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Posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 12:34:16 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 3 23:19:41 2011. Americans know that ObamaCare will ultimately lead to rationing of health care and 2nd rate care like in the UK where patients are sent off to filthy INDIAN hospitals for certain procedures.The Medicare death panels are only the start. Private physicians would slowly become a thing of the past. You will go to a crowded government clinic instead and tough sh*t if you don't like it. The whole ultimate plan of ObamaCare is to equalize medical care for all Americans - downward. Like all socialism it won't work unless everybody is forced to participate. Not only that but the Obama (and Bloomberg) regime wants to control what you eat because if the government is paying for med care then 'criminals' who eat salty foods are a drain on evrybody else. Will there be 'food crime' courts too? I guess the Italians, Jews and Mexicans will be put on trial first for 'unhealthy' foods. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 12:35:14 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:34:21 2011. If the GOP has their way, something like this could happen to YOUI'd rather risk that then risk all the other myriad of other problems this new law brings me, including making my family's current health insurance plan unaffordable, assuming I am allowed to keep it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 12:39:09 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 4 00:32:29 2011. A majority of Americans don't have a friggin clue what's in the stupid bill other than what the richer than sin talking heads tell them.You don't win people over by insulting them. Many know full well what's in it, in as far as anyone can know what's buried in this bureaucratic nightmare. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 12:47:16 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 11:19:17 2011. ok. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 12:49:51 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 12:34:16 2011. Excellent post. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 12:55:24 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 12:34:16 2011. 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 12:56:51 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 11:19:17 2011. 62? By that time it may not be possible to afford to keep anyone over 60 alive.
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jan 4 13:24:53 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 12:34:16 2011. And did the rest of the first world (and some of the second) know of the same when they put it through? No, they were enlightened, knew the risks and realised that crappy healthcare for all is better than no healthcare for many.America needs a Tommy Douglas. It's a shame his grandchild decided to run south to act. |
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Posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 14:15:43 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jan 4 13:24:53 2011. ==...and realised that crappy healthcare for all is better than no healthcare for many.==You said it, not me. BUT that is what ObamaCare is all about. That is something positive to strive for? I hope not. Another example of Obama's and the democrat's essentially negative, cycnical view of the USA. It's alos about the political control of healthcare. So you want a new 'People's Clinic' in you district, well then your rep better vote the way the Obama Gang want them too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 14:26:32 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jan 4 13:24:53 2011. No, they were enlightened, knew the risks and realised that crappy healthcare for all is better than no healthcare for many.Everyone gets healthcare in America. It's insurance that not everyone has. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jan 4 14:38:52 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 14:26:32 2011. And this differs from all other civilized nations how? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 15:18:35 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 08:43:37 2011. "Watered down?" I'd say neutered to the point of uselessness. And they want to make it WORSE?!?! :( |
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Posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 15:21:47 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jan 4 14:38:52 2011. But what does it matter what other countries do? Those that are democracies make their decisions for their own people. Nothing to do with us. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 15:30:00 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 12:56:51 2011. Don't laugh ... that appears to be the plan. Republican congressfish are already saying that the cutoff for medicare and SS are those currently under 55 ... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 17:07:13 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 4 07:36:52 2011. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 17:19:11 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 12:34:16 2011. Yep, that's exactly what happens in Switzerland. I guess the Italians, Jews and Mexicans will be put on trial first for 'unhealthy' foods. Italians and Jews have unhealthy foods? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 17:24:53 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 15:21:47 2011. Those that are democracies make their decisions for their own people. Nothing to do with us.US House of Representatives the yeses are 219, the nays are 212. US Senate the yeses are 60, the nays are 40. The President signs the bill The law is adopted. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 17:33:30 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 12:39:09 2011. Yes like healthcare in general can be summed up in to less than 10 pages, even that is too much for most Americans. Yet alone an overhaul |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 17:54:00 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 07:47:57 2011. Yes, but as Fred said -"It sounds like it was passed in 1920 Alabama, " |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 17:55:25 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 4 05:26:27 2011. You make a good point. Polls show a quarter of those who oppose the law do so because IT IS NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 17:57:44 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 07:47:11 2011. The law is the essence of moderation. It preserves the private insurance system, and creates millions of new customers for the insurance companies, while regulating them more fully. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 17:59:30 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 17:33:30 2011. Of course.Any bill overhauling 18% of the economy can't help by be complicated. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 18:01:45 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 08:05:46 2011. That's funny, why? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 18:02:50 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 17:33:30 2011. Of course.Any bill overhauling 18% of the economy can't help by be complicated. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 18:28:38 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 17:19:11 2011. I am not as familiar with Jewish food, but Italian and Mexican food is not exactly the poster child of "health", or non fatty.From what I have seen of some Jewish cooking too, it's also not exactly the poster child of health. Doesn't mean any three of them aren't absolutely delicious, but "healthy", they may have some problem proving that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 19:06:36 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 18:28:38 2011. If the Food Police were ever activated, the first foods to be banned would be mostly quintessential American stuff, especially of the Southern variety.Italian, Greek and Middle Eastern stuff would be among the last to die. Jewish food of the Yiddish/Central-Eastern European variety would hang on for a while too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 19:56:59 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 19:06:36 2011. Just because greasy Southern stuff is "more" unhealthy, doesn't mean Italian food is "healthy". And who said anything about Greek or Middle Eastern food? Both of those are "healthier" than Italian food. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 20:07:14 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 19:56:59 2011. Yeah, all that ricotta/mozzarell/sausage stuff can be quite fatty.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 20:14:48 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 20:07:14 2011. Exactly. And I don't know where he threw Middle Eastern and Greek food in with it, as those two are in fact healthier. Middle Eastern lacks a lot of the meats other nationalities have so popular, and it also uses rice instead of pasta, and doesn't have all that cheese and sausage.Greek food is more like Middle Eastern, but perhaps a little step down in healthiness, but not nearly as bad as Italian. And I love Italian food, this is not a knock on it at all, but to pretend all that pasta, sausage, ricotta mozzarella and heavy tomato sauce, etc is healthy is a lie. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:26:17 2011, in response to One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:10:35 2011. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/135895-boehner-fires-back-at-dem-senators-with-vow-to-push-forward-with-repealSenators Reid, Durbin, Schumer, Murray and Stabenow: Thank you for reminding us – and the American people – of the backroom deal that you struck behind closed doors with ‘Big Pharma,’ resulting in bigger profits for the drug companies, and higher prescription drug costs for 33 million seniors enrolled in Medicare Part D, at a cost to the taxpayers of $42.6 billion. The House is going to pass legislation to repeal that now. You’re welcome. - Speaker-Designate John Boehner’s Press Office This is basically a big "go fuck yourself, Senate Democrats" from the new speaker. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 20:27:48 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 20:07:14 2011. Funny thing though ... in places where these are the "native dishes" folks live long and aren't shaped like basketballs ... hmmmm ... wonder why? :) |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 20:29:47 2011, in response to Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:26:17 2011. A symbolic gesture indeed... it wont get past the house |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:33:15 2011, in response to Re: Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 20:29:47 2011. He knows. He's daring the Senate to block it. Good politics. America wants it repealed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 20:43:30 2011, in response to Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:26:17 2011. Cool! Now let's see what happens when he takes that money back from the drug companies. You WILL post when that happens, right? :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 20:47:36 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 20:27:48 2011. Portion control |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 20:50:01 2011, in response to Re: Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:33:15 2011. No. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 20:55:52 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 20:47:36 2011. I believe a little vino and a little waddling also have an effect. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 4 20:59:07 2011, in response to Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:26:17 2011. Isn't Medicare D a payoff to big pharma from the republicans to begin with?Is Boner going to use to money to close the donut hole? After all, it will be back full force should he actually manage to repeal HCR. Is that what the average American wants? What about the rest of the HCR provisions already in effect? What about those on the new insurance for pre-existing conditions? Kids under 16? What about the provisions that stop insurers from being death panels through recissions and denial of claims? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 21:06:27 2011, in response to Re: Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:33:15 2011. No we don't. Just you douchebags who profit from our misery when we become ill.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 21:09:47 2011, in response to Re: Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:33:15 2011. Yep ... the Ferengi were Marxists ...
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 4 21:17:33 2011, in response to Re: Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 4 20:33:15 2011. You offer no proff for that statement. In fact, more Americans are in favor of HCR than are opposed. You are distorting the numbers by including those who want to see HCR do much more, including a public option, open Medicare or single payer.http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/12/29/majority-either-like-healthcare-law-or-want-it-more-liberal.html 56% of Americans LIKE HCR. Many want it togo further. It's good to see the republicans are plowing ahead under their delusions, and that this episode of idiocy will be over with in 2 years time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 21:21:21 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 20:27:48 2011. Italians are not necessarily all that small. They know how to eat just like Americans. Other nations in Europe you may have a point. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 21:25:37 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 20:27:48 2011. Exercise, maybe smaller portions, too.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 4 21:28:50 2011, in response to Re: Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 20:29:47 2011. I hope that sanity is applied and it doesn't get *through* the House. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 21:34:55 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 21:21:21 2011. Dunno where you get your image of the typical Italian, but they don't require wide load stickers ... |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 23:48:19 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 4 12:34:16 2011. They said the same thing about Medicare in the 60's and it hasn't happened.So you'll excuse me when I call bullshit on your post. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 5 02:02:27 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 19:56:59 2011. And who said anything about Greek or Middle Eastern food? Both of those are "healthier" than Italian food.Agreed but it's still healthier than Northern, Central and Eastern European foods let alone what we eat in North America. That's not a knock on German, American or Mexican food. I love most German and most American stuff (the unhealthier the better) but that doesn't change the fact that it's poison even if eaten in slightly above average amounts. One has to engage in unrestrained gluttony to reach the same amounts of unhealthiness with most Italian foods. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 5 02:07:03 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 20:55:52 2011. There is a greater mentality of moderation.In Italy on weekdays, breakfasts are small, lunches tend to be modest and only with dinner does one truly feast. In America we sicken ourselves to an early death on all three meals. I rarely eat breakfast to this day even though American breakfasts are unparalled in tastiness and bliss. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 5 03:11:51 2011, in response to Re: Boehner's Balls: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 4 21:28:50 2011. So what if it does.That's where it ends. Like cap 'n trade two years ago. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 5 07:00:35 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 5 02:02:27 2011. If you compare apples with apples, Italian cuisine is as bad/good for you as any cuisine you've mentioned. Fatty meats are fatty meats; including dairy products like cheese in any recipe raises the fat content significantly. Don't get me started on desserts! Conversely, healthier dishes like simple seafood plates, salads, etc. exist in all the cuisines you've mentioned. When you really explore western cuisine, you'll find they're all about same in terms of health. Asian cuisine, in terms of fat content, could be viewed as healthier overall, and is probably a more apt comparison. But don't try to tell me that a slice of Genoa is healthier than a slice of Cervalat.your pal, Fred |
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