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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Dec 26 15:37:40 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Dec 26 13:50:19 2009. The OB line is not a circuitous routing.We're talking about the same alignment? The one that takes the great circle route? The one that doesn't accord with the applicable principle that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line? Everything has the potential to be a very fast, very straight line, if you throw enough money at it. The question is whether throwing that money at the Oyster Bay Branch would be wasteful compared to other options. The Branch was built in a different time for a different purpose as part of a different alignment. There's plenty of population to serve between Glen Cove and Roslyn, and you've got south shore level density between Roslyn and Mineola. It's not merely a question of density, which in most of the areas is rather low. It's rather the question of whether LIRR provides a faster, cheaper commute to get where people in those areas want to go. The answer to that question is found by looking at the loading on the trains. I'm not saying build every one seat ride available, but a well deserved upgrade to the OB line Why is it, in your opinion, well deserved? By what criteria do you measure this desert, and is it an absolute or relative measure? Did the studies account for a 2nd track to Ronkonkoma? Yes; it is thought to be necessary or nearly so for the ESA upgrades to Ronkonkoma service to be implemented, along with Third Track. MU service from Babylon via Central Branch is speculation, but we can't speculate? You can speculate, but LIRR has no plans to electrify, and the ESA service increases proposed are already massive overkill. Everyone knows where the overcrowding problems on LIRR are: reverse peak trains and the easternmost 4 cars on NYP peak trains. Intra-island service is needed It certainly is. But LIRR was not designed with that in mind. It is essentially a commuter railroad. This wouldn't be so bad but for the fact of where most people in Nassau and Suffolk Counties work. Only mixed use walkable development near transit hubs will result in a role for LIRR in more commutes, and that's not on the radar. and where else are you going to run those trains to after Mineola? Turn them around on a center track in the middle of rush hour? I don't think so. The peak directional service? Send it to HPA and/or LIC or else terminate it at Jamaica. It may be difficult to develop on LI now, but little by little you'll see it happen. It's been a few years now, and no progress. Let's see some evidence of progress and I'll reconsider. |
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