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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin’s Family, Others

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:31:05 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin’s Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 14:30:43 2019.

SEPERATI0N NOT INTREGRATION

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 14:31:18 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:30:38 2019.

NO, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin’s Family, Others

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:31:27 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin’s Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 14:30:43 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:31:35 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 14:31:18 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:32:48 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 14:31:18 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by WayneJay on Wed Dec 4 14:34:10 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:15:27 2019.

His rules definitely change depending on the people involved. Here it is that wanna-be cop went after this kid for no good reason, ignored the police dispatcher's instrction to back off and let police (being dispatched) handle the situation, and we know the rest.

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:35:04 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by WayneJay on Wed Dec 4 14:34:10 2019.

YEP

HE WANTED TO MURDER HIM

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:35:53 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 14:05:00 2019.

Zimmerman's life was never "in danger". Zimmerman chose to accost Trayvon, chose to ignore the police operator's explicit instructions, chose to pursue Trayvon, who had every legal right to be where he was, and chose to physically attack Trayvon. It was only when Trayvon defended himself--as was his right--did Zimmerman produce a gun and proceed to kill Trayvon with it.

Those are the facts.

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:36:44 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:30:42 2019.

Zimmerman fired a bullet into Trayvon's body, causing Trayvon to die.

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 14:42:34 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:30:42 2019.

1. It does? "Killer" doesn't mean someone who killed?

2. It's only due to prosecutorial overreach that Zimmerman wasn't convicted of criminally negligent homicide at a minimum.




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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:45:13 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:36:44 2019.

Zimmerman fired a bullet in self defense (not stand your ground) because his life was in danger from being slammed against pavement from Martin. I believe the facts supported a charge of Aggravated Battery according to Florida's statutes. That would have taken the self defense aspect out of play. However, Aggravated Battery is not a homicide statute and therefore I do not agree with the label of killer. The Aggravated Battery statute would have resulted in a substantial jail sentence under Florida law, but I believe state attorney did not charge because they knew they could get a conviction on it versus the almost guaranteed acquittal on homicide charges.

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:50:03 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:45:13 2019.

OMG! Zimmermanattacked Trayvon, a minor child who had every lawful right to be where he was. Zimmerman was told to let the police handle it, but willfully ignored those instructions. The only one legitimately "defending himself" from anyone was Trayvon Martin. Trayvon should have enjoyed the protection of Florida's Stand Your Ground law, period. Zimmerman did, in fact, shoot and kill Trayvon, while acting in an extralegal manner. Zimmerman is a child killer.

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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:50:38 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 14:42:34 2019.

A definition of "kill" is "to commit murder."

It was more than prosecutorial overreach, although that played a role. Florida has an expansive reading of the common law concept of "self defense." Without getting into "stand your ground" which was never alleged in this case, the possibility of danger from being slammed to the pavement even if Zimmerman caused the danger still entitles you to that defense in Florida.

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:52:03 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:50:38 2019.

A definition of "kill" is also "to cause the death of another living thing".

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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:56:16 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:50:03 2019.

Stand your ground was never alleged. I agree Zimmerman could have avoided all of this by following instructions to let trained police handle, but as soon as the fight broke out each party was entitled to claim self defense under Florida's expansive self defense law. Based on the Florida statutes, a charge of Aggravated Battery would not have been subject to the same self defense law so that would have gone out the window had it been charged.

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:01:02 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:35:53 2019.

IAWTP

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:01:16 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:36:44 2019.

IAWTP

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:01:52 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:50:03 2019.

IAWTP

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:02:26 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:45:13 2019.

IDWTP

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:29:18 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:01:46 2019.

Is that like the "youths" or "teens" that the Media likes to throw around? Hardly a "child", but a perp. That being said, Zimmerman is a loose cannon who should be in prison due to his actions before, during, and after that incident. He's gonna kill someone else again.

