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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 11:08:21 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 09:03:19 2011. "You are entitled to dislike Obama's leadership,"Hey guy, I certainly do really appreciate that. You mean that YOU actually are going to allow me to be critical of this president because I am totally dissatisfied with the job that he is doing? You mean that when I say he's shown a total lack of leadership, you are not going to accuse me of being racist? You mean that when I say he's made a mess of the economy you are not going to say it's because he's black that I'm so critical? You mean to say that when I call him on his inept programs of throwing billions at problems, you won't say that I want to see black people held back? You mean to say that if I think that obamacare is the boondoggle of all political boondoggles, you'll agree that I might have legitimate concerns and it's not because obama is the first black president? Geez, I'm so greatful to you for being so fair. Thank you so much. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 28 11:10:33 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 09:44:43 2011. people like youThat's racist. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 11:14:24 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 11:08:21 2011. You aren't allowed to do any of those things, as he's Black, and it's racist you know to criticize him. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 11:14:27 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 11:01:18 2011. See? This is how it starts. Ignorant people don't understand how something basic works and suddenly there's a conspiracy.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 11:15:34 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 28 11:10:33 2011. ???? To say people, activists like he is, is "racist" now? LOL. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 11:19:10 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 11:15:34 2011. I think that was tongue in cheek but I'll let him tell you that.Today must be International Comedy Day or something. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 28 11:23:55 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 11:15:34 2011. That's also racist. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:07:07 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 10:48:06 2011. And they could have been silences quickly by releasing this birth certificate. You know what Obama did here is indefensible. You know he allowed this to fester for personal political gain. We now ALL know this. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:07:18 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 10:48:06 2011. And they could have been silenced quickly by releasing this birth certificate. You know what Obama did here is indefensible. You know he allowed this to fester for personal political gain. We now ALL know this. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 12:21:29 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:07:07 2011. Obama did nothing wrong. The issue is with the crazies who didn't understand what he had already provided was bona fide proff of his citizenship. Telling them to pound sand is a sane and reasonable approach.What you're doing here is basically constructing another conspiracy theory. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 12:30:12 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 12:21:29 2011. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Obama's entire response to the birther issue was based on political motives.Would that be legit? I would say yes. We all agree that politics is part of life, and that making your opponents look like idiots is part of the game. Obama refuted the ineligibility question with a legal document. It was good enough to get him a passport, after all. It was good enough that no Secretary of State challenged his position on the ballot. So he actually made a good faith attempt to address the real legal issue. But he didn't go one step further and release one additional document that has no greater legal value. He wanted to make his opponents look like idiots. Is that wrong? Hint: if you say yes, there are thousands of examples of other politicians doing things just to make their opponents look like idiots. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:30:40 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 12:21:29 2011. Obama did nothing wrong. The issue is with the crazies who didn't understand what he had already provided was bona fide proff of his citizenship.And when they cried that it was insufficient, he had a piece of paper which would have totally destroyed their arguments. He could have released it. Yet he never did, until yesterday. Why? You know why. You don't want to admit it. We now know birtherism was an obsession of the left, not right: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/top-stories/129708/factchecking-obama-birther-controversy-was-3-4-of-newshole-economy-was-39/ FOX News barely covered this thing, and when they did, it was likely on shows dominated by liberals (Geraldo, Shep Smith). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 12:33:16 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 12:30:12 2011. It was good enough to get a passport, after all??? A naturalized citizen, as well as a natural born citizen can get a passport. The point? He wanted to make his opponents look like idiots. Is that wrong? Nope, not at all. But of course when his opponents want to make Obama look like an idiot, it's "racist". |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 12:34:56 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:07:18 2011. personal political gainHorror of horrors! Unprecedented! You're overlooking a long tradition of high ranking politicians doing things for personal political gain. How about Roosevelt's "Martin, Barton, and Fish" speeches and Nixon's Checkers speech. Neither was about substance; both were about belittling your enemies. Both worked. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 12:39:15 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 12:33:16 2011. ??? A naturalized citizen, as well as a natural born citizen can get a passport. The point?May I suggest putting your brain in gear. The State Department accepted the document as genuine. They would have accepted other documents (such as naturalization papers) as proof of citizenship as well. But Obama didn't have those other documents. He had a machine printed birth certificate with a raised seal. My feeling is that if the State Department accepts a document as genuine, you have fulfilled your legal responsibility. Now you can toy with your opponents and make them look like morons if they keep up the harassment. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 12:45:07 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 12:39:15 2011. The State Department accepted the document as genuine. they would have accepted other documents....And? The requirements for getting a passport are different than for becoming president. In fact, the citizenship required is quite different for one. Passport requirements are utterly irrelevant, and the fact that the State Dept issued a passport to him is irrelevant. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 12:46:11 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 12:34:56 2011. Of course. It happened since the beginning, and always have. Of course now when people do it to Obama, it's "racist". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:48:27 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 12:30:12 2011. But he didn't go one step further and release one additional document that has no greater legal value. He wanted to make his opponents look like idiots. Is that wrong?Except that's not why he sat on this document. Why did his supporters insist for years that he couldn't release it? We now know this was a bold faced lie. If he wanted to humiliate the birthers, all he had to do was release this document 3 years ago. It would have ended any hope for birtherism outside the whackjob community and those who profit on the controversy. That's the big flaw in your argument. To make birthers look bad, he had to release this document. Not doing so until now only stoked the fires of suspicion. Why did he do that? We all know why. Birthers were a convenient tool for him, particularly with his base who are willing to swallow anything that makes those opposing Obama's agenda as racists. To deny this is to deny the reality most Americans now accept as fact. You're a flat Earther trying to convince everyone that the world isn't round the day Francis Drake returned to Plymouth on the Golden Hind. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:50:01 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 12:45:07 2011. There was never any doubt Obama was eligible to be President. This is all about why Obama sat on a document for three years that would have removed any doubt amongst open minded Americans of any political persuasion. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 12:56:56 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:50:01 2011. Open minded Americans didn't doubt Obama's citizenship.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 13:07:35 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:30:40 2011. No soap. The birthers should have snapped out of it. It's not Obama's fault they are unreasonable. Kudos to him for not giving in to the tyranny of the minority.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 13:13:18 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 13:07:35 2011. Hey, I told those kids that playing with matches was dangerous; don't come after me cuz I didn't give them a fire extinguisher.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 13:14:39 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:48:27 2011. particularly with his base who are willing to swallow anything that makes those opposing Obama's agenda as racistsBINGO. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 13:15:41 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 12:56:56 2011. of course not, but having these nuts out there helps him. They make his detractors look like raving idiots, and better yet, the left can brand them all "racists". |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 13:19:40 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 13:15:41 2011. Oh well, thank you God :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 13:29:57 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 13:15:41 2011. The thing which brought this all to a head was Donald Trump. He was no raving, right wing racist (a la Orly Taitz or Joseph Farrah) and Trump's relentless attacks were starting to convince open minded people that maybe Obama was trying to hide something. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 13:34:18 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 11:08:21 2011. Yes, you are entitled to all of those opinions. But I am equally entitled to disagree with them in the strongest possible terms. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 13:36:02 2011, in response to Re: Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 10:14:00 2011. Actually, Orly taitz and Jerome Corsi were both bringing this up, even before Hillary ever mentioned it. Hillary also admitted she was wrong to bring up Obana's BC as a campaign issue very early on, IIRC. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 13:45:05 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 13:34:18 2011. and not opposed to try to make it seem as though my beliefs are based on racism, in the process. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 13:47:46 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 13:45:05 2011. Not so fast. If I think it's racist, I'll still say so. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 14:26:35 2011, in response to Re: Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 13:36:02 2011. Of course Hillary is going to say that after the fact and had to bring the democrats together once he was the candidate, but at the time, she needed to use the ammo she had. But that doesn't change that the Democrats were using it full force for a while, when it suited their needs. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 14:27:27 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 13:47:46 2011. Of course you will, but you want everything to involve race, and calling someone a "racist" is one of the easiest accusations to make. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:38:00 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 14:27:27 2011. What about the growing number of people who agree with me that Trump's constant questioning of Obama amounts to nothing more than 'thinly veiled' racism? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 14:39:07 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:38:00 2011. What about the 38% of Americans who are convinced that obama was not born in this country? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 14:42:58 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:38:00 2011. LOL!!! Joy Behar, Whoopie, & CO?? LMAO!! Yeah, the usual suspects of hard leftists, such as yourself, that scream racism at any opportunity they can.Too bad, the crying wolf all the time for every thing eventually makes the real incidents fade into the sunset too, as everything is racist to people like you. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:45:46 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 14:39:07 2011. Those 38% are seriously out of touch with the facts, as established--several times--by the legal documentation provided by President Obama, the White House, and the state of Hawaii. Those who believe Obama was not born in the US can labor under that delusion, but they are deluding themselves.Yes, perpetuating these myths about Obama's birth, or education, or eligibility to serve as President, (as Donald Trump continues to do) ARE thinly disguised racist tactics. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:47:02 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 14:42:58 2011. Bob Schieffer of CBS too? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 14:47:42 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:45:46 2011. LOL! Yes, just as the peopel that claim racism at any thing against Obama. They are "seriously out of touch" too. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:55:01 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 14:47:42 2011. No, these attempts to depict Obama as unqualified, ineligible, or otherwise illegitimate, based on unfounded myths about his birth or education, are examples of the "black tax" that high-achieving black males often face throughout their professional lives.It's not just the crew of The View that mentioned this. Some very noteworthy (white) people are saying Trump is a racist, as well. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 15:14:15 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 28 12:48:27 2011. Donald Trump cites a made-up CNN poll showing he was ahead of Obama. CNN's John King slams him on it, reminding Trump no such poll was ever done by the network. This, on top of Trump's incessant self-aggrandizing statements all through the interview... |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 28 15:15:52 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 14:39:07 2011. 72% of Americans are white so potentially 53% of white people feel that way assuming that no blacks, Asians, or Hispanics are convinced he was born elsewhere. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 28 15:16:58 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:38:00 2011. It's racsim and xeonophobia along with a fear of Islam. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 15:18:50 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:55:01 2011. No, these attempts to depict Obama as unqualified, ineligible, or otherwise illegitimate, based on unfounded myths about his birth or education, are examples of the "black tax" that high-achieving black males often face throughout their professional lives.Oh please, the same shit was said of Bush too, even if not the birth nonsense, as in Bush's case, that door wasn't even remotely open. The opposition of Bush was just as brutal in all the crap they went against him with too, just as all the presidents. Again, if Obama had an affair like Clinton did, and all the crap that was thrown at him like they did to Clinton, it would have been "racists trying to show that "the Black man" can't be faithful" and crap like that. Or if all the monkey photos of Bush acting like a monkey, were done to Obama, imagine the "racist accusations" then. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 15:20:59 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 28 14:55:01 2011. I'm doing none of the above since education is not a qualification for the Presidency. I'm only calling his job performance and competency into question. So far he gets failing marks on both. |
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Posted by johnl on Thu Apr 28 15:21:12 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 11:03:23 2011. No-one wanted to make Bush look stupid. Like it or lump it, he was President of the one United States that we live in. And, yes, Bush’s actions and cluelessness during his eight years as president definitely made me question how he could ever have graduated any university.On the other hand, Obama comes across as an academic. My problem with him is that President Obama shows none of the fire that we saw in Candidate Obama, and he hasn’t delivered anything like his promises. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 15:21:49 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 28 15:15:52 2011. You are making assumptions that have no basis in evidence. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 28 15:22:27 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by johnl on Thu Apr 28 15:21:12 2011. IOW TD was correct about the emporer having no clothes? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 15:23:41 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 28 15:15:52 2011. How do you come to a conclusion like that? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 28 15:23:50 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 15:21:49 2011. Are there minority birthers? I haven't heard of any. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 15:24:37 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 15:20:59 2011. Job performance and competency, and also total lack of experience. And he has proven how bad his lack of experience is in what he does. |
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