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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 20:11:21 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 19:56:30 2021. Hmmm..let's see... Besides the threat of unknown firearms, he could use the vehicle itself as a weapon, other assailants in the auto, unknown liquids, knives, sprays, etc... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 12 20:29:02 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 20:09:19 2021. I sort of agree. Did he think that the cop was from customer service? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 20:42:13 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 12 17:26:39 2021. In the current cars, (keyless ignition), if the car doors are closed, the car can be started if the key is inside the car, with the push button..Proximity key..My ignorance for driving a 24 year old car. So with this type of setup, the best thing for the police to do is get the key from the driver, and walk away from the car, far enough so the key cannot be detcted. Agreed. There's a way of preventing the car from moving without forcibly removing its occupants. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 20:58:22 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 12 18:07:08 2021. They are forcibly removed when non compliant.A frequent misconception among blue lives matter proponents. Is resorting to force solely on the basis of non-compliance in Dayton's police procedures? Police officers are authorized to use reasonable force in response to citizen resistance/aggression/non-compliance when necessary to protect life, property and to maintain order. From Dayton Police Department General Order Sect. 3.03-2 Use of Force Please enumerate which lives, property or order was in jeopardy by Mr. Owensby remaining in the car until supervision appeared. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 21:01:56 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 20:58:22 2021. Maintain order |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 21:02:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 20:09:19 2021. He did the "perpout" and "demanded" a supervisor to the scene.So what. Was the officer authorized to use physical force in denying a "demand" that a supervisor be present. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 21:13:55 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 12 21:01:56 2021. Maintain orderOrder was being maintained prior to the police officer using force to remove Mr. Owensby from the car. I once dealt with a police officer who knew only how to control a riot. His object was to maintain control of what had been a friendly crowd. His actions nearly turned that friendly crowd into a riot. He was achieving his objective of maintaining control. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 12 23:21:53 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:28:26 2021. First of all a police officer doesn't have to have a supervisor respond just because someone asks for one. Second of all one of the most important tactics I've learned for safety is not to stall with the perp or possible perp at the scene but to bring everyone right in. How do they know this guy didn't have a gun on him if he stayed in the car? Stop talking about something you know nothing about. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 12 23:25:36 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:41:13 2021. "One does not need to forcibly remove a driver from a car to make the car immobile. Turning off the ignition and placing the keys in plain sight on the dashboard is usually sufficient.And what if the perp doesn't comply? You then drag him out? Stick with New Zealand covid policies, you know nothing about police procedures. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 12 23:34:49 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:41:13 2021. My car neither has an ignition, nor keys. What then? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 12 23:53:45 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 08:28:26 2021. I thought asking for a supervisor is a no-no among the left these days. Don't they call them "Karens"? Or is that only for white females? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Oct 13 00:11:24 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 12 01:28:34 2021. man. sure are a lot of multiple personalities on this here bbs. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 13 00:22:36 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 21:02:19 2021. Yeah he was. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 13 00:23:25 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 12 18:50:37 2021. The media reporting of this episode played that to the max but that’s not what was going on. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 13 00:26:07 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 20:58:22 2021. Non compliant.Just like the rest of the cases the warriors defend. Utterly defiant behavior and now the added ingredient is paraplegic perp which makes it look like brutality. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 13 00:28:11 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 20:42:13 2021. I want to see you do that.Give the perp covid stats from NZ |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 13 01:08:13 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 12 02:20:05 2021. You're welcome to your imaginary w!n. You don't win with logical fallacies, #37; that's a surrender. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Oct 13 03:03:35 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Oct 12 14:10:47 2021. Indianapolis Sergeant bodycam. |
