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NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 20:53:46 2012 Story here |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 21:23:59 2012, in response to NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 20:53:46 2012. btw- this is not troll bait to fight over the condition of Nassau Coliseum. I just find it interesting that Barclays is seen as "inconvenient". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 21 21:27:46 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 21:23:59 2012. It's not the location of Nassau Coliseum that sucks, it's the stadium itself. The location is fine. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 21:29:34 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 21 21:27:46 2012. I mean the article. It says that the new arena, Barclays in Brooklyn, is inconvenient for Long Island and Queens fans. I find that interesting considering the public transportation options. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 21 21:35:25 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 21:29:34 2012. Perhaps. It's not as convenient as Nassau Coliseum which Long Islanders can conveniently drive to. Driving to Brooklyn is a PITA, and then it's even harder to park. Taking the train to Brooklyn is a PITA.I never said the location of Nassau was inconvenient. It's actually highly convenient for LOng Islanders. It's the stadium that's a dump, not the location. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 21 21:55:08 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 21:23:59 2012. It's probably "inconvenient" because the hip hop clubs that they want to open in the area make it unsafe for hockey fans. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 22:00:19 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 21 21:55:08 2012. LOL. I think the venue owner owns the nightclubs too. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 21 22:12:09 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 21 21:55:08 2012. Hoodies, Hip Hop and Hockey...a deadly cocktail of terror.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 21 22:17:29 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 21 22:12:09 2012. lol. I was terrified at "Brooklyn". |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 21 22:18:58 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 21 22:17:29 2012. haha, come to Brooklyn, where the fights never end :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 23:02:51 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 21 22:12:09 2012. The Rangers fans have a terrible rep. LIRR gets tons of complaints about those rowdy fans. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Apr 21 23:15:51 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 21 21:35:25 2012. Oh god, how fucking hard is it to get a train there? YOU HAVE TO CHANGE AT JAMACIA!!! The horrors!It's like going to MSG only you change trains. Really, Islanders fans aren't so dumb they can't figure it out on their own, I mean shit, Rangers and Nicks fans can get it right most of the time... |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 21 23:25:46 2012, in response to NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 20:53:46 2012. In other words:1) Our fans are far more apprehensive about going to Brooklyn than Manhattan. OR 2) If our fans have to pay LIRR fares to Zone 1, they'd rather see the Rangers. Bettman said at an Associated Press Sports Editors meeting that the league was helping the Islanders explore their options “in the metropolitan area” and that moving the team to outside New York was not currently being considered. Which leaves the question of where a stadium would go, and who'd be dumb enough to subsidize the Islanders. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 22 00:07:28 2012, in response to NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 20:53:46 2012. That presumes that John Tavares, who had a breakout season, isn't one of the league's top stars by this point.In the meantime, I may take in a KHL game if they actually follow through with their plans to play games at Barclays. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 22 01:08:33 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 21:23:59 2012. inconvenient? or perhaps undesirable.. as far as the travel arrangements go?If you are a KNICK,RANGER,YANKEE,NETS,METS or DEVIL fan..you'll have to travel to to and through NYC FOR games.. Football? forgetaboutit...! |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Apr 22 01:38:18 2012, in response to NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 20:53:46 2012. If they won't move to Brooklyn then it's time for the League to step in and move them somewhere useful. Quebec City, Mississauga/Hamilton, Seattle, and Houston have all expressed an interest in a team. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:05:02 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 23:02:51 2012. That's only because Rangers fans actually use the LIRR. Islanders fans do not (except in the rare cases when they are playing the Rangers). So of course you won't get complaints about Islanders fans, as they don't use the railroad. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:07:09 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by nasadowsk on Sat Apr 21 23:15:51 2012. ???????????????????????????Who said they can't or don't how? Currently all they have to do is get in their cars and drive and parking is extremely easy. How much easier can you get? It's a PITA to take the train when you are used to simply driving. What's with the cursing? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:10:20 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 21 23:25:46 2012. No ones "apprehensive" about going to Manhattan or Brooklyn, but when you currently have a stadium that's in a very easy location to drive to and park at, in a population that's used to driving anyway for everything, and then you take that easy option away, yes, it would be a PITA. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:13:24 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 22 01:08:33 2012. Travel arrangements for the most part. While yes, you have to travel to any of those other teams, Nassau Coliseum site is very centrally located and easy to get to for most Long Islanders, even if you are in suffolk. It's a short drive, very easy to park. Anything involving the city often takes away the "easy driving" option. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:15:03 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by WillD on Sun Apr 22 01:38:18 2012. NYC already has a hockey team, they don't really need two. While the fanbases obviously overlap even where they are now, there's still a distinctive fanbase that will be eroded if it's also a city team. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 22 07:34:21 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:07:09 2012. OK, after reading 4 or 5 of your posts in this thread:WHAT IS PITA??Thank you
