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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 00:10:14 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 2 00:05:16 2009. You are misinterpretting - deliberatly because you are a fuck-up and a loser. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 2 00:12:49 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 00:09:10 2009. Yes, it is a privately owned airport. Owned by one family from 1907 until 1985, then sold to another family which has owned it since. Your healthcare may not give me health benefits, but with the right rearranging of funds it might lead to the FAA paying for that nice ASOS unit the owners have been thinking about. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 00:13:04 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:33:03 2009. White firefighters who studied hard should not get promoted because no blacks could pass the test.then get your congressman or state legislator to change the law. Don't ask unelected judges to do it for them. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 2 00:19:54 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 00:10:14 2009. So you were informing us of their stock holdings because you're proud of their efforts as informed capitalists?How exactly can it be conflict of interest when they're arguing for the thing they're holding and they're under no compunction as public servants to divest themselves before taking office? It's not like Al Gore is any danger of entering public office anytime in the near future, so your victimization fantasy of being forced to purchase carbon accounting software stands about as much chance of coming true as my being forced to pay Halliburton 100 dollars every year for six years. No wait, the second one happened. Man, I am so bad at coming up with examples that don't result in you looking like the world's biggest hypocrite. Sorry about that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 00:25:12 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:52:16 2009. No, that's not my business what they do.If you are a state or city worker, you have to vote Democrat to protect your job.I don't begrudge an individual doing that at all.As a small business owner for 25 years, I always voted pro-business to help myself.That's how it should be and just like yourself, I also don't begrudge somebody voting based on self-interest but today's GOP base is a bunch of gullible and mindless Rushbots who vote against their own economic interests. They harbor an underlying racial animosity that makes them fall for it every time. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 00:35:55 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 00:25:12 2009. today's GOP base is a bunch of gullible and mindless Rushbots who vote against their own economic interestsPartisan post. You still see a difference between the GOP and the Dems? As Yoda might say, brainwashed by the Empire's media you are. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 00:38:03 2009, in response to Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009. Now we know how many |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 01:54:57 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 00:25:12 2009. We still have not seen Obama's 2010 tax bracket. We still don't know if he's going to tax health insurance. I suspect he'll raise income taxes, tax health insurance, and raise the capital gains tax. When he does, will it matter what radio host people listen too? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 01:56:52 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by WillD on Wed Jul 1 23:49:37 2009. He's pointing out that Pelosi's interest in the environment is monetary and not genuine. Just like you'll keep bringing up Halliburton and Cheney. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 02:03:09 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 01:56:52 2009. It ain't just "wingnuts" that see Pelosi in this fashion . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 02:13:39 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 02:03:09 2009. Ah well, gotta be fair and balanced. Here's some more "worshipful" renditions . . .  |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 02:44:09 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 2 00:02:49 2009. Transit workers are now paying about $1,000 a year for healthcare. But most TA workers take the job for the bi-weekly paycheck, job security, promotional opportunities, or because they like trains.TA healthcare is FORCED healthcare. No option of not participating in the plan for your money back. If TA didn't offer healthcare, I still would've taken the job. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 02:55:22 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:42:52 2009. You're so right. And the liberals are always complaining about the makeup of jobs like cop and fireman, while saying little about jobs in fields like education(where you find lots of libs).Every time the NYPD or FDNY test comes out, they're the most well-promoted civil service exams in NYC. Ads in Amsterdam News, el Diario, billboards in minority neighborhoods, Daily News, posters, grassroots, etc.......... The City has done all it can do to recruit minorities for both cop and fireman. Now it's up to minorities if they want the job. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 04:37:12 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 00:03:00 2009. We can see why you work for the government.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 05:55:14 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 00:01:45 2009. Hey, under cap and trade, the farmers are all going to pay a carbon tax per cow for CO2 they produce.Let's see, thats 75 bucks per cow times 500 or 1000 cows.Hmmmmm, the price of milk and meat just went up,LOL! |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 05:56:26 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:05:26 2009. It's been going on since the start of Neo-Liberalism in the 1970s. |