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Re: Dayton police foul up !!!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Oct 13 03:24:21 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Oct 12 14:20:51 2021. IMPD Sergeant.Don't worry Salaam I'm eating all the pork you, AlM, Spider, and Old-log don't eat. But your side is winning the war. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Oct 13 04:31:39 2021, in response to Re: Dayton police foul up !!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Oct 13 03:24:21 2021. YUCK |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 13 08:00:17 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 12 23:25:36 2021. And what if the perp doesn't comply? [to turning off the ignition and placing the keys on the dashboard'You are dealing with the hypothetical. Did the officer make the request for turning off the ignition? you know nothing about police procedures. I have been careful to show where everything the officer did was contradictory with the Dayton Police General Orders, citing the relevant sections. Those contradictions include the lack of probable cause for requesting a canine unit to sniff the car's interior and extending a traffic stop for a canine unit to sniff the ambient air around the car, as well as using force for non-compliance. What's your knowledge of the procedures that are specific to the Dayton Ohio Police Department? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 13 08:02:44 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 12 23:25:36 2021. And what if the perp doesn't comply? [to turning off the ignition and placing the keys on the dashboard'You are dealing with the hypothetical. Did the officer make the request for turning off the ignition? you know nothing about police procedures. I have been careful to show where everything the officer did was contradictory with the Dayton Police General Orders, citing the relevant sections. Those contradictions include the lack of probable cause for requesting a canine unit to sniff the car's interior and extending a traffic stop for a canine unit to sniff the ambient air around the car, as well as using force for non-compliance. What's your knowledge of the procedures that are specific to the Dayton Ohio Police Department? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 13 08:50:48 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by ntrainride on Wed Oct 13 00:11:24 2021. Yes, and Luch has most of them! 😂 |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 10:10:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 12 23:34:49 2021. Obviously there is an alternative way to render your car immobile. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 13 11:17:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 10:10:19 2021. No. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 12:18:03 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 13 11:17:19 2021. How do you keep someone from stealing it? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 13 12:21:10 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 12:18:03 2021. I take my phone with me when I leave. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 12:52:55 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 21:13:55 2021. No. Order was NOT being maintained , as he was refusing to get out of the vehicle. Look, this is how it works, whether or not you agree with it. People are the captains of their own ships. How they navigate them is on them. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 12:53:19 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 12 21:02:19 2021. Yes. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 12:56:54 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 12 23:21:53 2021. I like when you explain it. You do it much less "abrasive" than me.🤣 |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 12:59:11 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 13 12:21:10 2021. OK, then your phone is the equivalent of a key fob. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 13:00:12 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 12 23:21:53 2021. But the police did know he was seriously disabled, because they had observed him entering and leaving the drug house. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 13:00:20 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 13 08:00:17 2021. Oy gevalt!! You can't make this shit up! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 13:02:16 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 12 23:34:49 2021. Pull the plug!😅 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 13 15:08:06 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 12:59:11 2021. But putting on on the dashboard serves no purpose. Many cars (most?) nowadays have a push button ignition and will start even if the keys are on the dash. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 15:52:14 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 13 15:08:06 2021. Agreed. If you have any kind of radio-based fob the dashboard isn't far enough away. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 13 17:40:20 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 10:10:19 2021. Blocking it on all sides, but that's beside the point. The only right tactic is to get him out of the car so they can toss him for weapons. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 13 18:19:15 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 13:00:12 2021. So? He still had to be removed from the car. They offered to help him out but he was stubborn. He should have thought about it before he patronized a drug location. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 18:24:08 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 13 18:19:15 2021. They offered to help him outFirst time anyone has posted that. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 13 18:45:15 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 18:24:08 2021. Then I guess you didn't read the article as it was mentioned. And if you didn't read the article you shouldn't comment on the article."The officer tells Owensby he will assist him in getting out of the vehicle, but Owensby tells the officer not to touch him and requests the officer call a superior" |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 13 18:54:55 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 18:24:08 2021. You didn’t watch the video? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 18:58:22 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 13 18:54:55 2021. I never watch OTChat videos.I made multiple statements that no one contradicted until Jeff just now. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 19:33:17 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 13 18:45:15 2021. Yep! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 19:33:31 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 18:58:22 2021. Lo@lm! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Oct 13 19:34:12 2021, in response to Re: Dayton Police foul-up?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 13 18:58:22 2021. I just let you stew in your "wrongness" |
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