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:28 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:01:02 2019.

figures

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:40 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:01:16 2019.

figures

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:47 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:01:52 2019.

figures

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:55 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 15:02:26 2019.

figures

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:31:52 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 14:31:35 2019.

Oy vey, we're back with THIS again?😩😩

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:34:35 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:31:52 2019.

And soon here comes the es tee ef you.

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:35:54 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:50:03 2019.

"Child"

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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 15:36:16 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:50:38 2019.

A definition of "kill" is "to commit murder."

But it's not the only definition. Therefore it is not incorrect to say that Zimmerman killed Martin.

If you are driving along totally legally and soberly and a child runs in front of your car and gets killed, you are still a child killer without your having committed any crime whatsoever.



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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:36:34 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 14:56:16 2019.

Yep. Asshole #1 met up with Jerkoff #2

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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 15:36:38 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:35:54 2019.

Not yet 18.


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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Dec 4 15:39:02 2019, in response to Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 13:07:38 2019.

They should let the "child" go on a killing spree in revenge.

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 15:50:49 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:29:18 2019.

A "perp"? Exactly what crime did Trayvon commit that makes him a "perp"?

Trayvon was 17 years old. In the eyes of the law, he was a minor.

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 16:05:18 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:40 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 16:05:34 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 15:50:49 2019.

IAWTP

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 16:06:08 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:34:35 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 16:06:21 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:28 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 16:06:37 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:47 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 16:06:46 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 15:30:55 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 16:06:59 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:31:52 2019.

What The Muslims Want

Excerpt from Message To The Blackman in America, 1965 by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own–either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master’s children and establish a land of their own.

We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States. We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land–or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities–NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education–but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women’s colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hindrance or suppression.
What The Muslims Believe

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead–not in physical resurrection–but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God’s choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more than the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America…

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master’s slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people’s names–the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality–as a nation–of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of “freed slaves.”

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their “friends.” Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited “Messiah” of the Christians and the “Mahdi” of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together

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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 4 17:06:58 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 4 15:29:18 2019.

So, basically you are saying All young people are PERPS.

And should be treated by society as such.

What a damning testimony, for who you are


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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 4 17:16:51 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 15:50:49 2019.

According to the NeoNazis here, he was 'Walking While Black'.

According to the Nazis,no Blacks,or Any one else should be on the street after sunset.
Also, Blacks/Jews/Hispanics should be identified by armbands, and tattoos... limited to certain circles of movement.. with no numbers greater than parties three.

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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:22:02 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 15:50:49 2019.

But old enough to vote and get a sex change, right?

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin’s Family, Others

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:24:12 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin’s Family, Others, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 4 13:56:02 2019.

I agree. I can only assume he's doing it now because his life is in even worse shape, and he's desperate for money.

Either that, or he has some opportunistic lawyer "representing" him....

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:27:07 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 14:35:53 2019.

I watched the trial. The vast majority of your statements are factually false.

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 4 17:29:45 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:27:07 2019.

Iawtlp

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 4 17:31:19 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:27:07 2019.

I definitely agree with that post or
IDAWTP.

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 17:37:11 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:22:02 2019.

Not old enough to vote.

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 4 17:38:18 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:27:07 2019.

Really? Which ones? I seriously doubt you actually watched the trial.

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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 4 17:38:44 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 4 13:29:30 2019.

As Martin was a minor,(a teenager not yet 18), and Zimmerman was a fully grown adult he Should by all means be called A CHILD MURDERER.

But, since the courts did Not find Me Zimmerman Guilty of a crime he by all means rightfully deserved,.. let's just say he Can't be 'a Child Murderer', since the Courts said he wasn't.

However, the very fact that this man's life has turned into crap, and he seeks relief by SUING the PARENTS of the VERY PERSON HE MURDERED is beyond ridiculous, but not beyond belief.


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Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 4 17:40:24 2019, in response to Re: Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family, Others, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 4 17:22:02 2019.

Nope.
not old enough to vote.



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