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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Feb 6 23:11:02 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Feb 6 13:08:27 2010.

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Kreskin here thinks he knows how all people of al creeds and races thinks. His mind has everything & everyone arranged into neat little
boxes

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:13:30 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Feb 6 23:11:02 2010.

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You're accusing him of thinking that he knows what others think.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:15:17 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 21:33:27 2010.

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"Diverse" is a term that's overused.

Yes, I complained that the 2nd Ave subway extension may not benefit everyone on the upper east side.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:19:32 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 6 09:36:34 2010.

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"warning" you of what?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:20:28 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:19:32 2010.

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To watch his back.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:26:02 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:15:17 2010.

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Well whatever term you want to use, I'm surprised that you moved there. You could have moved to Brandon!

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:27:45 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:20:28 2010.

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Watch for what? Are you serious?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:29:56 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:26:02 2010.

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Brandon is very "diverse". You gotta see it.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:30:29 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:27:45 2010.

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I dunno. Skinheads?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:32:10 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:29:56 2010.

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I've been there, but it was 8 or 10 years ago. They still have the Brandon Ale House? I liked those Ale House restaurants.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:34:08 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:30:29 2010.

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LOL. Yeah. I'm sure they are very active in the Bronx.

There's nothing to be afraid of in that part of the Bronx.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 23:36:14 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:32:10 2010.

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They still have it. I pass the place sometimes.

I just drove into downtown Tampa to see if there was a big crowd for El Trono de Mexico. The promoter is from Jackson Heights and brought the band down here. There was not much of a crowd.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 02:00:33 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 21:24:49 2010.

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But one usually goes with the other, and quality-of-life will almost always deteriorate when certain demos reach a critical mass.

Agreed. I wouldn't want to live in a white trash neighborhood and neither does 'trainsarefun'.



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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 02:01:34 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 20:46:14 2010.

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Does Queens have any good schools left?

Queens has excellent schools.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 02:11:23 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 02:00:33 2010.

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Astoria/LIC had a pretty big white trash community until just a few years ago. Still living in that neighborhood?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 02:12:52 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:20:45 2010.

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How many white people who are looking for a home on Long Island are going to go to Brentwood and Freeport before Massapequa or Dix Hills? Sorry.

I'm white and I'd take a house in Cambria Heights, Rosedale or Laurelton over a dump like Mastic-Shirley anytime and so would any sane white person.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 02:14:05 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 02:11:23 2010.

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Astoria/LIC had a pretty big white trash community until just a few years ago.

nahhh...I heard they all moved to Florida. ;->


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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 02:16:28 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 02:12:52 2010.

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I'll bet you have not been to Suffolk County in years.

Let us know when you move to southeast Queens.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 02:19:09 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 02:14:05 2010.

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still living in LIC/Astoria? there are a few watering holes that cater to the white trash element on Ditmars Blvd.

For the most part, the Italians and Jews from NY love to move to Ft. Myers, St. Petersburg, and Boca. Florida is a mix of roughnecks, rednecks, and affluent northerners.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 03:05:39 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 02:19:09 2010.

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still living in LIC/Astoria?

always. When are you moving back?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 03:09:22 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 7 03:05:39 2010.

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Soon. I hope to be back soon.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 03:26:21 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 23:13:30 2010.

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In a way yes.

White peaople think this way, blacks vote this way, etc.

Jimmymc25

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 04:00:43 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 03:26:21 2010.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 04:05:01 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 04:00:43 2010.

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I didn't think Luch was that paranoid!!!!

Jimmymc25

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 04:07:24 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 04:05:01 2010.

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Nah ... the tinfoil is only to protect him from that 25kW Harris/Gates box connected to the table. :)

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 04:15:30 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 04:05:01 2010.

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Why are you attacking me here? I have said nothing about you.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:12:37 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 18:30:58 2010.

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You are fooling yourself. While that is generally true, race plays a big part.

Strong words. As I said to LuchAAA, you're just reading certain demographic correlations as causing bad neighborhoods.

I don't care what race my neighbors are, white, polka dot, hispanic, Aleutian, I just care that I have a quality living environment. No parties at 3am, no muggings are a way of life, no 55 people living in the 1BR/1BA unit next door, no burglaries being routine, no trek to transit and quality food, no lack of amenities, etc.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:19:48 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 20:28:34 2010.

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I brought up Corona Queens, and he wants to live in Flushing. Both neighborhoods are close together, with the only major difference being the demographics.

If you really think that, that's because you see everything through the lens of race.

Question: how many buildings in Corona have a swimming pool, doorman, and panoramic vistas?

Question 2: how many supermarkets are there in Corona equal to the quality and bargains offered by the Chinese megamarts in Flushing?

3: Does the restaurant scene in Corona compare to that of Flushing?

4: Is noise/crime level the same?

5: How about accessibility to transit? Since Flushing is a hub, it's easy to get around - from Corona, there's backtracking or circuitous routes. E.g., I want to get to Mineola, I just take any number of buses to Jamaica, many making only limited stops, and get on LIRR.

So there is someone fooling someone, but it's not me at either end of it.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:21:31 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 6 21:14:49 2010.

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Why don't you realize that he doesn't care who plays the loud music and drives the souped up cars, only that he doesn't want to be near that. If you want to pay attention to race, it's only a proxy.

Exactly. I could care less who's doing it. I just don't want to live next to it.


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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:22:37 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:12:37 2010.

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Yes, perhaps too strong. I would have edited, but you know...

