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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 12:46:04 2007, in response to More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 4 14:23:33 2007. It doesn't seem too asinine to me (at least this one). This just seems like a business decision by the mayor or City Council not to go with styrofoam.There are MUCH worse laws on the books. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 12:48:19 2007, in response to More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 4 14:23:33 2007. If you want a really insane law, it is the one that bans people from placing flyers on cars. The problem is that the law forgot to designate who can issue the tickets (and even if the City had passed a good law covering that, it would have been superceded by the flawed state law).As a result, the law cannot be enforced, and someone who gets a ticket from the NYPD or Sanitation police can get it thrown out on that technicality, either by the Environmental Control Board or on appeal, because police don't have the authority as it stands now to issue tickets (this is scheduled to be remedied later this month). |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 12:50:46 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 10:26:28 2007. What I hate the most are the LIARS who say there won't be any difference in taste... I wasted the price of the french fries because i had to toss them in the garbage after tasting one! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 13:00:09 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 12:48:19 2007. If you want a really insane law, it is the one that bans people from placing flyers on carsActually I like that law!!! I hate people who make me do extra work and the people that put flyers on my car made me deal with disposing of the garbage. Finally, I just started driving around with the flyer, pretending I did not notice it till it flew off the windshield. I would like to see a law banning all supermarket flyers, etc from being placed on private property. I really resent having to take the time to bend down to pick them up and then have to deal with recycling them. |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed Sep 5 13:07:13 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Sep 5 12:24:15 2007. Chris?! Making stuff up?!?! Never in this world! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 5 13:51:54 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Sep 5 12:24:15 2007. Like I said, if you believe I made it up, I don't really care. If you truly want to see if I have or not, you can Google it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 14:19:37 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 12:46:04 2007. Yes, I agree. This is different from a "protect us from ourselves" nanny law. This makes sense to me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 14:22:11 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 13:00:09 2007. Yes, I agree. Again, this is different than "nanny laws". These make sense. I can't stand when I find crap in my windshield wipers, and I used to absolutely HATE it when I would trip over all the friggen flyers and supermarket flyers thrown all over the stoop, and then they have to deal with throwing them out or recycling them....A law banning both windshield flyers and proerty flyers cuts down on litter. Those are not nanny laws either, those make sense. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 5 14:37:59 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 14:22:11 2007. Those are not nanny laws either, those make sense.Exactly. That's why seat belt laws and non-smoking laws make sense. They protect ME (I use my seat belt and don't smoke). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 15:01:35 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 5 14:37:59 2007. No, they have gone too far with the seat belt laws and smoking laws. Those ARE nanny laws. Yes, they do protect YOU, but it's not up to the government to "protect us from ourselves".Yes, I agree that smoking should not be readily done....but there's nothing wrong with seperate smoking areas....and which doesn't interfere with the non smoking ares (I don't smoke by the way). And if "waitresses" are the problem...jst hire smoking waiters/waitresses! There are PLENTY of them. Then they ban smoking even outside buildings....some places want to make it illegal outside on public streets! New Jersey wanted to make it illegal to smoke in your OWN PRIVATE CAR! THAT is a nanny law, and it's starts little by little like it did with banning it in bars, etc, it just keeps spreading like a disease...and takes away more and more of people's freedoms. And as for seatbelt, yes, I always use mine, but the government shouldn't have the right to say I HAVE to use one... Some places want to make ADULTS were helmuts on bikes...it's just out of control! Those are TOTALLY different than banning a substance that doesn't rot for hundreds of years. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 5 15:06:14 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 15:01:35 2007. Years ago, they were trying to ban smoking on colleges and beaches. Not because it was bad, it was because the smokers littered the place up.No one even bothers on that angle anymore. And for smoking in your car, that creates a decent number of brush fires believe it or not. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 5 15:08:25 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 12:44:13 2007. Except, 153,000,000 trays in the trash costs a lot of public money.Now all of a sudden no one cares about costs or money. Maybe NYC is backwards. Buy it, store it, ship it, trash it, ship the trash, landfill it. Landfills are getting harder to build in some parts. You guys who have to ship your trash far away pay a lot more. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 15:52:59 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 5 15:06:14 2007. Yes, I do understand that people throwing cigarettes out the window is a problem, but that comes in from a litter angle. People shouldn't be throwing anything out of their windwows period. Litter is a different problem, and should be addressed and enforced accordingly. Banning smoking because people litter becomes a nanny law, which is different from it being illegal to litter. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Sep 5 15:54:53 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 15:52:59 2007. No, it becomes like ALL laws. One bad apple spoils the bunch. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 5 16:13:05 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 15:01:35 2007. Those ARE nanny laws.Nanny laws protect people from their own stupidity. Smoking and seat belt laws ALSO protect OTHERS from the stupidity of those who smoke in the wrong place or don't use seat belts. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:22:42 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 5 09:15:55 2007. But Driver's Ed is not mandatory! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:23:44 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 5 04:01:28 2007. I prefer Penn Station back. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:24:44 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 09:55:25 2007. That's FASCISM, not communism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:26:19 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Sep 5 09:44:13 2007. All of this is in America today, and all of this sounds a lot like communism. Sadly, the best part (mistreatment of criminals) isn't in play, thank you 8th Amendment for not letting us wail on rapists.Making rape a capital offense suffers from severe UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. Namely that there will be fewer rapes, and even fewer rape survivors. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:28:30 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 10:01:35 2007. The taste sucks not because they don't use trans-fats, but because they don't use beef tallow anymore. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:29:33 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 5 15:08:25 2007. Then charge a tax on it instead. At least people can choose based on cost. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 16:31:58 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:28:30 2007. I thought they stopped using beef tallow years ago - the taste change I noticed was only within the last few months.... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:32:20 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 12:46:04 2007. It's an insane LAW because there is no need for a statue with regard to this. City agencies can make a cost-benefit analysis with regard to Styrofoam and modify the REGULATIONS accordingly. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 16:36:36 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 15:52:59 2007. People wouldn't have to throw their cigarettes out the window if cars included ash trays like they used to. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:37:22 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 13:00:09 2007. Here's what I did to a repeat offender (a local gas station): I walked up and down the block and picked up a number of them from other people's cars, just enough so that this would work. I then drove to the business being advertised, drove in, opened my window, and then threw them all upward so that they would spread out nicely onto the ground. I then left. Interestingly I don't think that business ever put those flyers out again. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Sep 5 16:37:30 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:32:20 2007. I agree. They should pass a law requiring cost-benefit analysis prior to passing laws banning things without an alternative first. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Sep 5 16:38:10 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:29:33 2007. A tax in schools? But the government is still running the schools ain't they? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 16:39:01 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:37:22 2007. NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!I refuse to do business with anyone that leaves flyers on my property or my car. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:39:38 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 16:36:36 2007. Every car maker sells a smokers kit. I don't see any reason why every car should be built to cater to an ever-declining market. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:41:01 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Fred G on Wed Sep 5 03:43:12 2007. What makes an olive oil "extra virgin?" Do they use olives that have never had oral? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Sep 5 17:19:14 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 13:00:09 2007. In another city all the cars would always get pelted with big glossy fliers for all the clubs everyweek.Leave that thing on the windshield after a heavy rain and the surprise you get. Paper and ink practically glued to the windshield. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 17:23:41 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:23:44 2007. Haha, good one! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 17:27:34 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 13:00:09 2007. I don't have a problem with that nuisance law. But when the law forgets to designate its enforcer, then there is a mistake...it is like creating a law for vehicular manslaughter without saying who can make the arrests. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 17:28:22 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 14:22:11 2007. Same here...where it become INSANE though is that the law forgot to say who could issue summonses...making it useless. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 5 17:31:11 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Fred G on Wed Sep 5 04:55:45 2007. It does give painful headaches to people who are sensitive to it. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 17:31:23 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 15:01:35 2007. The New York State one went so far that the law actually had to use the words home and car to exempt private homes and personal cars from the ban.However, would you be opposed to a law banning smoking inside an office building (where oftentimes one cannot leave the job without a period of unemployment)? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Sep 5 17:34:53 2007, in response to More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 4 14:23:33 2007. Oh shit, P.S. 154 was my Elementary school back in the day.Heh. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 17:51:35 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 17:27:34 2007. I have a suggestion - Let the property owner sue the business distributing the flyer in small claims court for $1,000 per flyer. Designate the property owner's posession of the flyer as sufficient proof. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Sep 5 18:02:19 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:23:44 2007. I have not gotten off a train in the basement of a sports palace since Pennsylvania Station was torn down.I get off in Newark and take PATH to 33rd Street. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Sep 5 18:05:24 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 16:41:01 2007. Extra-virgin olive oil comes from the first pressing of the olives, contains no more than 0.8% acidity, and is judged to have a superior taste. There can be no refined oil in extra-virgin olive oil. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Sep 5 18:13:35 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 5 17:31:23 2007. "A law banning smoking inside an office building (where oftentimes one cannot leave the job without a period of unemployment)?Maryland already did that twenty plus years ago. Some companies even removed the canopies over enterences reinforce the fact that smoking is an ugly habit. It's not fun smoking in the rain. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 20:49:54 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Sep 5 18:02:19 2007. I'm too lazy to have principles like that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 20:50:22 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 16:31:58 2007. I know, they should go back. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 20:51:24 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Sep 5 16:37:30 2007. I see you are not aware of the distinction between laws and rules. A pity. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 5 20:57:43 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 20:51:24 2007. On the other hand, a regulation developed by an authorized agency using proper procedures has the force of law, so the difference isn't too big. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 5 21:38:05 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 10:27:34 2007. IAWTP. Home barbecued burgers pwn all. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Sep 5 21:57:42 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by BMTLines on Wed Sep 5 09:44:52 2007. No way, burgers cooked over wood fire are teh uber-pwnage, especially if the beef is freshly ground. The roll is key, too, like a good hard roll, toasted on the grill. I usually have 2 of them, the first one is just ketchup, raw onion slice and raw tomato slice. That's to enjoy the Zen of a simple burger. Then the second one is the slop burger, where the only limits are what's in the pantry and the imagination.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 23:37:21 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Fred G on Wed Sep 5 21:57:42 2007. Yeah, anyone that thinks that a "Mc Donalds" burger is better than most burgers hasn't had many burgers.....real burgers.... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 5 23:42:55 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Sep 5 11:58:29 2007. Wrong, wrong and wrong. The European Commission is a non-democratic entity. Japan's culture stresses their railroad hoggers out so much that even if they're a nanosecond late, they gotta go to re-education seminars where they're told how useless they are (which resulted in a fatal crash on the narrow-gauge some years back). Canada you're clueless about, but you still blow smoke like you know what you're talking about.Do you just like cyberbeatings by Subchatters? Are you a cybermasochist? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 5 23:43:36 2007, in response to Re: More insane laws, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 5 12:17:12 2007. What he said. |
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