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Re: Another antisemitic LUNATIC with hateful ideas |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 11:44:16 2011, in response to Re: Another EU-bashing LUNATIC with hateful ideas, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Apr 23 11:19:21 2011. That's your own cage you're rattling, Kong . . . |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Apr 23 11:44:58 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:30:14 2011. For THIRD time, the correct answer is never, as bingbong and SelkirkTMO never had any children.Stop acting like Brian, you are 100% better than that web troll. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:49:10 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 22 15:00:24 2011. One person's hatred and bigotry is another man's deeply held religious beliefs. Parents have a right to teach their kids homosexuality is immoral.Parents have the right to tell their kids anything. And the State has the responsibility to educate them about the truth, and that includes the reality of sexual orientations. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:50:51 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 22 15:24:31 2011. It's not right to force a parent to allow their kids to be taught something they personally disagree with.Like evolution? How about solar system heliocentrism? I haven't read all this thread yet and I can tell I'm going to have fun with it. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:55:08 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 16:04:02 2011. subjected to ultra-conservative teachings in school.Because as Stephen Colbert said best, "reality has a well known liberal bias"... |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:00:01 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 22 16:38:16 2011. So if a parent disagrees with mathematics, their children should not be taught that?  
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:02:48 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 22 18:27:56 2011. I see nothing wrong with discussing sexual orientation in High School but elementary school and Middle School (which the proposed bill targets) is just too damn young. I don't even think they should discuss any sex, gay or straight, in elementary or middle school. This is not hateful ideas, it's common sense.Why? Sex and sexuality is something they will encounter and kids often begin to experiment with it (especially black and brown kids) in middle school. Why should they not be educated on this enormous facet of life? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:04:00 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 19:37:38 2011. They called my daughter and told her that my grand daughter was being interviewed by the school psychologist but she didn't need to be there. My daughter was enraged as was I.Rightfully so. But what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:05:22 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 22 20:50:52 2011. LOL! |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:07:09 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 21:12:10 2011. Teen pregnancy rates have gone down. Need we get into a discussion about the relationship between abstinence-only sex education vs comprehensive sex ed and teen pregnancy (of course, in hindsight, I suspect that much of that relationship is racial in origin)? |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 12:10:20 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 19:37:38 2011. I agree. I'd be livid if this situation happened to me. A lot of my friends who have school aged kids are complaining that the schools are calling them for every little thing. They say it's especially annoying when they are at work, think that there's an emergency, and it ends up being something stupid like this or talking in class. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:10:25 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 22 21:38:39 2011. Haha that's not much different that may case for new eugenics (of course that's not how I would implement it). |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:14:38 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 21:58:45 2011. The people who have children want to teach their children what they feel is appropriate based on their moral or ethical standards.Except that the purpose of education is to teach people the facts about reality. Denying the facts about homosexuality is tatamount to "teach[ing] your kids that the world is flat." |
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Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas) |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:07:14 2011, in response to Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Apr 22 23:37:40 2011. You guys really should leave the racial stuff to me, or at least anotherAnd then of course, you did just say black girls are little savages, which is rather racist, especially without someone like me putting it in the proper context. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:08:34 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 05:13:54 2011. And yet, by standing behind this proposal to ban any talk about any sexuality other than heterosexuality, you're actively advocating MORE political correctness.Exactly! |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:32:56 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:13:44 2011. I want is for teachers to stick to the curricula that is required, especially in the K through 6 grades.You do realize that times changes, and with it, so does the curriculum (a pesky little thing called progress)? For an educator to insinuate himself or herself into the discussion by supposing that he or she knows whats best for (MY) child is ludicrous. Yep, just as we've decided it's best that they know that a2+b2=c2 on the right triangle (and not the isosceles triangle Mr. Scarecrow). These discussions are more school appropriate in the later grades when childrens minds are not so vulnerable and they can make their own decisions. 'cause you never know the queers could leap out of the closet and from under desks, but better to tell them about the gays when they are older and better able to defend themselves... Substitute "blacks" for "gays" and see how this discussion resembles one that happened decades ago. I remembered learning black history in grade school myself. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:35:08 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:55:22 2011. It's not liberals, it's called real life.Oh yeah that liberal bias reality has. Sorry, nevermind. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:37:04 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by BMTLines on Sat Apr 23 09:15:56 2011. There is that. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:38:20 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:50:51 2011. No. Just social issues. Science, math, language etc are the subjects about which they are supposed to educate kids. |
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Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:40:52 2011, in response to Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas), posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:07:14 2011. You have an overly inflated opinion of yourself. He is a person of color and you are hardly the person that most people of color would chose to represent on racial issues. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:41:31 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Apr 23 11:37:52 2011. Then what the fuck qualifies her to tell anyone anything about raising children? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:41:58 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Apr 23 11:39:43 2011. Thanks dan, I think. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 13:42:13 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:55:22 2011. I don't want my values supplanted with values that I disagree with when it comes to my children. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand and accept? 
