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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 02:22:13 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 22:17:51 2010. It appears that they officially do though the article makes it seem that they do not press the issue too much. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 13 02:35:29 2010, in response to Re: Correct Table Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 21:20:57 2010. Yes they are. They have to be. They are competing with all the bodega superchurches like Pare de Sufrir. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 02:37:13 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 21:42:04 2010. Yeah, the excessive hollering makes me uncomfortable actually. While it doesn't have to be a snoozefest, too much "spirit" also disturbs me.I used to like Hippie Mass when i was kid. That struck the right balance. I used to drag my Mom to take me to St Rita's when I was small child (instead of our St Patrick's parish) because they had the long-haired girl with the acoustic guitar and the weirdos with the drums. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 02:54:09 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 22:16:36 2010. It's big in Astoria. There are 5-6 Orthodox churches there. Orthodox churches smell even better than Catholic ones and they are beautiful. St Irene's is my favorite Astoria/LIC church from an aestethic standpoint. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 02:58:47 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by ntrainride on Sun Sep 12 23:25:29 2010. I don't get what you are trying to say.He said that Mass is boring (which it is) yet he stays Catholic anyway. That demonstrates to me that he stays with the Church because he believes in it and not for the "excitement" like some superficial people do. He should be commended, not criticized. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 03:07:24 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 23:38:19 2010. What? They'd never seen a white guy before? ;-> |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 03:21:33 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 23:21:22 2010. Even Catholic priests go to the UCC for excitment! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 03:23:35 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 22:29:07 2010. They usually throw in some extra music at X-Mas too, and sometimes they'll have a guest speaker or something. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 03:35:20 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 03:23:35 2010. X-Mas?He knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you're on the can. He'll hunt you down and blast your ass from here to Pakistan. Oh, You better not breathe, you better not move. You better off dead, I'm telling you dude, 'cause Santa Claus is gunning you down. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 13 05:22:19 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 13 00:30:36 2010. THERE ya go... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 13 05:26:10 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:39:13 2010. lol!perhaps to satisfy his right-leaning sentiments? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 13 05:46:03 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 15:56:04 2010. SO...that makes him a little better than YOU..A complete hater of EVERYTHING,including yourself,madam bitchassness. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 07:41:05 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 02:37:13 2010. Hahaha, that was big stuff back in the 70's. I guess it was a way to try and "modernize", and we also had a hippie mass at 10. I was also some strange guy on drums, and some long straight haired girl with guitar. It was always the 10 mass. In the bulletins, it would say "guitar mass", and it was usually the 10:00 mass at my old church |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 07:43:33 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 13 02:54:09 2010. While many Catholic churches are beautiful aesthetically, Greek Orthodox are even more over the top beautiful. The one I was in for a wedding once was completely over the top, it would probably be cost prohibitive to build something like that now. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 09:09:46 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 09:41:38 2010. THIS IS HATE AS WELL....and it's MADE IN AMERICA....too:       |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 09:44:02 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 09:09:46 2010. Absolutely correct, but that's another topic, they have nothing to do with 911. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 13 09:57:44 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 18:41:12 2010. Residents in Sheepshead Bay don't want a Mosque on Voorhies Ave between East 28th and East 29th Street. I am not arguing with you and agree that 9/11 itself was an orchrestrated act of hate, just like Pearl Harbor but two things need to be considered.1. If it is understandable for you (and believe me, I do understand) that having a Mosque at Park 51 is wrong, then why are bigots and haters in Brooklyn bitching about a Mosque being built 10 miles away from Ground Zero. 2. With the large turnout (and a circus turnout) this past Saturday, how many of those people will honor the 2,500 dead from a well-planned 9/11 like attack many years ago . . .on 12/7/41? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 13 09:59:00 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 11 15:26:08 2010. I try to keep things real. Thanks. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Sep 13 10:14:04 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 13 09:57:44 2010. 1. If it is understandable for you (and believe me, I do understand) that having a Mosque at Park 51 is wrong, then why are bigots and haters in Brooklyn bitching about a Mosque being built 10 miles away from Ground Zero.While I object to the Ground Zero Mosque, I would have no objections to building one anywhere in Brooklyn. I will agree with you that there are some who hate Islam anywhere, but not everyone who objects to the mosque does so for that reason. 2. With the large turnout (and a circus turnout) this past Saturday, how many of those people will honor the 2,500 dead from a well-planned 9/11 like attack many years ago . . .on 12/7/41? The key word is TIME. Over the years Pearl Harbor has been forgiven and forgotten and our relationship with Japan now is very different from what it was back then. I am sure that if this were the year 2061 no-one would be objecting to that mosque either |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 13 10:19:25 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by BMTLines on Mon Sep 13 10:14:04 2010. However, there is a candidate who may throw gasoline on the flames by intending to use eminent domain to stop the mosque from being built. That's Carl Paladino's stance, and he's in a dead heat with Rick Lazio for the Republican nomination (but trails Andrew Cuomo by a mile). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:28:37 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 13 09:57:44 2010. . If it is understandable for you (and believe me, I do understand) that having a Mosque at Park 51 is wrong, then why are bigots and haters in Brooklyn bitching about a Mosque being built 10 miles away from Ground Zero.And there wasn't really that problem before this controversy. Unfortunately, by the total lack of understanding of the insensitivety of the Park Place mosque builders to even acknowledge the fact that this "could" bother people, and that obviously it does, and to at least understand that, it's become a "we are doing this whether you like it or not", and it instigated hate. If they were really trying to build a "bridge" as they claim, they have a strange way of showing it as instead they built a wall with barbed wire on top, and a moat around it. 2. With the large turnout (and a circus turnout) this past Saturday, how many of those people will honor the 2,500 dead from a well-planned 9/11 like attack many years ago . . .on 12/7/41? I don't understand the question. I don't see how anyone could call the amount of people still in distress about 911, and think that it would be a "circus" turnout. The people I know that lost people said that the pain got WORSE as the years go by, not better, especially as the small children of those kids get older. But yes, 30 years from now? A lot less will attend, as those directly effected will begin dying off, the same as 12/7/41. The people born afterwards, won't feel the same horror as those that lived through it, either there or on TV. But it will always be an important day there to reflect. And time does heal, even this. But the problem is, unlike Japan, we haven't moved on yet. First, it's too close, and second, we haven't overcome the war yet. We are still at war with these fanatics. This wound is still bleeding. Pearly Harbor is long healed, and only scarred. So I really don't understand the question. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:34:53 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 09:44:02 2010. "Absolutely correct, but that's another topic, they have nothing to do with 911."Hate is H A T E.....NO matter what flavor it is! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:37:57 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:34:53 2010. Of course. But people aren't protesting a KKK meeting hall on Park Place. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:40:21 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:37:57 2010. And the analogy is not relevant. What you are saying is that since the KKK is a group of hate it has relevance to the Muslim Fanatics of 911 as that is also a group of hate.That's like going to the trial of Son of Sam and saying that his murders don't mean anything because the Masons also murdered people. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:41:59 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:37:57 2010. NO....but the people that are protesting left their hoods at home! This is a HOUSE OF WORSHIP....a HOUSE OF GOD...not a HOUSE OF TERRORIST...did you forget that? eh? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 10:45:55 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:40:21 2010. When did the Masons murder people? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:47:03 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:41:59 2010. Yes, and the 911 terrorists screamed "Allahu Akbar" as they flew their planes into buildings at full speed, and were praying to Allah as they were doing their terrible acts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:48:44 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 10:45:55 2010. Fine, put in some other name...the point stands. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 10:50:12 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:41:59 2010. A HOUSE OF WORSHIP and HOUSE OF GOD can be a HOUSE OF TERRORIST. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 10:50:56 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:47:03 2010. Yes, and the Koran burning pastor would have done so in the name of Christ. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:52:23 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:40:21 2010. "That's like going to the trial of Son of Sam and saying that his murders don't mean anything because the Masons also murdered people. "Using the example above is flawed as the example is concerning murder and the murder of people. The analogy that I gave is in regard to HATE...as in HATE. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:54:54 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 10:50:12 2010. And is in many circumstances. 911 was planned inside of Mosques. They did what they did in the name of their God. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:57:21 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:52:23 2010. Hate is hate. But the hate in the KKK has nothing to do with 911. Just as the Son of Sam murders are irrelevant to other murders.We aren't talking about the KKK building a meeting hall on Park Place. And even if they were, they had nothing to do with the 911 attacks as the dust cloud swirled down the street in front of the Burlington Coat factory smorthering anyone walking along that street at 10:30 on 9/11/01 |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:58:02 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:47:03 2010. "Yes, and the 911 terrorists screamed "Allahu Akbar" as they flew their planes into buildings at full speed, and were praying to Allah as they were doing their terrible acts."They same can be said about the Japanese fighter pilots during WWII known as Kamikazes. They did they same thing..... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 11:02:30 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:54:54 2010. A lot of lynchings were planned in churches. Those were HATE CHURCHES but that doesn't make all churches hate churches. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:03:14 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:58:02 2010. They were fighting for an emperor and in national pride, not their God.And again, the Japanese are unrelated to 911. They didn't cause the terror attacks on 911 either. You keep seeming to getting mixed up "who" caused 911, and "who" have nothing to do with it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 11:04:28 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:03:14 2010. They were fighting for an emperor and in national pride, not their God.How is that different? Their emperor and their nation actually existed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:04:56 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 11:02:30 2010. And if a hate church caused the 911 attacks, they shouldn't be building in the dust cloud of 911 either. But said lynchings were done in a time long past. The 911 attacks were done 9 years ago, and people are still grieving. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:06:05 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:54:54 2010. So what you are saying now is ....guilt by association now....every Muslim is now guilty because of what was created years ago in some mosque. With that same logic....we should then close down ALL Roman Catholic churches since they perpetuated the sins of child molestation and did nothing to stop it. Where is the guilt there? eh? they scarred many lives and destoyed the trust of the priesthood. All of this happened in the house of God. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:06:37 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 11:04:28 2010. Of course. But the Japanese weren't doing their dive bombings in the name of their God. If you want to build a Japanese heritage museum in Hawaii near the USS Arizona, I am sure that wouldn't go over to well either. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:08:16 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 10:57:21 2010. "We aren't talking about the KKK building a meeting hall on Park Place. "Why are you trying to equate a house of hate, ie KKK hall, with the house of worship? ie. a mosque. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 11:10:06 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 10:50:56 2010. Touche.. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:10:25 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:04:56 2010. "And if a hate church caused the 911 attacks, they shouldn't be building in the dust cloud of 911 either."So are you saying this mosque is a church of hate? wow...how are you so sure? give some details........ |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:12:12 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:06:05 2010. So what you are saying now is ....guilt by association now....every Muslim is now guilty because of what was created years ago in some mosque.No, YOU said that, I said no such thing. I said that this mosque is a sensitivity issue for those people that are still very much grieving. We as a nation are still grieving. The refusal of this group though to understand that this is a sensitivity issue and at least acknowledge that has made the wounds larger. With that same logic....we should then close down ALL Roman Catholic churches since they perpetuated the sins of child molestation and did nothing to stop it. Where is the guilt there? eh? they scarred many lives and destoyed the trust of the priesthood. All of this happened in the house of God. No, because the priests that did that horror, were NOT doing said acts in the name of their God, for their God, or expecting gifts from their God in the afterlife for such acts. The acts had absolutely nothing to do with religion in the least. They were men that did horrible acts but just "happened" to be priests, they didn't do it BECAUSE they were priests in the name of their God and for a "better afterlife". The Muslim Terrorists were in fact doing their deeds in the name of their God, for their God, and expecting rewards from their God in the afterlife because of said acts. They did it BECAUSE they were following their sick version of their religion, and BECAUSE they were Muslims. They weren't men that committed terrible acts and just "happened" to be Muslims, they did it BECAUSE they were fanatical Muslims. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:12:54 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:03:14 2010. "They were fighting for an emperor and in national pride, not their God."I see you don't know much. From Wiki: "In 1944–45, the Japanese were heavily influenced by Shinto beliefs. Among other things, Emperor worship was stressed after Shinto was established as a state religion during the Meiji Restoration. As time went on, Shinto was used increasingly in the promotion of nationalist sentiment. In 1890, the Imperial Rescript on Education was passed, under which students were required to ritually recite its oath to offer themselves "courageously to the State" as well as protect the Imperial family. The ultimate offering was to give up one’s life. It was an honor to die for Japan and the Emperor. Axell and Kase pointed out: "The fact is that innumerable soldiers, sailors and pilots were determined to die, to become eirei, that is ‘guardian spirits’ of the country. [...] Many Japanese felt that to be enshrined at Yasukuni was a special honour because the Emperor twice a year visited the shrine to pay homage. Yasukuni is the only shrine, deifying common men, which the Emperor would visit to pay his respects".[26] Young Japanese people were indoctrinated from an earliest age with these ideals." |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 11:13:08 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:10:25 2010. Oh come on we all know Islam is the religion of the devil. Even a man "of the cloth" said it. So it must be true. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:14:43 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:06:37 2010. "But the Japanese weren't doing their dive bombings in the name of their God."Oh...yes they were.....better read up on it.....more like country and God together. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Sep 13 11:17:22 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:12:54 2010. And if the Japanese had tried to build a shrine across from Pearl Harbor in 1955 people whould have protested against it just like they are protesting against the Mosque. By 2010 Pearl has been forgotten.Why is it so hard for the supporters of this mosque to understand how the families feel and give people time to heal? Give it time and people will forget but NOW is not the right time to build a mosque at that location. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:18:51 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:08:16 2010. I didn't bring up the KKK, a totally unrelated topic, YOU DID. The KKK has absolutely nothing to do with 911, the destruction of the WTC, downing of 4 planes, nor the killing of 3000 people on 911.Your "analogy's" groups have nothing to do with each other. They are about as relevant to eachother as Jeffery Dahmer and David Berkowitz would be. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 11:19:09 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:12:12 2010. "they did it BECAUSE they were fanatical Muslims."oh....now we can focus on the "fanatical Muslims" label. So because the "fanatical Muslims" did such a terrible deed, no mosque should be built anywhere near Ground Zero. More like you want to punish all Muslims because of a few "fanatical Muslims"...... |
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