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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:32:01 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:30:37 2011. Is pizza more common in the US than Italy? I heard that pizza here is different. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:33:24 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 17:52:52 2011. Hahahaha! Okay, you found me out, I posted that for effect and I am sure many had a visual. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:33:56 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:30:48 2011. I have to agree with SMAZ. I don't see how you can think that a fetus is life equivalent to a baby and then be pro-choice. Isn't that murder? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 20:38:58 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:33:56 2011. It's really quite simple - well maybe not so simple. I believe what I believe. Be that I think life begins at conception, or at fetal viability or even at birth. I can be pro-choice because I am not willing or attempting to impose my values on you or anyone else. I will do what the dictates of my conscience allows. Let everyone else do their thing (within the law). |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 26 20:40:22 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:26:19 2011. Yep. That's it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:40:41 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 26 19:59:53 2011. To change this benchmark is to go against the 1st Amendment, which is intended (read the Federalist papers) to permit freedom *from* religion as well.Don't you understand you are preaching to the choir every time you say this stuff? Is there one person here that has said otherwise? Just about everyone participating in this thread, and most others on abortion have even said they were pro-choice. That doesn't mean that we can't can't have different opinions on when "human life" starts. I am very much against the government getting involved in it, just as I am very much against government involvement in many other things such as the nanny laws, and all the rest of it. The legal designation does not mean that anyone has to change religious thought, if one is adhering to a religious view of the issue they probably won't seek an abortion to begin with. Who here has said anything different? I agree with you. Most of the people participating in this thread has said they are pro choice. But that doesn't mean we aren't allowed to say how we feel about when human life begins. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 26 20:41:35 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:28:30 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:42:08 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:40:41 2011. And for the record, I am not particularly religious either. I DESPISE fanatical religious nuts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:43:02 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:16:56 2011. Meanwhile, there's plenty of non-traditional "couples" who WANT to adopt and yet the "baby fascists" won't let them. :-\ |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:44:19 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:28:30 2011. Even more amazing in that if you look at the stats, more people on welfare are white. Gotta love batshit, it ain't just for October. :( |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:44:51 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:26:19 2011. Upward mobile people have kids later which in turn means less kids overall.Poor people that skip college and other upward mobility paths have kids earlier further hampering their financial betterment. people that skip college and other upward mobile paths are also more likely to be from poor less-educated families with many siblings. It's a vicious cycle. It can only be broken by education and contraception as has been done in advanced countries for decades. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:48:11 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:26:31 2011. Then perhaps, just maybe, we should be thwacking those who INSIST that it's the government's business. It ain't the libruls ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:48:16 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:33:56 2011. SMAZ was WRONG to attack me and accuse me of wanting to stalk abortion clinics, or to even suggest I was some sort of inhumane nut that would think that someone who was raped or had incest shouldn't be able to abort. I NEVER gave any indication anything close to that.That said, it's quite simple how I can be pro-choice, yet feel abortion is wrong. My OPINION is that a human life is formed when the fetus is there. But that is MY VIEW. I have NO right to impose that view on others, who obviously have an opposing view on that. Unlike rabid leftists such as SMAZ, I actually acknowledge that there can be more than one opinion on an issue, and that just because it's mine, doesn't mean it's necessarily the only view, nor necessarily the only right view. You see, unlike RABID leftists, such as SMAZ, I respect other people's views and am tolerant of other people's views. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:48:32 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:32:01 2011. I'd say the commonality is comparable.In Italy though, pizza is of high quality everywhere which is not the case in the US. To stay with the topic of the thread, a pizza is not a pizza until it comes out of the oven. Until then it's only a lump of dough. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:50:04 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:28:22 2011. Ephram Zimbalist would smack you for that ... :)Actually, FBI does that. Marshalls get called if they require assistance or after they've been apprehended for transport. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:51:21 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:26:19 2011. Perhaps, but you are the one that brought up race. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 20:51:34 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:48:11 2011. Do you also believe, then that government should not be paying for abortions? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:52:16 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:30:37 2011. I was WONDERING when that one was gonna come out to play. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:53:44 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 20:38:58 2011. I can be pro-choice because I am not willing or attempting to impose my values on you or anyone else. I will do what the dictates of my conscience allows. Let everyone else do their thing (within the law).That's moral relativism. Why stop at the fetus. Perhaps people should be able to commit infanticide. You may not agree with it or do it yourself but you say you don't want to impose your moral values on others. As a voter, the law is what you demand it to be. If something is a matter of life and death, you have an obligation to stop the carnage. Anything else is moral cowardice. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:55:50 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:28:30 2011. I am very vocal when it comes to people having too many kids they can't afford and then just holding their hands out expecting the government (and us) to take care of them. But that said, sterilization, borders on fascism or communism. Anyone who says something like that can't love living in a free society. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:56:32 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:30:48 2011. If you feel justified, that's fine by me. Don't transfer the other thing to me though. Wanna know where I'm at on this one? It's NONE of my business! And it's CERTAINLY none of the government's business. It's between a woman, her doctor and her faith, period. When MEN can get pregnant, then it might be our business too.Ever notice that it's MEN after all this stuff? Should women tell men where to put their dick in the first place? Shall we outlaw porn because it offends most women? I'll agree that it's extremely unfortunate that abortion is necessary at all, but I'm never going to have one. Therefore, I find the entire premise hypocritical. But that's just me I suppose. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 26 20:57:13 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:56:32 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:57:54 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:51:21 2011. Because I think that plans like the one that he mentioned are mostly about race. It would obviously disproportionately effect blacks. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:58:06 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:48:16 2011. But that is MY VIEW. I have NO right to impose that view on others, who obviously have an opposing view on that.Yes you DO in the case of mass murder. If you believe that a fetus is a human being and apathetically allow him/her to be killed, you are washing your hands in the face of GENOCIDE. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:59:10 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 19:27:22 2011. How is going for pizza in Illinois not state business for Wisconsin?Oh Pahleese! Yeah, that's what they are doing, "going for pizza" in Illinois and hiding out in a hotel there to eat it. Give me a break. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:59:27 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Feb 26 19:36:50 2011. Exactly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:00:32 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 19:46:46 2011. The governor of Arizona was NOT fleeing her state to do "business", she left her state on business.The Wisconsin cowards are hiding out in another state so the state troopers can't get them and bring them back to their JOB. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 21:00:44 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:43:02 2011. They think that orphans are better off with the Christian Brothers. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 21:02:15 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:52:16 2011. heh |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:02:25 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 19:21:18 2011. The current system with the unions is unsustainable. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 21:02:32 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 20:51:34 2011. If they're going to stick their nose in it, then yes ... they should pay. When they take their nose back OUT of it some day, then the guy who gets that phone call might need to do some odd jobs for it like it used to be. We can then return to Carlin's world on the issue ...(ring) "Hello" "Hello, Dave?" "Yeah, this is Dave. Who is this?" "This is Jane." "Jane? Jane who?" "Jane" "Jane Jane?" "Jane. You met me at a party about 6 to 8 weeks ago and you said I was a real good sport." "Oh, Christ yeah. How are you, Jane?" "Pregnant! And I'm gonna jump out the window!" "Say, you are a good sport, aren't ya, Jane?" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:07:14 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 20:09:59 2011. WOW, you hit the nail on that one. The same place that makes the good Szechuan Chicken, also makes the best Sesame Chicken I have ever had too. I am sure their Tso's is good too, but I don't order it much. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 21:07:14 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:00:32 2011. The fact that all of the democratic governors were in washington to meet with our non-partisan president has escaped many, here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:08:29 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 19:43:16 2011. Because Dim Sum with beef with broccoli and orange chicken sounds weird.???? I don't think I have ever seen that. They have that by you? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 21:08:30 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:59:10 2011. And Egyptians are paying for our very own regime change over here. :)C'mon man ... you've used flimsier shit than that in other arguments. Go with the flow, yo. Heh. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 21:08:43 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 20:53:44 2011. If you are pro-life then you should go out and fight the liberals over abortion. I've already taken my stand. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:09:51 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Feb 26 19:55:27 2011. I know at least 5 Chinese Restaurants that have it, but then again, I don't go to many others than those. Anytime I ever wanted it, the place I was at had it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 21:10:44 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:00:32 2011. But she didn't SAY "fleeing the state" on ABC News tonight (you can go to abc.go.com and see it yourself) ... she said "elected officials leaving the state." ... she LEFT her state. Her mere absence from Arizona flew against her own words! :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:11:34 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:09:51 2011. Come to think of it, even the crappy Chinese restaurant near where I work has Dim Sum. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 21:12:00 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:08:29 2011. We don't have dim sum near me, but if we did it would likely include taquitos and corn bread. ;) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 21:13:17 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 26 21:00:44 2011. I expect Bill Maher would have something to say about that. :) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 21:13:25 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:11:34 2011. It's not that common out here. Most Chinese restaurants don't have dim sum. Normally the more expensive and larger ones. Although "expensive" is relative as most Chinese restaurants are pretty cheap. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:15:42 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 26 19:31:08 2011. I smoked for 30 years and enjoyed it but quit and feel better. I still like a small amount of second hand smoke outdoors sometimes. To me it smells as enjoyable as apple pie baking.Hahaha, yes, isn't that crazy! When I get a wiff of someone smoking walking by, I actually get nostalgic. The last time I had a cigarette was about two years ago when I was driving up from Florida on I95 and we stopped somewhere in North Carolina to sleep for the night. Near the hotel was a Ruby Tuesday, and since we didn't want to go around looking for food, we stopped in there, and since it was packed, we wound up eating at the bar. Then I said, "What's that smell?"...and noticed everyone around us was smoking. Apparently it was still legal to smoke in the bar yet in NC at that time. I said, Oh, I have to have a cigarette, as I got all nostalgic.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 21:17:35 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:02:25 2011. Bullshit.There's a REASON for collective bargaining in government. Employees are grouped into "bargaining units." Some states have only one for all, many have multiple bargaining groups. Do you know what this DOES for a state? It allows ALL employees to have their salaries adjusted annually or over a period of multiple years. Unions arrange the health and other benefits for the employees RATHER THAN the state. But the BIG savings is that the governor's office sits down with representatives of those employees and hammers out (usually with legislative approval) the work conditions, titles and payments to large numbers of employees. It's extremely efficient and saves a tremendous amount of money because those unions handle the negotiations between their group and the issuers of the benefits and turn around and charge their members for administration of it all except for the pension system which is usually separate. Do you know how it USED to be? VERY LARGE HUMAN RESOURCES DIVISIONS who had to sit down with EACH employee. Now think of how much THAT will cost and get back to me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:19:10 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Feb 26 19:35:15 2011. It's too expensive now too. One of my friends still smokes, and I can't even imagine how much he spends on them a month. He smokes a pack+ a day, and they are $10.50 now on Long Island ($12.50 in the City). He spends almost $400 a month on cigarettes, that's INSANE. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 26 21:20:43 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 20:26:31 2011. The coathanger symbolizes the fact that people will seek out abortion legal or not, and it symbolizes how it used to be done prior to being legal. If you support legal abortion then I'm agreeing with you. In a perfect world no one would get one.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:20:58 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 21:13:25 2011. Interesting. I always have been able to get it when I want it. It's pretty common here.Actually, I also remember having it at Chinese Restaurants in Florida too. I didn't realize it was "rare". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:22:46 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 21:12:00 2011. We don't have dim sum near meI TOLD you your CHinese Restaurants suck... :) but if we did it would likely include taquitos and corn bread. ;) Yes, I know, you have it all over us in the case of Mexican Food. And I LOVE Mexican food too..... :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 21:24:08 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:07:14 2011. We've had a lot of "Chinese" restaurants come and go over the years around here. They all start out fairly good when they open up and within a few months, turned to the kind of shit you'd find on a Manhattan sidestreet for lunch only. These guys here in town have only gotten better with age and attract people from all over the area. They're THAT good, and they ain't hurtin' ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 21:24:52 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 26 21:10:44 2011. Don't insult intelligence. That's ridiculous. |
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