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Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010

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A Mosque was inside Tower 2 on the 17th floor


What????? Nobody wants Islam and a victory Mosque but a Mosque was inside WTC. Even the workers atop the Windows of the World had a special place for Salat.


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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Sep 11 10:45:47 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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Hating hate sounds like a double negative to me. But that would explain this photo
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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Sep 11 10:46:25 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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PS, nice timing on the day an hour of the post

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 11:43:53 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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They don't care who they kill, or what they destroy. Just look at the bombings within Muslim countries. They don't care if they kill their own, they are on a mission of Jihad, and they have no value to human life.

And what about all the the mosques that are opening peacefully all over the country? No one talks about them:

The church across the street even opened their doers to their sanctuary to let the muslims pray in there while they are building their mosque across the street:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/national/memphis-church-extends-neighborly-welcome-to-mosque-090910


And what about this mosque in Philly?

http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?s=13130528&clienttype=printable

Amd the list goes on...

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 11 11:47:15 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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Before 9/11 is a completely different story. There was a Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbor before 12/7/41. Not after.

Keep beating this horse. It only pisses us off even more.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 11 11:48:19 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 11:43:53 2010.

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I would suggest pro-Mosque supporters shut their traps until tomorrow.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 11 11:54:01 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 11 11:48:19 2010.

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I would suggest pro-Mosque supporters shut their traps until tomorrow.

If they dont what ya gonna do Internet tough guy?..

Nothing...


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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 11 11:54:26 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 11 11:48:19 2010.

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Uh, why? It's private property and not your business what goes on in that spot---provided the money is on the up-and-up.

As I have said before, anyone who declares it a war memorial should be sued into bankruptcy for exceeding Constitutional authority under the Takings Clause.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 11:55:16 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 11 11:54:26 2010.

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Who is declaring it a war memorial? NOW what are you babbling about?

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 11 12:02:22 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 11:55:16 2010.

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The families have asked that it be done. Carl Paladino has called for it too via eminent domain use - and it's currently a toss-up going into Tuesday's primary. (Lazio's support is downstate, and Paladino's support is upstate.)

Paladino had been down 12 two weeks ago, and is now down only 1 with 15 percent undecided. In other words, the possibility of this coming to happen is not exactly outlandish anymore, even though Cuomo - who supports the mosque and would not stop it - leads both Paladino and Lazio by a mile.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 11 12:07:48 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 11:43:53 2010.

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So much for the claim that they would oppose a synagogue next door...especially in NYC.

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Re: Masjid on 17th floor of 2 WTC

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 11 13:38:44 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 11 12:07:48 2010.

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Who made that claim, in NYC? AFAICS, such claims are specific to Islamic states.

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Re: Masjid on 17th floor of 2 WTC

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 11 13:41:10 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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The more you post this stuff, the more radical you look, I hope you realize? Save it for those that have complete hostility to Islam and Muslims.

The question remains open as to why the Caliphate in Persia had no qualms destroying it.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by monorail on Sat Sep 11 15:23:43 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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you've improved my thoughts about you by posting this!

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 11 15:26:08 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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So a mosque was there and that didn't stop the attacks? There goes the argument that the Victory Monument on Park Place will help keep the area safe from Islamic "Extremists".

You're a Muslim, and one of my favorite people here. It's the radicals we are complaining about. Not you.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 11 16:42:09 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 11 12:02:22 2010.

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Heh. Wait until people open Paladino's latest mailing. Heh. Smells like him! ;)

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Sep 11 16:47:32 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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Just because we are opposed to a mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero does not mean we are against all mosques and hate Islam. Although I would like to know why the Turks are trying to destroy the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate?

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Sep 11 19:04:15 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 11:43:53 2010.

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I saw this story on the 'philadelphia' mosk yesterday too. I don't understand why such a small facility opening is big news.

When I saw the idiot compare trimming down a minuet for a mosk in sarasota to the 9/11 mosk issue, I didn't realize it was going to be a pattern in reporting.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 11 19:26:17 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 11:43:53 2010.

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"They don't care who they kill, or what they destroy. "

Who is "they"?