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 22 07:45:48 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 22 07:34:21 2012. PainIn The Ass I think you can appreciate this :) your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 08:10:00 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by nasadowsk on Sat Apr 21 23:15:51 2012. It's like going to MSG only you change trains.Going to MSG is a pain too when you are used to simply driving to the stadium, and easily parking. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 22 08:37:32 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by nasadowsk on Sat Apr 21 23:15:51 2012. "Oh god, how fucking hard is it to get a train there? YOU HAVE TO CHANGE AT JAMACIA!!! The horrors!It's like going to MSG only you change trains." For US because we're all railfans. But not everyone is a railfan. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 22 09:44:19 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 22 08:37:32 2012. I am a railfam and hate taking the train to the city...snd rately do. I much prefer to drive. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 22 09:45:27 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 22 09:44:19 2012. I meant rarely so. Its a PITA...even direct |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 22 11:40:44 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 22 09:44:19 2012. I go half way. I rarely take the LIRR but usually drive to Queens and take the subway. Especially on Sundays when I usually go when you don't have to feed the meter you can usually find a spot right at the subway staircases at either Union Tnpk or 75th Av. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 13:12:59 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 22 11:40:44 2012. Yeah, I have done that myself. I almost never take the LIRR into Manhattan, but I if I don't drive into Manhattan, I do often drive to a subway station in Brooklyn or Queens, park, and then take the subway into Manhattan.I have done that for Yankees games to, although then I usually drive the Grand Central to the Triborough Bridge, park around 125th St and Lexington, take the 4 train up 3 stops. After the game, jump on the subway down a few stops, hop in my car, and within minutes I am back on the Grand Central... I avoid taking the LIRR whenever possible, as I like to be on my own schedule. There wouldn't be an easy way to drive to the Barclays Center, it's almost a force that you would have to take the LIRR, and that would suck. I don't have the patience anymore for the LIRR, call me "spoiled", but I just don't want to do it anymore. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 22 13:18:12 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:10:20 2012. The question is, can the Islanders garner a new city-related fanbase to compensate for that lost by the move from the Nassau Coliseum? IOW, are the Islanders the Nets? Basketball has a significant appeal to inner city minorities. Hockey? Even I don't like it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:02:58 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by WillD on Sun Apr 22 01:38:18 2012. You forgot the Sprint Center in Kansas City.Quebec City did approve construction so the new arena will be built with or without an NHL team. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 22 14:06:31 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:02:58 2012. Why would the NHL move to Ville de Québec? Would that make any money? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:09:57 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 22 14:06:31 2012. They want a new arena and the Islanders don't draw well. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 22 14:12:34 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:09:57 2012. That would make sense if television didn't exist. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:15:42 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 22 14:12:34 2012. I don't know how lucrative the Islanders television deal is. They have no chance of starting their own RSN in NY. In Canada, they might do just as well on television because of the status of hockey up there. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 22 14:17:02 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:02:58 2012. Is Quebec not as hockey friendly as the rest of Canada? I remember when they had a team (Nordiques) and they had some success. Canada would seem to be the ideal destination for the Islanders if they move. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 22 14:25:36 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:15:42 2012. They need both, but as a league they need viewers more than luxury box suites. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:27:43 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 22 14:25:36 2012. They will never have viewers. They have a strong male demographic for advertisers and draw well enough in most cities to survive. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:53:32 2012, in response to NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 21 20:53:46 2012. In the latest volley between the New Jersey Devils and Newark Mayor Corey Booker, the NHL team’s managing partner says he now regrets bringing the team to town.Jeff Vanderbeek told the Star-Ledger of Newark that friends warned him not to invest $185 million to help the city build the Prudential Center. Booker has criticized Vanderbeek after arbitrators ruled April 3 largely in favor of the Devils in an ongoing dispute over shared arena proceeds. Booker called Vanderbeek a “high-class, highfalutin’ huckster and hustler” and “one of the most despicable owners” in the NHL. Vanderbeek called the remarks unfair and accused Booker of political grandstanding. “In maybe a year-and-a-half, he’s trying to undo six years of being this outsider because he may have to get elected mayor again,” Vanderbeek told the Star-Ledger. “I’m the most convenient target.” Booker had previously praised Vanderbeek as a “lifelong partner” to the city, who had created a “community center” with the arena. Vanderbeek took note of the change of heart. “You have a mayor saying to business, ‘You come in and I’ll cut you a deal,’” Vanderbeek told the paper. “But if I don’t like you in a couple of years, or if something happens, or if I get up on the wrong side of the bed, you know what? I’m coming after you.” Despite the flame war, Vanderbeek says he is “still open to doing anything that will benefit the city of Newark. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 18:19:25 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 22 13:18:12 2012. Not a chance, that's the problem. NYC doesn't need two hockey teams. The fan base is thinned out enough just being in the NYC Metro area, much less in the city itself. Lots of LIers are Rangers fans too. Hockey has a more limited following than any of the four major sports, hockey being after Football as first, baseball, basketball. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Apr 22 18:24:56 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 18:19:25 2012. Lots of LIers are Rangers fans too.That's a lie, Chris, and you know it. Please redact or retract that statement at your earliest convenience but prior to 230100Z APR12, and thanks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 18:28:38 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 14:15:42 2012. Even when the Islanders are on, you don't even see them playing in bars around here, the Rangers and even the Devils are on more. Hockey isn't a huge sport. It may be bigger than Soccer for example, but even if an Islanders game is on, it doesn't mean it will even play in local bars, unlike football or baseball where you always see the local football or baseball teams on if they are on. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 18:36:14 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Apr 22 18:24:56 2012. I'm an Islanders fan, but I admit there's a huge Rangers following, many of my friends are too. I know you are being sarcastic, so there's no need to elaborate.But it was sobering going to an Islanders game at Nassau in which they were playing the Rangers a year ago. It was quite sobering seeing a home stadium being taken over by the visiting team's fans. The place was about 60-40 in the Rangers favor (and I am probably being kind). Every time the usual chant would start "Let's Go Islanders", it was immediately taken over and changed to Rangers. I never seen a home stadium go so much over to the visiting side. The Islanders were like a visiting team in their own stadium, it was sad actually. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 18:53:12 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Apr 22 18:24:56 2012. That's a lie, Chris, and you know it. Please redact or retract that statement at your earliest convenience but prior to 230100Z APR12, and thanks.Seems like most of the Rangers fans take the LIRR. They are a problem too. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Apr 22 19:02:22 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 08:10:00 2012. From what I can tell, people who live along NJ Transit rail lines that stop at Newark Penn Station have no problem riding the train to the Devils games at Prudential Center compared to driving to the Meadowlands where they used to play... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 19:05:42 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Apr 22 19:02:22 2012. That's great for them, but I would SO rather drive than take a hell train ride to Flatbush. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 22 19:49:09 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by WillD on Sun Apr 22 01:38:18 2012. Mississauga and Hamilton - Toronto Maple Leafs would object, and Copps Coliseum in Hamilton (which will be vacant after next season unless a junior hockey team, probably the Erie Otters, whose lease is up, moves in) is not exactly up to NHL standards.Houston - more likely a possibility for the Coyotes if their ownership situation cannot be settled. Seattle - not without a new arena; the junior hockey team that shared the arena with the Sonics left the then-KeyArena the same year the Sonics left because the sightlines were horrible. Quebec City is most likely the destination for the Islanders if not Brooklyn. An arena must seat at least 15,000 for ice hockey (the current smallest arena in the NHL is 15,004 seats in Winnipeg). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 21:23:58 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 06:05:02 2012. That's only because Rangers fans actually use the LIRR. Islanders fans do not (except in the rare cases when they are playing the Rangers). So of course you won't get complaints about Islanders fans, as they don't use the railroad.It's their behavior. They are assholes. Loud obnoxious blowhards. Islanders fans aren't like that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 22 21:32:25 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 22 21:23:58 2012. How would you know if they rarely take the train to their games unless they are playing the Rangers in MSG? |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sun Apr 22 21:34:05 2012, in response to Re: NHL: Brooklyn would be hard for Islanders fans, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 22 19:49:09 2012. Hartford should be on this list. Sadly, Dan Malloy would rather use taxpayer money to lock up people for decades more than needed than to bring the Whalers back and build a new arena. |
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