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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 30 00:13:09 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 22:12:14 2011.

So what. What good is the internet going to do them?

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 00:20:29 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 30 00:13:09 2011.

The internet lets them know about the world around them, makes having an oppressive government difficult, in countries like Iran where the state controls the media the internet is seen as an enemy. Where people can freely think criticize and most importantly organize opposition. Thats what the internet does...

One protestors poster said it best

The New Way of Revolution =

Facebook and Twitter

No longer are AK47s are the tool of the revolution.

You've been educated.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 30 00:24:07 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 00:20:29 2011.

You are a naive SOB. Islamists will smash those milquetoasts. Only external force will stop them. The only use for the internet is to beg for outside FORCE.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by clearaspect on Sun Jan 30 00:48:17 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 30 00:24:07 2011.


And you're stupid to see the world in black and white, its people like you who has allowed dictators to rule and anger to foster to the US and for us spending billions of dollars to prevent terrorists from attacking our nation.

Also... ISLAMISTS DIDN'T START THE EGYPTIAN REVOLUTION...

You, olog and smaz keep ignoring that and you're basing your fears on a possibility not fact. You think Islamists might take over egypt...but its based on fear and paranoia. Act only on facts not on fear.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Hamas Helps Muslim Brotherhood

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 01:17:40 2011, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

And Iran's been helping Hamas for ages.

Stratfor Red Alert

Red Alert: Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood

January 29, 2011 | 1655 GMT

The following is a report from a STRATFOR source in Hamas. Hamas, which formed in Gaza as an outgrowth of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB), has an interest in exaggerating its role and coordination with the MB in this crisis. The following information has not been confirmed. Nonetheless, there is a great deal of concern building in Israel and the United States in particular over the role of the MB in the demonstrations and whether a political opening will be made for the Islamist organization in Egypt.

The Egyptian police are no longer patrolling the Rafah border crossing into Gaza. Hamas armed men are entering into Egypt and are closely collaborating with the MB. The MB has fully engaged itself in the demonstrations, and they are unsatisfied with the dismissal of the Cabinet. They are insisting on a new Cabinet that does not include members of the ruling National Democratic Party.

Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace. The MB is meanwhile forming people’s committees to protect public property and also to coordinate demonstrators’ activities, including supplying them with food, beverages and first aid.


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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 30 02:12:57 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 00:20:29 2011.

The New Way of Revolution =

Facebook and Twitter

No longer are AK47s are the tool of the revolution.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yeah here's the battle between tweets and batons. Guess who won?



Yeah, ClearAspect, go post on Facebook, tweet someone, let 'em know about the new reality. Buy that guy's song on iTunes while you're at it. That should change the world.
Yep, that'll do it.

Make sure to let me know when The Revolution comes so I can get in my gypsy cab, go to the corner of 125th and Lenox and give Jesus Christ a ride out of town.



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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 30 02:15:31 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 29 22:17:47 2011.

Hey, you are the one that said that the Youth will lead the new government rather than the Brotherhood,
There go your youths. There go your future leaders.
The Muslim Brotherhood actually sounds good in comparison.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jan 30 05:04:25 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 29 10:26:54 2011.

Our electrical grid wouldn't be able to handle the load. Plus, we'd basically have to go back to coal as our main power source, and that may not go over too big with people.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 30 05:45:45 2011, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

And there are mini-revolts going on in Jordan, Yemen, et al. Everyplace but where we really need them to be happening - Iran and Syria.

So much for peace treaties and diplomacy.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 08:21:51 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by clearaspect on Sun Jan 30 00:48:17 2011.

It doesn't matter who started the revolution. The Islamists will steal it. Olog is a twisted SOB who happens to be right on the money this time.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 08:42:17 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 30 02:15:31 2011.

So has just talking ever led to a revolution? Did he US just talk to the British and go hey we want independence? I don't think so... If you want I can bring up pics of soldiers and demonstrators hugging or pics of place beating unarmed or shooting unarmed citizens. Youre pulling strings to make a rather weak point. Try again

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 08:47:41 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 30 02:12:57 2011.

What started the revolution? A man who said no more... what spread the message? What tools allowed the youth to gather en masse?

What do the youth want?

Economic opportunity
Equality
Freedom of expression

You want a leader who will deny that just so you can get oil to heat your home... No that's imperialism at it's fundamental core. It's time to support those who believe in the same rights and freedoms that we in the US Have. If you don't support them then you're not a true American who deserves the rights and freedoms we have.

Yeah...

Thought so...

No go hail Jesus Christ

And learn more bout bout the world than what you're fed

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 30 08:48:06 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jan 30 05:04:25 2011.

I'm talking long term, not in the next 2 years.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:15:52 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 08:47:41 2011.

Who gives a fuck who started it. the MB will finish it.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:16:57 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 08:47:41 2011.

It's time to support those who believe in the same rights and freedoms that we in the US Have

That's not the protesters.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:17:41 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:16:57 2011.

Once again you've shown no proof while I have... quit while you're ahead...

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 30 09:17:49 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jan 30 05:04:25 2011.

The US has huge reserves of natural gas, which burns far cleaner than coal. All new plants being built are gas-burning rather than coal-burning.



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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:18:39 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:15:52 2011.

You have no proof other than your weak assumption and fears. Fears and assumptions mean nothing here. It can go anyway but its important for the country to CHOSE its direction. Like the US did over 200 years ago.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:22:13 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 30 09:17:49 2011.