I'm not saying that you care what race, religion, etc your neighbors are, but I do remember that you were cool with profiling individuals (regardless of race). Given that how could you not know that - in general but not always - neighborhoods with more black residents have more crime? And I don't think that is an uncommon thought process. People do consider race. At least Americans that have experience with different races would.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:24:18 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 21:24:49 2010.

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But one usually goes with the other, and quality-of-life will almost always deteriorate when certain demos reach a critical mass.

But looking to demographics will only get you, even per your own statement, the usually correct result. Trust me, when you're spending several hundred thousand dollars, you focus in on the most reliable indicators of quality of life, which are the indicators themselves, not the demographics you suppose they're usually correlated with.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:31:04 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:22:37 2010.

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I'm not saying that you care what race, religion, etc your neighbors are, but I do remember that you were cool with profiling individuals (regardless of race).

I stated that it's situational.

If it's a mostly black neighborhood and a white guy in a nice car is parking after hours with the engine idling, I think that the police should talk to him. That's a better use of police resources than just pulling over every 3rd car.

Given that how could you not know that - in general but not always - neighborhoods with more black residents have more crime?

Spending a lot of money on real estate, you don't go with usually - you go with the best indicator that you can get. Several people I know made huge increases in net worth by moving to Harlem and they weren't black or hispanic.





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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:31:08 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:21:31 2010.

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I miss my quiet, multicultural, predominantly white neighborhood in Long Beach, CA. But I guess that my current neighborhood isn't really so much as louder as it's more dense so there are many more people within 200 yards of me. I've gotten used to the summer quinceanera's and cookouts every weekend. The music generally stops by 9 or 10pm. But what I haven't gotten used to is the inconsiderate people that honk car horns at 6am, or the ones that block my car in with theirs, and the omnipresent threat of crime that is lifestyle changing.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:33:09 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:31:04 2010.

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That's different. I think that most guys would and do look at real estate as an investment, but when you have a wife and a family there are other factors to consider.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:33:46 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 02:16:28 2010.

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Are you, LI crime blotter reporter, saying that he's wrong, then?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:35:35 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:33:09 2010.

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I'm not married, so schools haven't entered into the equation.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:47:10 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 11:35:35 2010.

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It should even if you never plan to marry or have kids. How well the kids do in school tells you a lot about the parents.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Feb 7 12:00:11 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:47:10 2010.

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True.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 7 12:44:19 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:51:50 2010.

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It's a lamely written tale.

I should start sueing people. From what i gather from these vague tales, I should be sueing someone at least daily.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 7 14:39:57 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:47:10 2010.

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That's the thing. It seems that good schools are usually due to good parents, so if you're going to be the same kind of parent to the kids, the school doesn't matter.

OTOH nobody wants to send their kids to a school with a gang problem. So I'd probably choose a school district based on its juvenile crime rate rather than the school's academic performance.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 17:43:03 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 11:31:08 2010.

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I miss my quiet, multicultural, predominantly white neighborhood in Long Beach, CA.

It's funny how everyone in this thread like Spider-Pig, SMAZ, and trainsarefun bring up race, thinking I'm attacking blacks b/c I openly admit that I would prefer to live in a neighborhood that is mostly white middle-class. I say that b/c I want to avoid Hispanics.

I always had be experiences with Hispanic neighbors, which is why I now try to avoid them.

I know exactly what you're talking about with the honking horns too. It's a macho thing. A Nissan with tinted windows, blue lights, loud music, and louder muffler, pulls up and starts honking the horn instead of using a cell phone. Why do your male Hispanic neighbors do that? Attention. Cred. They want people to look at them, so they don't use the cell or text.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 7 17:45:50 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 17:43:03 2010.

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It's funny how everyone in this thread like Spider-Pig, SMAZ, and trainsarefun bring up race, thinking I'm attacking blacks b/c I openly admit that I would prefer to live in a neighborhood that is mostly white middle-class. I say that b/c I want to avoid Hispanics.

You mentioned Asians and Latinos. The former is a race, the latter is sometimes treated like one.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 17:56:54 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 7 17:45:50 2010.

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"Asians" are a race?

Come to think of it, why has there been all this fuss on the board about the use of the phrase "African-American" when there has been no fuss about the even more inaccurately used word "Asian"?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 18:03:57 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 17:56:54 2010.

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I brought that up a couple of times. I have no idea why people are so resistant to African American and have no problem with Asian American being a race.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 18:09:37 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 18:03:57 2010.

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I thought the argument was over whether white people should be allowed to say they are "African American" if they are from an African country.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 18:15:44 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 18:09:37 2010.

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No, the argument was that African American is confusing because it is not a race and white people from Africa were used to illustrate the confusion.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 18:21:27 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 18:15:44 2010.

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The confusion is earned if people insist upon breaking out the old Dymo and slapping labels on other people ... what's wrong with just "people?" Is there some advantage to being segregated out into a (smaller) group?

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 18:25:42 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 18:15:44 2010.

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Speaking of Africa, the WWE has a guy in their developmental system who can be a big star. He's a "good guy" from South Africa and WWE even says that's where he's from. I'm arguing with people that he should not be billed from South Africa, b/c in my opinion, SA will always be politically incorrect in this country, and will never be seen in a positive light. I'm arguing that they change is country of origin.

My feeling is that people are still offended by the Confederate flag, so you can bet people don't want to cheer someone from South Africa.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 18:42:07 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 18:21:27 2010.

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That would be fine with me, but that's not the way that it is.

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Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 7 18:57:15 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 18:03:57 2010.

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Huh? I consistently consider the two terms to be equivalent in terms of ethnic description.

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