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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 26 11:26:19 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 22:03:07 2009. OB line will get the ridership it should be getting with either more direct service or electrifying.But why should a line with a circuitous alignment and low ridership get any of that? Those people want a one seat ride. Who doesn't? It's not the job of transit to give some people and their second favorite uncles one seat rides. By wasting resources trying to do that, you assure many other people that they will be given no rides at all, or horribly slow rides, or mostly standing rides. I live on the Port Washington branch. A one seat ride to Lower Manhattan would be nice. Does it make sense for MTA to build me one, or does it make sense for me to change for subway service when I get off the train? You had the ferry from Glen Cove years ago What happened to that? now you've got Long Island Transit running direct to midtown and downtown. Notice something about their schedule? It's essentially a peak direction only service. You want to put LIRR OYster Bay Branch operations on that model? Fine. 3 trains, peak direction only. And how do you figure that 10 tph more on the main line is wasteful? I'd say it is definitely needed. It is wasteful because that is more service than is required and there are other transit concerns in our region where that precious resource of a subsidy could and should go. LIRR will fill the main line even after 3rd track with reverse peak and boosted Ronkonkoma and PJ service That was taken into account by LIRR's own ridiculously ambitious numbers. Doubling of Port Jefferson branch EMU service (+6 trains) and more than doubling (+4 trains) on Ronkonkoma EMU service. that's where the 10 trains figure comes from, all of it to ESA, with not cuts anywhere. along with possible new MU service from Babylon if they electrify the central branch Speculation? Already with ESA, LIRR's too ambitious plan is +4 trains, all to ESA, no cuts. and possibly more OB trains if they can get their act together in the distant future The distant future when Towns of Oyster Bay and North Hempstead planning and land use gets with 21st century; perhaps this will happen in 22nd century. Until then, even the present amount of service is overkill. That's just the reality of it. but to cut down capacity when LI could have so much more in store for the future (IE office development in Nassau Hub I know quite a bit about the difficulties of development in Nassau and Suffolk Counties. It is freakishly difficult to do anything, let alone anything remotely large scale. They make NYC look great on development (most of our mistakes in NYC are in giving sweetheart deals to fat cats), in part because the Long Island towns have a stranglehold on development. Anyone who does even contemplates doing major development knows that it will take years of expensive litigation and even then it's probably all for nothing. I'm amazed that people will even put up with this business environment. You want development on LI? Better make it fit into a pre-existing office park zone. If not, too bad. Nassau Hub to be served via the secondary You spend all of this money on Oyster Bay HSR and doubling or more than doubling service needlessly and you'll never have money for actually viable projects. Unlike the US treasury, the debt can't pile on forever. |
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