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Sep 11 20:21:23 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 11 16:42:09 2010.

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Heh. Wait until people open Paladino's latest mailing. Heh. Smells like him! ;)

Paladino's an upstater, right ?

Bill Newkirk



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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 11 20:51:51 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Sep 11 20:21:23 2010.

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From Beefalo ... think of Paladino as Buffalo's Leona Helmsley and you've got the picture. His fortune came from ripping off the state taxpayer for slum office space for the state. Gotta love it!

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 11 21:17:52 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 11 22:53:24 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 11 21:17:52 2010.

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Yes, and I am in no mood to talk about this now after watching all the footage on the History Channel of what happened that day, and what those sons of bitches did. it's reprehensible what happened that day, and reliving just makes me angry all over again. What people went through that day.

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Re: #465

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 05:15:51 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 05:18:40 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 11 11:47:15 2010.

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There are dozens of Shinto and Buddhist shrines all over Pearl Harbor.
Perhaps you should go there one day.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Sep 12 05:40:13 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 11 20:51:51 2010.

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From Beefalo ... think of Paladino as Buffalo's Leona Helmsley and you've got the picture.

Ah yes, Buffalo, rusted buckle of the salt belt.

I was in Buffalo last year on vacation with a group.

Saw a lot of, not so old city buses with rust and even rot around the wheel wells. You don't see that here.

No exactly a salt free zone ! : )

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 07:16:14 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 05:18:40 2010.

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We weren't attacked by Buddhists or Shintos acting in the name of their God and religion on Dec 7, 1941. We were attacked by the Japanese, who "happened" to be those religions. Not the same as being attacked by MUSLIM fundamentalists, in the name of Islam, and BECAUSE they were Muslims.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 12 08:00:48 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Sep 11 10:45:47 2010.

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Satan's got a pretty big shnozz going there....

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 08:54:38 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 07:16:14 2010.

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And I am sure that they were not built within a decade of the attack. Why won't the proponents of the mosque simply give people time to heal? Ten or twenty years from now, the atmosphere will be better and they can build their mosque. Now is not the right time and the place is not the right place.

The mosque supporters say that it is going to be a community center aimed at bringing people together. Seems to me that the OPPOSITE is true.

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Re: Dear Insensitive People....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 09:41:38 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Sep 11 10:45:47 2010.

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THIS is hate:

















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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 12 09:45:01 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 12 08:00:48 2010.

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never noticed satan's got an araby nose. amusing

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 09:45:03 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 08:54:38 2010.

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The mosque supporters say that it is going to be a community center aimed at bringing people together. Seems to me that the OPPOSITE is true.

They have managed to make relations worse than they ever were. Relations weren't even this bad right after 911.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 09:52:28 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 11 19:26:17 2010.

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You know exactly who "they" are. "They" are those that caused, supported, and plan future attacks like this:

THIS is hate:






































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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 12 12:01:59 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 12 09:45:01 2010.

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More like a nose like Bert from Sesame Street...

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 13:54:45 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 07:16:14 2010.

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The Muslims who attacked us were the Muslim version of that Florida preacher or the nuts in Kansas that protest at soldiers' funerals.
If a Muslim in another country who doesn't know the nuances between different Christian denominations (and doesn't care to learn them) were to point to those people as representative of Christianity and label YOU as a nut and evil-doer because of them, would you take it well?

That's what YOU are doing with all Muslims, whether they are Sufis or Wahhabis.
That's like calling Quakers and the Kansas guy the same thing since they are both Christians.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Sep 12 14:50:16 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 13:54:45 2010.

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I thought the terrorists who took out the WTC were Wahhabis, which are the Islamic sect which teaches that all who don't believe as they do must be eleiminated.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 15:34:47 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Sep 12 14:50:16 2010.

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I thought the terrorists who took out the WTC were Wahhabis, which are the Islamic sect which teaches that all who don't believe as they do must be eleiminated.



