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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 11:10:25 2012 Now lets see......America now allows gays and lesbians to join the ranks of the military and to serve proudly, but the Boy Scouts don't want to believe that the same can be said about serving in the Boy Scouts with honor and dignity. Seems that the Boy Scouts haven't advanced over the years.From the NYDAILYNEWS.COM: Boy Scouts: Our 'anti-gay' policy stands No gays will be allowed in the Boy Scouts. 'The vast majority of the parents of youth we serve value their right to address issues of same-sex orientation within their family, with spiritual advisers, and at the appropriate time and in the right setting,' Bob Mazzuca, chief scout executive of Boy Scouts of America, said in a statement. By Christine Roberts / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 3:55 PM Chief scout executive Bob Mazzuca in Los Angeles. The Boy Scouts of America has staunchly defended its right to discriminate, excluding gays and atheists from its ranks, and overriding requests from some local units to soften those policies. The Boy Scouts of America announced Tuesday that it will continue to enforce its policy of barring gay scouts and leaders after a confidential two-year review. The organization came to the conclusion after it quietly formed an 11-person committee, comprised of scout executives and adult volunteers, in 2010 to evaluate the 102-year-old policy, Boy Scouts' national spokesman, Deron Smith, told the AP. Smith said that the group unanimously agreed "that this policy is absolutely the best policy for the Boy Scouts." The members of the committee were not named, however a statement released by the organization said that the group "included a diversity of perspectives and opinions." "The review included forthright and candid conversation and extensive research and evaluations - both from within Scouting and from outside of the organization," the statement said. The Boy Scouts announced in June that it was considering a resolution proposed at the organization's annual meeting that demanded an end to the long-standing policy. The organization will no longer continue to review that resolution in light of the committee's decision, according to the AP. Bob Mazzuca, chief scout executive of Boy Scouts of America, said in a statement that he understands "no single policy will accommodate the many diverse views among our membership or society." "The vast majority of the parents of youth we serve value their right to address issues of same-sex orientation within their family, with spiritual advisers, and at the appropriate time and in the right setting," Mazzuca added. MISSOURI EAGLE SCOUT ERIC JONES COMES OUT, LOSES BOY SCOUTS JOB The Scouts boasts nearly 2.7 million members and over 1 million adult volunteers - making it one of the country's largest youth organizations, according to ABC News. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the controversial policy in 2000, ruling 5-4 that the Boy Scouts was exempt from state laws that prohibit anti-gay discrimination. Smith said that the membership policy is not intended to be "a blanket statement or social commentary." "We teach our members to treat those with different opinions with courtesy and respect at all times and to adamantly oppose the mistreatment of others based on any perceived difference, including sexual orientation," Smith told the Daily News in an email. "The organization requests the same courtesy be extended in return." The announcement comes as several groups ramp up campaigns calling for an end to the ban. Jennifer Tyrrel, a lesbian mother from Ohio who was removed from her post as a Scout den leader because of her sexual orientation, is planning to present a petition asking for an end to the ban to Boy Scouts of America's Irving, Texas, headquarters Wednesday. The petition contains over 300,000 signatures and comments. GLAAD President Herndon Graddick said in a statement that it's time for the Boy Scouts to join the Girl Scouts of the USA, the Boys & Girls Club and the U.S. military in "allowing gay Americans to participate." "Until this ban is lifted, the Scouts are putting parents in a situation where they have to explain to their children why some scouts and hard-working scout leaders are being turned away simply because of who they are," Graddick added. LESBIAN COUPLE’S SON SPEECH GOES VIRAL; ZACH WAHLS WRITING BOOK ABOUT BEING RAISED BY TWO LOVING MOTHERS Wahls told the Daily News that he's dismayed by the policy, which he says goes against the group's values of "honesty and trustworthiness." "My hunch is that despite what the BSA might claim, the majority of Eagle Scouts do not support this policy," Wahls said. "A large part of this is coming down to saving face." With Wire News Services |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 11:25:09 2012, in response to NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 11:10:25 2012. They'll eventually crack too.The March of Progress cannot be stopped. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 11:31:47 2012, in response to NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 11:10:25 2012. It's going to be to their own demise that they continue with those policies. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 11:34:15 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 11:25:09 2012. Why would it necessarily be progress? Other groups haven't cracked. In fact I know of one significant group that has maintained its values for thousands of years and afaik hasn't made any significant changes like this* simply for a perceived advancement or progress.*A change of something being considered unacceptably bad to that something being considered acceptably good. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 11:35:21 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 11:31:47 2012. Why? Will gays become the overwhelming majority of our population, thus depriving the organization of members and leaders? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 11:37:35 2012, in response to NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 11:10:25 2012. Unlike the Armed Forces, the Boy Scouts are a private organization and can do whatever they damn well please. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 11:57:50 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 11:35:21 2012. In many places they won't have anyone volunteering to organize troops. That will serve to dwindle their membership. Other inclusive organizations will fill in the gap, kids will still be served (and get a better perspective about inclusiveness no doubt), but they won't be Boy Scouts. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:11:13 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 11:57:50 2012. Both your reasoning and your conclusion are ridiculous. You obviously know nothing about the organization. This is typical of you and Selkook - talking authoritatively about that which you know nothing about. Remember how I said that you are intellectually dishonest? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:12:03 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 11:34:15 2012. "Why would it necessarily be progress?"To STOP DISCRIMINATION is progress.....get it? look it up in some history book....IF YOU DARE SEEK THE TRUTH! |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:14:19 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:12:03 2012. Why is ALL discrimination necessarily bad? Like I already asked, why would it necessarily be progress? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:17:05 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 11:37:35 2012. "Unlike the Armed Forces, the Boy Scouts are a private organization and can do whatever they damn well please."Of course....much in the same way as some country clubs quietly discriminate against Blacks, Jews and Hispanics. God forbid if they ever openly show the rest of America their memberships records to show the racial makeup of their members. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:19:34 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:14:19 2012. "Why is ALL discrimination necessarily bad?"OK....so Turtle....lets turn the tables around now.......when is DISCRIMINATION EVER GOOD FOR SOCIETY AT LARGE? |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:22:21 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:17:05 2012. Huh? Surely the people in the local area are aware of the discrimination. So why would it matter that the membership lists are not available to all of America? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 12:22:22 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 11:34:15 2012. The group that you speak of survived because they reformed considerably over the centuries in order to maintain their membership.In fact they have given some of the most significant contributions to the unstoppable March of Progress. Had they kept operating as they did 2000 years ago there would be hardly any of them left. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 12:23:37 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 11:37:35 2012. The Boy Scouts want it both way.They want to do whatever they please while still asking for public funds from everybody. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:25:38 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:19:34 2012. I never said anything about it necessarily being good for society at large. But it might be good for some groups. And if you are part of those groups, you might even believe that it would be good for society at large. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:26:44 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:22:21 2012. "So why would it matter that the membership lists are not available to all of America?"America is all about FREEDOM....I know it does not exist in your mind.....but America was founded on liberty and freedom for all citizens. For example, there are still country clubs out there that still do not allow women full membership thus leaving them out of the picture. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:27:25 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 12:22:22 2012. Since I claimed that afaik there aren't any examples of a specific type of change, please list your examples. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 18 12:29:36 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 12:23:37 2012. The Boy Scouts receive no public funding, and cannot to begin with. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 12:29:45 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 12:23:37 2012. They should be allowed to do whatever they damn well please while receiving no public funds. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:29:57 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:25:38 2012. "And if you are part of those groups, you might even believe that it would be good for society at large."So.....when will you seek out membership to the Klu Klux Klan? "But it might be good for some groups." This is a ridiculous comment.....bordering on the same crap that comes out of Luchie's mouth! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 12:30:43 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:17:05 2012. Good for them. Freedom includes the freedom to found and operate exclusive organizations. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:32:02 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:26:44 2012. No, what you are saying does not make any sense. Not in the context of my question or even in any context. You are completely wrong/misguided/mental. If someone else here could translate what this nut job is writing and also figure out how it links back to this subthread, then please let me know. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 12:32:23 2012, in response to NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 11:10:25 2012. Apparently, being kicked out of every public school in America over this policy has taught the Scouts nothing. It's another example of the ways our youth arr taught that homosexuality is wrong and/or unacceptable on an institutional level. When a young Scout asks why gays are not allowed to be Scouts, what answer will he get, that doesn't imply or state outright that Scouting finds us unacceptable? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:32:47 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 18 12:29:36 2012. "The Boy Scouts receive no public funding, and cannot to begin with."So what does one of these websites mean then? Boy Scout may not receive government funding but they sure get it from the public. http://boyscoutfundraising.com/ |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:34:02 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:29:57 2012. The article clearly defines the group of people for whom this discrimination benefits. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:34:49 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 18 12:29:36 2012. http://www.scouting.org/Sponsors.aspx |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 12:35:15 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:19:34 2012. So churches should be allowed to admit atheists? |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:35:15 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 12:30:43 2012. Why does he not understand that? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 12:37:14 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 12:32:23 2012. More so since the Girl Scouts have allowed gays for decades. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 12:37:18 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 12:32:23 2012. You're not the only group that scouts find unacceptable. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:39:05 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:32:02 2012. "No, what you are saying does not make any sense."Nothing ever makes sense to you when you disagree with someone's opinion or comments. Another reason for the turtle label. "If someone else here could translate what this nut job is writing and also figure out how it links back to this subthread, then please let me know." Stop trying impress us with your intellectual bullshit here.....you know what I talking about.....you just refuse to understand what it being said to you......you must have a stubborn streak in that head of yours. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:41:43 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 12:32:23 2012. Lots of institutions teach that homosexual acts are forbidden/really bad. Why is it bad to teach children that certain things in this world are simply beyond a line that one must not cross? If that's what you believe, then why can't you teach it, and do all you can to prevent people from desiring it? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:42:11 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:34:02 2012. "The article clearly defines the group of people for whom this discrimination benefits."It ultiminately in the end will not benefit any boy in the Scouts. He will grow up know that some of his friends can't join and that discrimination against gays is OK. Again....it benefits no one in the end.....turtle. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:42:13 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:32:47 2012. SMDH |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:44:31 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:42:11 2012. No, that's not how it will be if handled intelligently and correctly. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 12:54:21 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:11:13 2012. Given that you know nothing about me,my background or experiences, you are in no position whatsoever to draw any conclusions.Many Scout troops and local organization have already dried up because they cannot find adults willing to put in the work to organize a troop. Those kids will have to find something else to do. What do you think the petition mentioned in the OP was all about? SYH! Read! |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 12:55:32 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:25:38 2012. SYH! Will you listen to yourself? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 12:56:38 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:44:31 2012. Discrimination is neither intelligent or correct. So it cannot be handled in either manner. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 12:56:59 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:14:19 2012. Right off the top of my head, I can thinl of reasons why the Scouts' discrimjnation against gays is "necessarily" bad:It teaches young Scouts that being gay is so unacceptably wrong that no gay teen or adult may become a member. It shows teens who discover they are gay, that Scouting finds them unacceptable just because of who they are. It reinforces the ostracism they may already have experienced in their families, churches, or schools. It sends a direct message to society at large, that homophobia is a core value of Scouting. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 13:06:05 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 12:30:43 2012. Actually that's fine. At the same time, they shouldn't expect to remain a cultural force, be resigned to be kept out of the public sphere (such as wearing a Scout uniform to school on meeting days), or allowed to come to public schools to recruit membership.As I said elsewhere, they'll still exist, but in a greatly diminished form. Future generations will see them as a hate club, and keep their kids away. Other inclusive organizations will fill the gap. Things change. Their own choices will bring it on themselves. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 13:07:03 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:41:43 2012. Because it's stupid and ruins lives. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 13:08:25 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:41:43 2012. Because teaching things like this inevitably leads to the beating and killing of LGBT people. You can say that homosexuality is against your own beliefs, and that's fine. But teaching people it is "forbidden" or a "line that must not be crossed" is going too far.Before you bring up pedophilia as a "line that [also] must not be crossed", I'll remind you that gays are not pedophiles. Gays have sex with other consenting adult gays. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 13:15:48 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:41:43 2012. Because some things like sexual preference are not learnable behavior. They're functions of biology. They are unable to be governed through taboos.Among some tribal cultures, homosexual men served to protect the camp while able bodied males were away at a hunt. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 13:19:17 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 13:15:48 2012. Waitaminnit, there, bingbong! What is this distinction you're making here between "homosexual" and "able-bodied" men? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 13:27:32 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 13:19:17 2012. Did not mean to offend. The distinction was intended to illustrate that older men did not participate in the hunt, regardless of sexual orientation.In the Ogala Sioux tribes, heterosexual men were hunters. Gay men were protectors...they dressed as women and lived within the tribe. Yes, they too were able bodied but functioned in a different role....they would provide protection for the women and children while the men, their husbands, were off at the hunt. There is no doubt this involved acts of bravery equal to any "legendary warrior". |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 18 13:32:57 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 18 13:27:32 2012. OK, I see. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 13:53:34 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:39:05 2012. No, I understand plenty of people whom I sometimes disagree with. Take jayzeebmt for example. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 13:57:04 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 12:41:43 2012. "Lots of institutions teach that homosexual acts are forbidden/really bad. "Sure...like the Westboro Baptist Church......your favorite no doubt...  "Why is it bad to teach children that certain things in this world are simply beyond a line that one must not cross? If that's what you believe, then why can't you teach it, and do all you can to prevent people from desiring it? " Why do seek excuses here for the positives of discrimination? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 14:00:39 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 18 12:35:15 2012. "So churches should be allowed to admit atheists? "Must Churches today have even signs that say.....ALL ARE WELCOMED....they make no distinction on who is allowed to enter a church. |
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