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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Easy on Sat Jan 29 11:58:51 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 29 11:45:01 2011.

Why? Fundamentalists certainly have been.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 29 12:04:24 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Easy on Sat Jan 29 11:58:51 2011.

No arent understanding the point Islam wast "just"introduced in the past 100 years the country. That element of Islam now yes.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 29 12:20:26 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 29 10:20:14 2011.

The Italian fascists were not as insane as the German Nazis, but both were bad.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 12:24:57 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 28 17:38:14 2011.

No comparison. Being on the side of the protesters is the same as being on the side of George III.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 12:25:39 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 29 11:47:42 2011.

This is all due to the radical Islamists.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 12:26:24 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 17:18:11 2011.

You shouldn't agree with their goals either. They're the same kind of people that want to stone you to death.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 12:27:50 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 12:26:24 2011.

Olog, you are on the money here. Just this once.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Easy on Sat Jan 29 12:30:01 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 29 12:04:24 2011.

But it was a problem in the past too. So were many maybe most religions. Christianity and Islam seem like two of the worst. Christianity may be worse though.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 12:40:20 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Easy on Sat Jan 29 12:30:01 2011.

Christianity may be worse though

You mean Catholicism?



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Re: Egypt Revolts, Iran Very Happy

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 13:17:00 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Iran Very Happy, posted by clearaspect on Sat Jan 29 10:08:25 2011.

this revolt isn't based on Islamists or extremism

How much did you pay for that bridge you mentioned . . . ?

the ayotollah is in Iran

Gone are the days when the generals actually led the troops. Beyond that, what's the relevance of geographical location?

they used Twitter and facebook to organize... both are banned in Iran

Not to the Revolutionary Guard or top leadership they aren't. And their foreign operatives have free rein to use those services besides.

The fact that you're using what the ayotollah has said proves you're grabbing at straws

Meanwhile, you have zero proof whatsoever of your side of the argument.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 13:31:39 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 12:24:57 2011.

You seem to be confusing the issues of whether they are entitled to demonstrate and why they are demonstrating.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 13:33:36 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 29 09:02:26 2011.

IAWTP

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 13:38:42 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 13:31:39 2011.

No, I sure am not. Would you say that the BNP were equally entitled to copy these "protesters'" behavior on London's streets?

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 14:31:02 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 29 07:52:09 2011.

*Groan!* :-D

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jan 29 14:33:16 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 07:50:55 2011.

bad idea !

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 29 14:37:19 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jan 29 14:31:02 2011.

It was painful to type it. Well not so much. :D

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 29 15:25:34 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 17:17:14 2011.

Sorry, but the USA needs to be propping up Mubarak---or pressure the next leader to immediately make peace with Israel on Israel's terms...or be (along with the heads of Lebanon, Syria, and whoever succeeds Mubarak) targeted for termination...with extreme prejudice, and the USA ready to install strongmen who will rule with an iron fist. They're not ready for a republican form of government.

If the revolutionaries win, the world loses.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 16:22:01 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 29 15:25:34 2011.

i agree.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jan 29 16:28:35 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 29 15:25:34 2011.

the Egyptian people dont want Mubarak any more so you are gonna force him on them again ? dont you see revolution when you see it ?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Iran Very Happy

Posted by clearaspect on Sat Jan 29 16:51:39 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Iran Very Happy, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 13:17:00 2011.

Want me to bring up dozens of page that prove you wrong? I can bring up articles, new story clips...

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Re: EU!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 29 17:17:04 2011, in response to Re: EU!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 29 09:58:35 2011.

Blame Canada! :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 18:59:58 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 29 11:02:28 2011.

During the time when hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost each month and companies were operating at half strenght, it was not only the laid-off and the companies that were obviously cutting back but also those still working because many didn't know if they would be joining their collegues on the unemployment line and were thus socking away their money instead of spending it.
They cut back not only on gas and energy but on everything.
Now that the worst is over, those people are spending again.
Ironically, even those that have been foreclosed upon are spending again because instead of cutting back in order to save their house, they are now renting something they can afford and have extra money. This has a ripple effect on industry (other than housing) and makes the economy improve and the price of oil go up.
Add that many large world economies really only took a breather or had just a mild recession rather than flirt with Depression during 2008-early '09 and you can see that oil is priced where it should be. Add roaring stock markets to that.
That more than offsets any slight cutback by some due to oil rising prices.
Prices haven't risen in places with strong currencies like Japan, etc.
They've risen in US$ due in part to QE2 in order to spur a little bit of inflation and thus avoid a catastrophic deflationary spiral.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:15:04 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by clearaspect on Sat Jan 29 07:17:45 2011.

You continue to be naive and see things through Western rose-colored glasses.
Yay democracy!!!
WHAT democracy? You actually think that if Mubarak falls, the MB is going to stand by and watch somebody like El-Baradei take over?
The Brotherhood has been waiting to pounce for years. They have an advanced and capillary network of support and financing throughout Egyptian society and abroad that they have meticulously developed for decades and are the only ones with any credibility.
Democratic forces don't stand a chance.
You think this is Hungary in 1989 or Ukraine a few years ago?
Your ill-conceived Western sensibility and wishful thinking continues to ignore the timeless truth that political power comes out of the barrel of a gun.
Always has. Always will.


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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 19:17:10 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:15:04 2011.

We need to give Mubarak the STEEL FIST he needs to crush those lice.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:21:08 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 08:45:26 2011.

We must have a foreign policy that in our national interests.

Hate to break it to you but we have NEVER fought for freedom and democracy but only for our national interests.
If through democracy, Islamists win as they have in many ME places that have held free elections, our national interests and our very security suffer.
We didn't fight in Korea, Vietnam, Central America, Kuwait, Iraq or Afghanistan for "freedom".
If you actually believe such a crock of shit, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:25:04 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 09:06:14 2011.