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Posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:02:15 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 00:25:12 2009. You are right about the GOP being in total disarray.The Bush Neocons ruined the principles of the GOP and McCain was a poor choice.They have to get back to basics and re-group during the next four years.I don't agree with you about the underlying racial animosity.How about 98% of blacks voting for Obama.That's racial if you ask me.That means 98% of whites should have voted for McCain. |
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Posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:05:49 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 01:54:57 2009. Good fiscal policy demands these tax increases on every group of Americans to balance the budget and keep the American Dollar, which is a fiat currency, sound and safe.Otherwise, foreign investors will not continue to buy treasuries to finance our deficits and the bills they already own can be distributed to all the Chinese so they can wipe their arses with them.Let's see how popular Cap and Trade plus health care becomes when everybody realizes how much it will cost them tax wise. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 06:26:25 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:02:15 2009. Nobody really leaned on Bush and the Neocons when they were in office to change their ways; now that they're gone they make an easy target.   This is who speaks for the GOP nowadays. 3 fat old white right wingers that don't relate to most Americans, no matter what ethnicity they are.  This guy isn't working out. Like Frank Burns after 2 martinis, he's out of step with the current GOP and also out of step with the rest of us. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 2 06:37:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 04:37:12 2009. lol |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 2 06:38:43 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 2 00:19:54 2009. Everyone already knows that he's one of he world's biggest hypocrites. |
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Posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:45:31 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 06:26:25 2009. LOL! The GOP, like in 1964 after it was blasted out of the water, must re-group and let the Democrats make the inevitable mistakes they will make, and turn public opinion back to the GOP.Third party, anyone? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 06:55:26 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:45:31 2009. You're right, they do. The third party idea has appeal.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 2 06:57:32 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:45:31 2009. Third Parties never attract enough voters to achieve any major vote totals. |
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Posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 07:00:13 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 2 06:57:32 2009. That is so true and very, very sad.I'm hoping enough people someday will be fed up with the Reps and Dems, like I am, to constitute enough of a voting block to make an Independant candidate viable.At age 58, I don't think I will live long enough. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 07:05:31 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 07:00:13 2009. I agree, I'm not happy with them but gravitate toward the Dems because...well the OP is but one of the reasons.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 2 07:45:46 2009, in response to Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009. Irrelevant.Even the most left wing people don't want any able people to be on welfare for their whole lives. I don't know anyone who is in favor of welfare for any reason other than: - A temporary benefit while someone is having misfortune. - A permanent benefit for someone who is truly permanently disabled. The only issue with welfare is not on principle but where to draw the line: how long a temporary benefit is OK, and what constitutes permanently disabled. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:09:44 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:59:37 2009. You were told to "ask your president"..... and you replied "Bush?". But Bush isn't our president. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:11:58 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:21:52 2009. I have a railroad stock, that I bought back during the Clinton era, and it has done nothing but good for me all through Bush's years too. It plunged a little when everything else crashed too last fall, but it still is performing better than many of the others. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:13:41 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 23:51:51 2009. Yes, it is funny when he thinks a communist society will do him better than a capitalistic one. He can always move to China. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:16:31 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 22:46:36 2009. Who says it doesn't exist both ways? It's unfortunately the liberals that think the Democrats are salvation, but instead, they are just as corrupt, and perhaps worse than the Republicans. All politicians suck. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:19:06 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:31:57 2009. I don't see what's wrong with that either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:24:33 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 23:11:26 2009. You are quite the voice of reason here, and I totally agree with you. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 2 08:26:24 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 23:28:54 2009. However...such would mark a radical shift of the Court. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:26:25 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 23:28:54 2009. There were plenty of people around who have political views that the President would find satisfactory. I think that they weren't appointed because they weren't women with Hispanic surnames who had made out with some distinction in the law.You are making too much sense. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:30:22 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 23:43:02 2009. As such, I would call it more of Obama spitting in the face of the GOP saying that he dares them to stop Sotomayor's confirmation (which I don't think that they can).If that is true, Obama would be despicable. So much for "one country", and "nonpartisan" politics in this administration if that is the case. Ah yes, a divider instead of a uniter? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 2 08:30:28 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 23:11:26 2009. Addressing the energy bill (C&T) this time:The bill only squeaked through the House because of three Republicans in nuclear-plant heavy New Jersey (the state has four plants and relies on nuclear plant-produced electricity for more than half of its power needs). When it passes by such a slim margin, and there are Democrats in states where coal-mining is a critical part of the economy, you can expect a filibuster in the Senate. One such example is Robert Byrd...another may be Max Baucus. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 2 08:31:17 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:30:22 2009. At the same time, Republicans opened the Pandora's box vis a vis Alito---it does not justify it, but they should have thought of this. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 09:08:04 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 01:54:57 2009. I suspect he'll raise income taxes, tax health insurance, and raise the capital gains tax. When he does, will it matter what radio host people listen too?It will matter to the 95% that get a tax cut and access to universal helth universe. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 09:09:02 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 09:08:04 2009. It will matter to the 95% that get a tax cut and access to universal helth universe.OOOps. ...health insurance. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:10:10 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:30:22 2009. Elections have consequences.Obama won. Get over it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:11:14 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:42:52 2009. Any proof that affirmative action breeds mediocrity? I see no evidence in NYC's fire and police ranks. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:12:14 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:35:28 2009. No it doesn't. But it doesn't disqualify her from be in the SCOTUS either, which is what you rightists seem to think. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:13:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 23:42:18 2009. Just capitalism. If we felt these were good investments, we would buy into them too. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 09:14:58 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:02:15 2009. You are right about the GOP being in total disarray.The Bush Neocons ruined the principles of the GOP and McCain was a poor choice.They have to get back to basics and re-group during the next four yearsAgreed. The country needs two viable parties. I don't agree with you about the underlying racial animosity. It's a strong feature within the people in their base that vote against their economic interests. I'm not including other conservatives like economic ans civil libertarians. How about 98% of blacks voting for Obama. 90%+ of blacks vote Democrat anyway. Obama added an extra 3-4% points. A Condelezza candidacy against a white Democrat would have subtracted 4-8% points. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:20:22 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 23:51:20 2009. There will be other appointments (and sooner than most think) that will allow for more brilliant candidates. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 09:20:25 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:05:49 2009. Good fiscal policy demands these tax increases on every group of Americans to balance the budget and keep the American Dollar, which is a fiat currency, sound and safe.I agree. I think that the tax cut expirations for the wealthy of 2011 and the winding down of the Iraq War will take care of some of our midterm deficit problems. Over the long term I think that we need to remove caps on Social Security taxes and overhaul our tax loopholes and contracting practices. There also needs to be a long-term plan to increase wages and keep good-paying American jobs here at home to insure growth. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 09:20:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 06:45:31 2009. LOL! The GOP, like in 1964 after it was blasted out of the water, must re-group and let the Democrats make the inevitable mistakes they will make, and turn public opinion back to the GOP.Third party, anyone?More likely a repeat of 1854, where a new Second Party will emerge. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:24:17 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 09:20:36 2009. "More likely a repeat of 1854, where a new Second Party will emerge. "I actually think that may happen. The GOP is becoming a rump of its former self, just as the Whigs did. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 09:24:49 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 02:44:09 2009. Transit workers are now paying about $1,000 a year for healthcare.Which is about a fifth of what most of the employed world pays, and what I paid A MONTH on COBRA. But most TA workers take the job for the bi-weekly paycheck, job security, promotional opportunities, or because they like trains. Don't forget the early retirement and pensions. |
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