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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jul 19 16:59:22 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 19 12:12:13 2025.* Everyone has the money to eat in the first world.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Jul 19 18:35:24 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 19 16:59:03 2025.* I somewhat disagree. It's the food quantity impacting hormones too.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jul 19 19:32:51 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 19 18:35:24 2025.* No. You can’t violate the laws of thermodynamics. You use a certain amount of energy to live, you can’t make your body much more or less energy efficient using “hormones.” One nutritional Calorie is a unit of energy equal to exactly 4,184 kg•m²/s².
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 01:01:55 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 19 19:32:51 2025.* That is mostly true. However macros matter. Fat, carb, protein ratios make a difference. If someone if overweight on 2000 daily calories, you can change their macro ratios while keeping total calories the same, and they will lose weight.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jul 20 09:49:53 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 19 19:32:51 2025.* True, but: - More or less of the fat and sugar you ingest can go out in your poop. - More or less of the fat and sugar you ingest can be converted to heat that your body radiates. This is based both on how much exercise you undertake as well as your innate metabolism. There is no reason to disbelieve that to some degree your metabolism can be affected by the substances you ingest.
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Re: The Spider-Pig Diet
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Jul 20 10:39:54 2025, in response to The Spider-Pig Diet, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 8 03:03:56 2011.* switch to seltzer, it comes in flavors, no toxins, and cheaper.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 20 14:48:56 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by AlM on Sun Jul 20 09:49:53 2025.* So people should run a fever to lose weight? Maybe an ice bath helps! The only reason your metabolism slows down when you lose weight is because you have less mass to move around and to heat up. Exercise works—at least in theory. But if you look up how many calories even strenuous exercise burns, the numbers are pretty bleak.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 20 14:49:53 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 01:01:55 2025.* The only reason they would lose weight is because the different ratios would make them feel more sated with fewer calories.
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Re: The Spider-Pig Diet
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 20 14:52:19 2025, in response to Re: The Spider-Pig Diet, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jul 20 10:39:54 2025.* No
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 15:18:55 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 14:49:53 2025.* The nerve of Terrapin Station responding to Peter Rosa about cars, while ignoring my simple humble request to find schmaltz. You are somewhat right about satiety. But you overlook hormones. For example if I eat 60 grams of fat with just 15 of 60 from saturated fat, my T levels drop and I gain weight. If I increase saturated to 25 and lower mono and polyunsaturated I lose weight even though total fat is 60 grams.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jul 20 15:28:02 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 14:48:56 2025.* But if you look up how many calories even strenuous exercise burns, the numbers are pretty bleak. Those numbers don't generally include that you radiate excess heat for a while after you exercise. But I agree, even with that the numbers are bleak.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 15:40:29 2025, in response to Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 2 14:12:59 2025.* Hey Terrapin, why won't you help us find schmaltz. You are observant and should have input.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 15:45:36 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 14:48:56 2025.* Exercise can actually lead to weight gain or fat storage over time. Especially steady state cardio. I can't explain the reasons because I couldn't break 1000 on the SAT but it's related to thyroid production and basal metabolic rate. Interval training is best for fat loss and hormones.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 20 16:46:41 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 15:18:55 2025.* If your T goes down then what happens is that you become more lethargic, so your activity level goes down.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 17:25:31 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 16:46:41 2025.* Which is why diet has to be optimal. Macros and calories have to be ideal for fat loss, muscle mass, and hormone levels. You can reach ideal weight and hormone levels without exercise.