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:43:31 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:35:08 2011. No, it's liberals. You only want a certain viewpoint taught. If instead other viewpoints, such as an opposing view of homosexuality, were to be taught you'd be opposed. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:43:54 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Apr 23 11:44:58 2011. Hey fuck-face. I asked the question until it was answered. It still hasn't been by her. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:44:26 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:49:10 2011. That sadly is your opinion. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:44:33 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:35:01 2011. A kid can realize he's gay, or have attraction for the same sex even at that age. (Remember you're born that way?) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 13:44:50 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:43:54 2011. You are arguing with a flatliner. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:45:14 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:50:51 2011. Here we go. I knew the assholes would start twisting the debate to the academic subjects. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:45:55 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:55:08 2011. Stephen Colbert is your God? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:46:30 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:00:01 2011. You ae a fucking bigotted idiot |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:47:01 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:55:08 2011. Comedians are the great thinkers of our times so of course he must be believed. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:47:28 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:07:09 2011. Bullshit they have |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 13:47:34 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:43:31 2011. If instead other viewpoints, such as an opposing view of homosexuality, were to be taught you'd be opposed.Hate is a viewpoint that should never be given legitimacy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:48:47 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 12:14:38 2011. When did they teach you homosexuality in school? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:51:16 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:38:20 2011. Homosexuality, and sexuality in general, is as much of a fact of life as language, science and math (well less so math since math is the ultimate fact—but that's another discussion).Do you lump black history under those "social issues"? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:51:33 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:35:08 2011. When did they teach you homosexuality in school and in what school? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:52:07 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 22 16:38:16 2011. What about parents that object to their kids being taught that homosexuality is better than heterosexuality, should they be forced to send their kids to such a school? |
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Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:53:59 2011, in response to Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas), posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:07:14 2011. Being black gives you no special insight. Why would we want your spin on anything. You are a racist, self-important egotist. Those children in the first video are being abused. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:55:13 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 13:42:13 2011. When you learn how to have children, then you may qualify to give an opinion. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:56:10 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:44:33 2011. And at what age were you taught about homosexuality? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:56:11 2011, in response to Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas), posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:40:52 2011. He is a person of colorYou did catch where I said to disregard what I said in that case? and you are hardly the person that most people of color would chose to represent on racial issues. Probably true, since many seem to not like what I have to say (which are all true). But that's besides the point since the facts remain nonetheless. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:57:25 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 13:47:34 2011. Maybe schools should teach about polygamy because there's lots of hate for that lifestyle even though it's rooted in biology and people are born that way (being attracted to more than one partner). |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:58:39 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:43:31 2011. And what is the opposing view on homosexuality??? |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 13:58:59 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:57:25 2011. Enough with your argument that homosexuality and polygamy should be uttered as being two "like" entities. They aren't. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:00:36 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:52:07 2011. Who teaches that homosexuality is better than heterosexuality? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 14:00:49 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:46:30 2011. Either he, scrabbleship and smaz are pure caricatures or they're truly insane. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:02:18 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:47:28 2011. Whats the matter?You radio hasn't told you that teen pregnancy rates have been going down for the last 20 years and have been doing so every year except for during the Bush-era abstinence period and are the lowest since the '50's? Stick to trains. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:02:41 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:49:10 2011. No, not just my opinion, but the opinion of those who have decided that we should educate our children on the facts.Social facts are no less facts because they are of humans. This is a bigger problem that pervades many aspects of society; somehow facts about human nature are on a different sphere than other facts about the world. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:02:58 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:51:16 2011. Everything eventually is "science" but teaching homosexuality in schools is social indoctrination as admitted by many posts in this thread. The idea is that "we have to teach kids the right way to think before they learn the wrong way". There is no right or wrong way to think.And yes I would lump black history under "social issues" depending on the content. Obviously teaching about slavery, jim crow, civil rights, etc are a legitimate subject as they were very much a part of American history. Teaching that George Washington Carver was gay while interesting, is irrelevant since his being gay had nothing to do with his accomplishments. Teaching about Harvey Milk, while interesting, is only doing so because of his sexuality since he accomplished relatively little in his lifetime. |
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