But most of the old ones, which provide the bulk, are coal.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:23:14 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:18:39 2011.

Any times there is a vacuum created in these Muslim Countries, the Muslim fanatics take over.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:23:45 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:18:39 2011.

The choice should be:
Live with Mubarak
or
Die with the Islamists.
Your Idealism is childish.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:23:50 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:17:41 2011.

And you have some proof to the contrary?

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:24:19 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:23:14 2011.

correct.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 30 09:24:38 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:22:13 2011.

Yes, but the discussion is about the need for MORE plants. Those would be gas, not coal.



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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:24:44 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 29 22:00:09 2011.

You got me convinced.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:25:11 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:23:14 2011.

Other than Iran in 79 and wartorn Afghanistan in 1980s what else do you have for proof?

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:25:15 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 30 09:24:38 2011.

NUCLEAR

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:26:03 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:23:45 2011.

The Youth have said no to both, your belief is everything that Americans aren't supposed to be. You should be ashamed to call yourself American.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:26:49 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:25:11 2011.

Look, Obama will let this slide like he did with the Bush criminals. In 6 months, I'll say I told you so.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:28:26 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:26:03 2011.

Fuck the youth. they need to go home and cooperate with the Authorities and end this or the MB will KILL THEM and take over.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 30 09:34:48 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:15:52 2011.

Israel shares your concerns

“If a hostile regime takes over in Egypt, the IDF will need to restructure itself and would be pushed to the limit in its ability to deploy adequate resources on the various fronts,” one defense official said.

Israeli concerns regarding Egypt relate to several issues but focus on the long-term strategic effect Mubarak’s downfall would have on the country and the Muslim Brotherhood’s potential to take over the country. The Brotherhood has said that one of the first things it would do would be to rip up the peace treaty.


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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:36:32 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:23:50 2011.

Only seen rambling out of him thus far. I've got at least two articles as proof of reality, one from Ha'aretz and one from Stratfor.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:36:41 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:28:26 2011.

You do realize the last terrorist attack the MB was claimed to have been involved in which an assassination attempt was made was in 1954...

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:37:58 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:36:32 2011.

Using the Ayotollah again Olog? You played that card once already and lost.

Stop trying already and quit...

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:38:04 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 30 09:34:48 2011.

Hamas is already pouring out of Gaza to help the MB.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:39:32 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:38:04 2011.

How? The border is CLOSED!

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:39:42 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 30 05:45:45 2011.

The MB, Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran all believe in the Caliphate.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:46:02 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:36:41 2011.

RETARD, The ISLAMISTS by whatever nameWILL hijack this.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:46:35 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:39:32 2011.

stupid

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:47:18 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:46:02 2011.

PROOF!? Let's go, step up, show me an Article which proves that the MB are gearing and getting ready to lead the charge?

You can't...

Thanks for playing... now be quiet and watch the Revolution... whatever happens... happens the US are spectators.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:49:08 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:26:03 2011.

"The youth" . . . still hanging onto that lie?

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:55:10 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 09:49:08 2011.

Like the lies about Hamas flooding a closed border? Or the one where the Ayotollah takes credit for a revolution?

Olog you keep losing, quit already... you're just looking more and more foolish.

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:56:38 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 30 09:39:32 2011.

You should quit too while you're ahead, you're just a paranoid person.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 30 09:58:21 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 09:22:13 2011.

Yes, my idea is long term, not some emergency rush job. We obviously can't implement the plan next week.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 30 10:09:46 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, posted by rockparkman on Sun Jan 30 09:46:02 2011.

You are correct.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 30 11:06:35 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jan 29 07:03:00 2011.

I support nonviolent, peaceful protest as the preferred means to effect political change. Mohandas Gandhi employed nonviolent protest against the greatest empire in history, and it worked.

Britain and other European countries were in the process of decolonization anyway. If Britain wanted to hold on to India, it could have done so, and an emaciated man on a hunger strike would not have stopped them.

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 30 11:24:00 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 30 11:06:35 2011.

The troops Britain would have needed to hold on to India would probably eventually have bankrupted it, in the manner of the Soviet Union. But they certainly gave up long before they really had to.



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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 30 11:39:36 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 30 11:06:35 2011.

If Britain wanted to hold on to India, it could have done so, and an emaciated man on a hunger strike would not have stopped them.

The level of ignorance suggested by this statement is truly astonishing. Your dismissal of the world-historical Gandhi as nothing more than an "emaciated man on a hunger strike" is trite and condescending. Gandhi's use of peaceful, non-violent protest and civil disobediance changed the course of human affairs in the world, and led to the birth of a free India. His methods of resisting oppression have been successfully practiced the world over. Gandhi taught the world that it is possible to change things without resorting to physical force.

Great Britain could not have "held on to" India in the face of such determined, popular resistance. She did try, using greater and greater level;s of violence, but in the end, the work of this brilliant man (Gandhi was actually an attorney by trade) brought millions of his countrymen to his cause, and he prevailed.



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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 30 11:54:02 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 30 11:39:36 2011.



your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Hamas Helps Muslim Brotherhood

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jan 30 12:18:44 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Hamas Helps Muslim Brotherhood, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 30 01:17:40 2011.

Where's Cindy Sheehan to stand in solidarity again?

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