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Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 17:25:34 2025, in response to Re: The Sugar Diet(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 16:46:41 2025.* Which is why diet has to be optimal. Macros and calories have to be ideal for fat loss, muscle mass, and hormone levels. You can reach ideal weight and hormone levels without exercise.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sun Jul 20 20:29:14 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 15:40:29 2025.* I thought bingbong settled the schmaltz procurement issue.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 20 21:24:15 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 15:40:29 2025.* Schmalz isn’t used as much as used to be because of a wide variety of vegetable-based oils, which are pareve.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 23:14:55 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 21:24:15 2025.* Thanks.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 23:15:29 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 20 20:29:14 2025.* She is able to find it in upstate NY.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Jul 20 23:18:03 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 23:15:29 2025.* She is a wonderfully resourceful woman
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jul 20 23:48:01 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 20 23:18:03 2025.* I think she enjoys the outdoors in beautiful upstate NY. She was into rucking but hasn't mentioned it lately.
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Jul 21 00:22:30 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 20 00:11:49 2025.* PORK KILLS
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Jul 21 00:35:23 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jul 21 00:22:30 2025.* FALSE
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Jul 21 00:36:43 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jul 21 00:22:30 2025.* Thanks for attacking. I have no beef with you. Anyway, did you no that pigs aren't native to the Americas? They got here because colonists from England and Spain traveled with pigs so they would have food. That's how pork became a staple in our food supply.
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Jul 21 00:37:10 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jul 21 00:22:30 2025.* Thanks for attacking. I have no beef with you. Anyway, did you know that pigs aren't native to the Americas? They got here because colonists from England and Spain traveled with pigs so they would have food. That's how pork became a staple in our food supply.
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Jul 21 00:41:11 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 00:36:43 2025.* ignore misspelling. I corrected it.
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Jul 21 00:52:51 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 00:35:23 2025.* My old high school classmate does not eat pork for both health concerns and humane reasons. Health concerns. Experts have told us to reduce or eliminate red meats. Pork, beef and lamb are red meats. Humane reasons. I can understand this. We all love animals. Anyway, he eliminated red meat and does not eat real butter or whole milk dairy. He keeps gaining weight.
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Jul 21 02:27:06 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 00:35:23 2025.* TRUE PORK KILLS ALL POISON
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Jul 21 02:27:50 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 00:36:43 2025.* NO JUST FACTS PORK KILLS
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Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Mon Jul 21 02:28:13 2025, in response to Re: Lard found(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 00:37:10 2025.* OK NO ATTACK JUST FACTS SIR
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Jul 23 20:50:17 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 21:24:15 2025.* You just hit the nail on the head. And the reason why some gourmet, "upscale", "foodie" butcher shops sell chicken fat, or schmaltz, is to cater to a population of people who focus on animal fat, and avoid the "industrial seed oils" aka vegetable oil. The Meat Hook in Greenpoint is an example of such a butcher shop. They always have schmaltz. So does Foster Sundry. They aren't kosher or in Jewish neighborhoods. But their clientele demands animal fats. Leaf lard. Tallow. Schmaltz. I might post a List of Jewish subchatters who don't know where to find schmaltz.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Aug 6 20:57:46 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 20 21:24:15 2025.* You're right. Vegetable oils have largely replaced animal fats. This is the argument made in the Israeli Paradox. I've gone in to kosher butcher shops and supermarkets and no one carries schmaltz. I did find one kosher supermarket on the Upper West Side who lists it on the menu. But for the most part it's hard to find. One of the reasons is all humans regardless of ethnicity or religion, are eating more vegetable oils than animal fat than previous generations. The schmaltz is one reason why chicken soup is medicinal. List of Jewish subchatters who don't give a fuck if I think schmaltz is healthy will be posted before sabbath.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 6 21:21:01 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 6 20:57:46 2025.* I just think it's because vegetable oils are cheaper and more readily available. Palm oil is huge. Even back in ancient times, olive oil was a thing and it was what was used in Israel going back to the time of the prophets (or earlier).
