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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by trains61 on Wed Jul 18 23:36:12 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 18 23:18:41 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Grandma`s Church. My uncle Trainmaster Clifton also.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 23:51:52 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 14:02:36 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Any private organization that doesn't directly or indirectly get public funds should admit who they please.

Should a Polish-American Civic Organization admit Chinese and Bolivian people?

The Boy Scouts OTOH are a Congressionally Chartered Organization. As an official Patriotic Organization, they are allowed under the Flag Code to wear the American Flag on their uniforms while at the same time having an admission policy that is anything but patriotic.

Congress should pull their charter. Then they can become like Augusta National and freely discriminate without the official blessing of ALL the American People.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 23:56:31 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 18 19:49:12 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Two decades ago, their policy was merely controversial.

Nowadays, it is ridiculous, hateful and damaging.

Decades from now, the Scouts will look back at this with shame and say "what were we thinking?"



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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 19 00:01:17 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 18 16:59:00 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Having morals is NOT stupid.

Telling a kid that he cannot continue participating or get promoted within an organization that he loves over something like sexual orientation that he has no control over is not only immoral but also irresponsible and un-American.

The moral thing to do is the exact opposite.The Scouts top leadership should lead by example. In that they have failed miserably.


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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 19 01:05:17 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 12:12:03 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Evil never appears to be "EVIL"..
It always takes on a beautiful vestige..seducing us into its arms with sweet sounds of wants and desires..
Foolish MEN believe evil is FEARFULLY ugly..
If that were so..how ARE humans,who are so damnable in their self absorbed pride,always drawn to do what it wants?
Evil is not a cause..it just IS...
Evil is done for EVIL's sake..no more no less.

REAL Truth in the face of evil is light to darkness..shining brightly on those creeping place laying deep in the cracks of the world of the soul.It cannot abide..it runs..it hides always trying to escape that fear inducing piercing glare.
Evil's "truth" is the illusion sent to MEN WHO ARE WILLING to believe its siren song of deception..linked to a supposed cause.

Evil is "The Truth" of the deceived.


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Re: No gays in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 19 01:15:44 2012, in response to NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 18 11:10:25 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
They do have an oath where they swear to serve "God and country", you know.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 03:58:27 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 23:56:31 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
They probably will but for now they're just exercising the rights.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 06:11:53 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 18 22:36:54 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I told him the same thing and he claimed it meant I couldn't answer the question. He obviously has no idea how this stuff works.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 06:16:35 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 18 23:05:15 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You're wrong.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 06:18:10 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 18 23:56:31 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Nope.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 06:20:32 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 19 00:01:17 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Nope. It's not because of his orientation that he may or may not have control over - it is because of his choice to act on that orientation. He has control over that. If he wants to be a boy scout, he should exercise some control over it.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 08:04:03 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 06:11:53 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
There's too much "not giving an inch" on this stuff to see the forest for the trees. I don't think the BSA policy is so much geared toward the kids but to potential volunteers to work with the kids. It doesn't matter the orientation almost, as these days they're going to view any single guy who wants to work with young kids with suspicion. I'd just let go of this one and move to something more important.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 08:11:20 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 08:04:03 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I don't think the BSA policy is so much geared toward the kids but to potential volunteers to work with the kids.

Very Good Point a point that i should have made a bit more clear to JayZee when i 1st replied.

It doesn't matter the orientation almost, as these days they're going to view any single guy who wants to work with young kids with suspicion.

Yes it can bee seen that way which isnt cool but all you gotta do is look at whats going on these days.Lets not forget some of these sexual predators who got busted have had a wife and children of their own.

I'd just let go of this one and move to something more important.

This is SubChat Fred EVERYTHING is important to some folks..

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 08:25:37 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 08:04:03 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
By that logic, though, any single guy right out of grad school who becomes an elementary or middle school teacher should be looked upon with suspicion, too. Ditto single guys who work as camp counselors, operate Chuck E. Cheese franchises, or in youth hostels.

But what about a married gay man who has adopted a son that becomes a Scout? Shouldn't he be able to.participate in Scouting activities with his child?

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jul 19 09:13:15 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by trains61 on Wed Jul 18 22:52:25 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Mine was also, Troop 488. Don't remember the name of the church, was on New York Av near Bergen on Dean St? I remember one time (circa 1968), our den was going on a bus trip to Washington DC, so my mom had to drop me off early on a Saturday morning, but the car was in the shop, so we rode up on a B44 on a 1964 Flxible, I remember it because the rear door light was burned out, but I could tell by the sound when it was engaged (it scares me sometimes when I remember trivial shit like that from ages ago!)



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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 09:18:40 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 08:04:03 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
It may also be gay single parents and guy couples that are parents who want to volunteer as leaders. So not just childless creepy singles.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 09:32:51 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 08:25:37 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No because he has chosen to do gay acts and those aren't allowed in Boy Scouts.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 09:37:11 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 09:32:51 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Will you stop already? You can be gay without doing "gay acts" all the time. Do you do "straight acts" all the time? Your repeated harping on "gay behaviors" and "gay acts" as though these were constant, pathological aspects of being gay or lesbian, is just wrong.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 09:39:23 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 09:37:11 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
LOL!!!!!! No!!!! You're a riot!! You clearly said the gay man was married and adopted a son. That means he's married to a man. Obviously. So there for he is clearly doing gay acts!!!!!!!!