You are correct Dan Lawrence.
The Park51 people OTOH are Sufis.
Bosnian, Bulgarian and Albanian Muslims and many Turks for example are from a Sufi-inspired brand of Islam that is very tolerant.
The Wahhabists are strong in garbage cultures like Saudi Arabia, Yemen and the Gulf States. Al-Qaedists are Wahhabi. They are also very influential on the Taliban.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 15:39:40 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 13:54:45 2010.

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The Florida preacher called off the burning. He showed tolerance. Now, if there's another attack successful or not, against the US, all bets are off. Ball is in their court now. Let's see if they really are the religion of peace.


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Re: Dear Insensitive People....

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 15:43:20 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 09:41:38 2010.

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False. Those are rescuers, valiantly doing their job despite all hell breaking loose around them. That's the way *I* see most of those ...

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 15:44:15 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 13:54:45 2010.

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The Muslims who attacked us were the Muslim version of that Florida preacher or the nuts in Kansas that protest at soldiers' funerals.

So a Christian radical burns paper and the Muslim version kills thousands of people? Sounds about right. The average Muslim appears to be much more fundamentalist than the average Christian leading to far greater numbers of fanatics.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 15:52:28 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 15:39:40 2010.

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I wish he had gone ahead with the burning.
I'm serious.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 15:54:27 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 15:44:15 2010.

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Also there are a LOT MORE radical Muslims than there are radical Christians

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 15:54:59 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Sep 12 05:40:13 2010.

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It's an AMAZING place in January. :)

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 15:56:04 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 15:52:28 2010.

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That's because you hate white Christians, and want to see Muslims in the role of victim.

You are an enlightened Italian from Queens-so much smarter than any white Christian from Florida.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 15:57:13 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 15:52:28 2010.

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True. It would shown Americans how many radical Muslims there really are. Christians around the world wouldn't go berserk if Bibles were burned, but Muslims are still killing each other in riots and he didn't even go through with it.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 15:57:52 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 15:44:15 2010.

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The only reason that preacher doesn't kill Muslims and Jews is because he knows he can't get away with it. He would have to kill himself in the process like the 9/11 terrorists but he's too cowardly to do so.

The average Muslim appears to be much more fundamentalist than the average Christian leading to far greater numbers of fanatics.

The average worldwide Muslim lives in shit countries with shit education systems and shit cultures.
The ones that live in places with better education systems and quality of life (Turkey, Bulgaria, former Yugoslavia, Indonesia, former Soviet republics) are no different than your average Christian (except in the poor parts of those same countries).



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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 16:01:20 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 13:54:45 2010.

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That's what YOU are doing with all Muslims, whether they are Sufis or Wahhabis.

And what sect do Hamas and Hezbollah belong to who are responsible for the deaths of countless of Israeli civilians? What sect did the terrorists who blew up the PanAm flight belong to? How about the murderers of the Israeli Olympic team in Munich?

The culture of terror is pervasive in Islam, unlike the isolated Christian sects you mention. How many members does the Kansas church have? How many people either belong to OR support Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Quaeda, et al? There really is no comparison. When we see radical Christian denominations preach to their congregations to strap on suicide bomb belts then I might consider your argument valid.


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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 16:05:27 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 15:57:13 2010.

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There are many reasons I wished he had gone ahead with it.
The reasons you stated is one of them. We would see both the enemy abroad and the racist anti-Semitic enemy within.
It would also take away the potency of future idiotic media whores to pull this stunt since it would get old fast and less shocking.
Instead now Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist has announced he's gonna do it and of course the media lemmings will give him the publicity he craves.

Shit...these people ruined a similiar idea that I've had for a long time.

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 16:06:54 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 13:54:45 2010.

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What religion is Obama?

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Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters....

Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 16:08:33 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 15:57:52 2010.

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The ones that live in places with better education systems and quality of life (Turkey, Bulgaria, former Yugoslavia, Indonesia, former Soviet republics) are no different than your average Christian (except in the poor parts of those same countries).

That is not really true. You should talk to more Muslims and get their view. And I don't even mean religious ones. Talk to Muslims your age that can't get through the entire Ramadan while fasting or that will drink alcohol on occasion. Ask them if they supported the fatwa against Rushdie. Their answers might surprise you.

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