the track maps found on nycsubway.org, is this a fairly close representation of where the tracks currently are? The pink bars would be the walls blocking the disused tracks (A1 to A4) and the leads from Pitkin yard (A7 & A8). According to tunnelrat, the tunnel past where A1-A4 currently end at the wall (Eldert Lane), extends to 79th st...just past the right edge of the photo)(Not drawn to scale) 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 13:17:57 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 13:13:59 2011. That's a pretty good representation, but I believe that pink line is where the tunnel and tracks end, nothing exists on the other side. |
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Posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 13:18:11 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 13:12:52 2011. >> This also brings up another interesting fact: Any subway under Pitkin Ave built into Queens in the 1930's might NOT line up with the current street grid. Have we been looking in the wrong place the entire time? Maybe the station is at 76th and Old South Road?This is kinda what I was thinking too. Perhaps the road *had* to be "put back" for reasons we can only assume or guess...perhaps access was needed at some point shortly after 1951? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 13:20:27 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 13:18:11 2011. It may have been on the grid and was required to be included when that plot of land was developed in the 50's. That entire area was pretty undeveloped until after the war. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 24 13:22:58 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by mike cruz on Sun Jan 23 18:30:00 2011. A one ana two ana..... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 24 13:23:45 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by monorail on Fri Jan 21 13:42:49 2011. A BMT standard or Triplex would do the trick... |
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