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 09:47:54 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 09:32:51 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
"No because he has chosen to do gay acts and those aren't allowed in Boy Scouts."

So when did the BSA ever say they were against gay acts? it is more like if you're a gay person, there is no entrance into the BSA for you....regardless of you're so-called gay acts.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 09:55:20 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 09:37:11 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You a grown gay man debating with a 30 something sheltered person about your lifestlye how smart is that? Just let it go it's pointless..

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 09:57:29 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 08:25:37 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I think any single men who want to work with kids are viewed with suspicion. At any rate, any private club has the right to discriminate with regard to membership. I don't think they should, but recognize their right to do so. I feel bad for the single dad with a son and don't hold the BSA in high regard, but it's their sandbox.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:00:26 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 09:57:29 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You don't have to like it just gotta deal with it..

THIW....

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 10:05:18 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 18 22:36:54 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
"How many 10 to 12 year olds are openly gay anyway? 2 or 3 in Manhattan..."

Now lets see Fred....there are roughly 8 million or so people in NYC. What statistics are you using here to come to the conclusion of ".... 2 or 3 in Manhattan...?"


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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:06:38 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 10:05:18 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
It's called scrcasm perhaps?

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 10:15:54 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 06:16:35 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Sounds like everyone on OT is wrong by default for you. How much arrogance to do sniff up your nose daily?

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 10:18:22 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 06:18:10 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
"Nope."

You really don't know alot....you assume you do but you don't ..Turtle.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:19:21 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 18 23:05:15 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Bullchit is his MO anyway..

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 19 10:25:48 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 19 08:04:03 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Very good points.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 19 10:30:47 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:06:38 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Forgive raving ricky. subtleties like sarcasm are often lost in that mud pie that he calls a brain.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 19 10:31:29 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:00:26 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Excellent point!!!

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:33:01 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 19 10:31:29 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Thank you... Going to go play good uncle today look for photos in the usual place...

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 10:33:53 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 09:39:23 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Marriage is a ”gay act””? Oh, how foolish of me. I thought marriage between gays was still illegal in 30 states, but somehow it's a ”gay act”...

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 19 10:34:59 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:33:01 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Going up the Hudson today to take train pictures, then dinner with wife and friends. Look for photos in the usual place.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:01:36 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 09:47:54 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The only way they'd know you are gay is if you act on it.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:03:08 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 09:55:20 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Nope. But you're an idiot since you don't understand what is going on. What you described is not what we are discussing. Get a clue. Come back when you've got it. LOL!

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:04:45 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 10:05:18 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Wow. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 19 11:06:50 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:04:45 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
LOL, you are just realizing that now????

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 19 11:08:12 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 10:33:53 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
??????????????????????????????????????

Married people have sex with eachother (well I would hope so).
So if they are married, OBVIOUSLY they are F'ing eachother.
So yes, if they are married, they are doing it.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:09:17 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 10:15:54 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Doesn't sound like that at all. You're just an idiot.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:09:55 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 19 10:18:22 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Actually I do know a lot. And you know that.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:13:07 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 19 10:19:21 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Pointing out others' bullshit you mean. Because you nor anyone else can show any pattern of bullshit from me. Obviously. If you could you would have a long time ago. I've been saying for years that no one can show such and sure enough, no one has. Obviously. You fools are all talk and no show and you're only fooling the other fools like streetcarman and Edwards.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 11:13:08 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:01:36 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
So then, by your definition, the only way people would know you're straight is if you act on it. Does this mean you're straight if you dress a certain way, speak a certain way, or carry yourself a certain way? How do you ”flaunt” your heterosexuality?

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 19 11:14:07 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 19 11:06:50 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Even a broken clock will be correct twice a day. This is one of those times that weinberg is correct.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:16:13 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 19 11:08:12 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
LOL, why did we need to explain this to him? I mean he's not married and he's still getting a little something something (he said something about picking up guys at the gym and going back to either his place or the other guy's place).

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 19 11:16:35 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 11:13:08 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No, I think that the default presumption is straight.

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:18:15 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 10:33:53 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
See Chris's post. And even in the odd chance a married gay couple was not having sex, THEY ARE A MARRIED GAY COUPLE! HOW IS THAT *not* ACTING GAY????

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 19 11:20:28 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:16:13 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Exactly. Most people have sex even if they are not married, , lol, but if they are married, it SHOULD be an absolute given, unless their is something physically wrong with one of the people....

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 19 11:22:38 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:18:15 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
LOL. Yeah, it's one of those statements which are cut and dry. Even on the rare odd extremely slight chance a married couple is not having sex, how in the world is a MARRIED gay couple not "acting gay"??
LMAO!!!

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Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 19 11:24:44 2012, in response to Re: NO GAYS in the Boy Scouts was confirmed this past Tuesday, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 19 11:13:08 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No, I didn't say or imply that at all. I think it's obvious how people know you are straight.

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