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Aug 6 21:36:13 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 6 21:21:01 2025.* Price is part of it. But so is dietary advice from American Heart Association and every health expert. Every expert and doctor is advising lower saturated fats. Schmaltz actually doesn't have a lot of saturated fat anyway. Olive oil was always seasonal. It would go rancid. It still is harvested in November in the Mediterranean region. Years ago, it had to be used by around April or May to avoid rancidity. This is why the Catholic Church created Lent rules that encourages using up all the Olive Oil in April. Anyway, you're right about availability. I've seen kosher cooking oils under the name brank Gefen.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Aug 7 00:45:07 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 6 21:36:13 2025.* Wasn’t that debunked about saturated fats? I remember margarine being considered healthier than butter, and then everyone did a 180 on that.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Aug 7 01:22:04 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 7 00:45:07 2025.* I don't think it was debunked because the daily values on food labels still show about 22 grams of saturated fat as the limit. Many places still serve margarine but people think it's butter. Also, many businesses that serve butter actually serve a butter/soybean oil blend.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by AlM* on Thu Aug 7 08:32:56 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 7 00:45:07 2025.* The Mayo Clinic still prefers unsaturated fats over saturated fats (and those over trans fats) but some margarine (especially the sticks) has more saturated fat than other margarine.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Oct 4 18:10:35 2025, in response to Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 2 14:12:59 2025.* Today I was at a Shabbos service and there was herring in shmaltz from Benz’s. Looks like they don’t sell raw shmaltz though.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Oct 4 20:15:10 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 4 18:10:35 2025.* Was it good?
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Oct 4 20:33:10 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Oct 4 20:15:10 2025.* Yes.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sat Oct 4 21:28:14 2025, in response to Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 2 14:12:59 2025.* I thought there was a thread on this already? Anyway, I know guys who have giant tubs of this stuff or herring. Have a hard time getting into it. I could see loving it if I grew up with it maybe. I'm on the cusp of really liking it, but I have a hard time. I think ethnically I want it. Traditionally, it's not my thing. Herring and Schmaltz makes me turbulent in my inner struggle.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sat Oct 4 21:37:25 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 4 20:33:10 2025.* I bet it was!
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by terRAPIN station* on Sun Oct 5 19:48:14 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 4 18:10:35 2025.* I assume it was served at kiddish afterwards and not during the service itself.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Oct 5 20:40:46 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by terRAPIN station on Sun Oct 5 19:48:14 2025.* Yes.
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Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Mon Oct 6 08:51:10 2025, in response to Re: Schmaltz(Re: The Spider-Pig Diet), posted by terRAPIN station on Sun Oct 5 19:48:14 2025.* What makes you think that?
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Re: The Spider-Pig Diet
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Oct 18 02:44:18 2025, in response to The Spider-Pig Diet, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 8 03:03:56 2011.* Years ago I increased my fat intake. At one point I was eating over 100 grams of fat of which 60-75 grams came from saturated fat. The recommended daily allowance is about 25 grams of saturated fat or 70 grams total. I gained weight. But it's interesting that it took so much saturated fat to feel like crap. When I eat about 30 grams of saturated fat, slightly over the daily value, it works.
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Re: The Spider-Pig Diet
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Oct 18 03:25:04 2025, in response to Re: The Spider-Pig Diet, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Oct 18 02:44:18 2025.* Regular food items, 1 lb of ricotta(whole milk) daily A slice of cheesecake. 1/2 lb ground pork or beef Mozzarella 1/2 lb ball Dark chocolate Olive oil(this actually isn't high in saturated fat) Sometimes chicken thighs Raw whole milk Siggi's whole milk yogurt
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Re: The Spider-Pig Diet
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Oct 18 11:20:45 2025, in response to Re: The Spider-Pig Diet, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Oct 18 02:44:18 2025.* I don’t pay attention to macronutrients.
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Re: The Spider-Pig Diet
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Oct 18 11:40:04 2025, in response to Re: The Spider-Pig Diet, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 18 11:20:45 2025.* I don't count every single calories or macros daily, but do have an idea of what I'm eating. Tracking saturated fat is interesting. The amounts can vary greatly if you eat animal fat like I listed, or eat peanut butter or French fries.
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