We have ElBaradei

WE?
We can't even guarantee the hold on power of a long-time strong man like Mubarak and you think we can usher in an ElBaradei into office.

"We" don't have shit.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:32:13 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 29 08:55:29 2011.

Saddam was our buddy until he invaded the dictatorial Kuwait and threatened the despotic regime of Saudi Arabia.
We then chose sides. The wrong side.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:41:21 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 19:17:10 2011.

100% agreed. I hope he hangs in there and deals with them harshly. They must not be given an inch.
Once everything calms down, then he needs to bring some reforms. But from a position of strenght, not one of weakness.
Weakness doesn't bring dialogue. It only emboldens evildoers. Especially in the Middle East.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 19:48:08 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:41:21 2011.

Thats such a black and white statement

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 19:49:46 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 19:21:08 2011.

We failed in Vietnam, we failed so far in Iraq... and in Afghanistan the only real success story is Japan and HALF of Korea. Our foreign policy has brought terrorism to our front door, we need to ask if our foreign policy is working.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 19:53:22 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 19:17:10 2011.

So let me get this right... if the ruler is an Islamic extremist and they shoot at demonstrators they're evil and must be stopped but if the ruler is an ally its okay for them to shoot at demonstrators.

Just want to make sure you understand what weight your statement holds

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 19:59:59 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 19:53:22 2011.

Islamists have to be smashed, regardless of who's in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 20:00:51 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 19:59:59 2011.

So you're justifying the killing of innocent lives if it furthers our interests...

Thats what spreads extremism...

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 20:02:14 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 20:00:51 2011.

Hit with chemicals!!!

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 20:08:37 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 20:02:14 2011.

So when we get struck by the next terrorist attack and we go "why do they hate us so much" just think back to this

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 20:09:59 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 29 10:18:41 2011.

Correct.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 20:39:07 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 19:49:46 2011.

we need to ask if our foreign policy is working.

Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes it works for the short term but damages us in the long.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 20:47:41 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 19:53:22 2011.

So let me get this right... if the ruler is an Islamic extremist and they shoot at demonstrators they're evil and must be stopped but if the ruler is an ally its okay for them to shoot at demonstrators.

In scenario #2, if the ruler is a non-Islamic despot, he prevents an Islamic extremist from taking over in the first place so that you don't have to have a scenario #1.
It's an awkward position for the US but better to have dead Egyptian Islamists and their useful idiots now than dead American civilans in the future and for our national interests to be furthered for a little while longer.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 20:53:31 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 20:47:41 2011.

No he doesn't! Thats the flaw... in this case extremists point to Egypt and Saudia Arabia and say "look here are oppressive governments sponsored and helped by the US"

Also Islamists have NOT played any role in the protests spreading through Egypt. This is a Youth uprising NOT an Islamist uprising.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 21:05:40 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 20:53:31 2011.

in this case extremists point to Egypt and Saudia Arabia and say "look here are oppressive governments sponsored and helped by the US"

So the solution to that is to hand over the keys of government to those very extremists? Will that make them like us?


Also Islamists have NOT played any role in the protests spreading through Egypt. This is a Youth uprising NOT an Islamist uprising.

If the government falls it will not be The Youth who will take over.
It will be the Muslim Brotherhood.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 21:12:02 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 21:05:40 2011.

"If the government falls it will not be The Youth who will take over.
It will be the Muslim Brotherhood. "

That statement is based on nothing but assumption...

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 21:55:35 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 21:12:02 2011.

Your rejection is based on nothing but assumption.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 22:00:09 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 21:12:02 2011.

Yeah, I'm sure that this guy will be Egypt's next Foreign Minister:



Below we see the nominee for Minister of Agriculture



How about Cairo's next Chief of Police or the country's new Environmental Protection director:








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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 22:05:07 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 21:55:35 2011.

You can assume that when a majority Muslim population overthrows its government, islamists will assume control.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 22:12:14 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 29 22:05:07 2011.

Based on... what happened in 1979? In an age before the Internet? Before global communication was commonplace?

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 22:17:47 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 22:00:09 2011.

The stupidity in your post is almost laughable but I pity you.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 22:32:15 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 21:55:35 2011.

Wrong! Copy and paste these links...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/29/egypt-mubarak-tunisia-palestine

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12312330

Let me take a quote from the BBC article above...

"We want a real democratic system. This regime of Hosni Mubarak has been in power for 30 years," declared Ahmed, a man in his 20s."

My rejection isn't... now once again you don't know what you're talking about in fact you're backwards your thinking was good 60 years ago in the age where everyone was afraid of communism, your thoughts and logic are outdated.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 23:09:08 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 22:32:15 2011.

You're really hypnotized by left-wing propaganda, aintcha? Both your links are left.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 23:14:02 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 23:09:08 2011.

This coming from the guy who quotes the Ayotollah to make a point... that was not only wrong, but proven to be otherwise...

your "left-wing propaganda" argument is dead on arrival

Try again Olog... you lost this round



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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 23:22:27 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 29 23:09:08 2011.

Here another link for you...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/01/29/arab-rebellions-israel/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/29/egyptian-unrest-builds-obama-left-bad-options/

""I don't buy the notion that everybody in Egypt is for the Muslim Brotherhood," Abrams said. "

""We have backed the wrong horse for 50 years," said former CIA officer Michael Scheuer. "To think that the Egyptian people are going to forget that we backed dictators for 50 years, I think is a pipe dream."

"On the other side is the big unknown. Though many protesters are not taking to the streets armed with religious slogans"

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