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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 14:03:24 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 13:50:46 2006. More of an Arx-Mengels disciple. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 27 14:08:55 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 13:55:09 2006. Of for petes sake, what difference does it make. Do you really think anyone is thinking about Romans? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 14:14:37 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 27 14:08:55 2006. Of for petes sake, what difference does it makeMakes it non-secular. (I don't believe there is a secular calendar anyway, is there?) Do you really think anyone is thinking about Romans? That's the point of my post. They will be, after they read it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 14:15:50 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 27 13:28:23 2006. Perhaps, but you still don't know. There's only One with all the answers. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Dec 27 14:16:54 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Dec 27 13:08:05 2006. Someone who smokes Sherm Sticks.Cigarrettes dipped in formaldihide or PCP. Makes the users CRAZY! More popular in LA and New Jersey/Philly then in NYC. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 14:18:42 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Dec 27 14:16:54 2006. That kind of garbage was popular in NYC during the late 80s. I knew people who went up to Harlem to get that stuff; they called it "leaky-leaks" . . . |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 27 14:20:09 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 27 13:28:23 2006. Yes, but again, that's your religion's perspective on it, and what you believe (not that there's anything wrong with that), however, that does not mean it's so. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 27 14:22:51 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 14:15:50 2006. And that One would know if He or she had a Clone.Or maybe not... |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 15:25:29 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 13:55:09 2006. Fine, change July and August back to Quintilis and Sextilis. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 15:27:19 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 27 14:00:19 2006. Well, it's quite a coincidence that names used for the Hebrew deity happen to have cognates in various Semitic polytheisms. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 15:37:32 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 15:27:19 2006. Depends on how you interpret that. Maybe those polytheists stole the name for the One God. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 27 15:45:47 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 13:58:44 2006. Well, at one time, Jan 1st was known as the "Feast of the Circumcision, 8 days after his birthSee here: Feast of the Circumcision However, it is, at least in the Catholic Church, now known as Solemnity of Mary: See Here: http://www.wf-f.org/SolemnityMary.html |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 15:51:36 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 13:58:44 2006. No, it's because it happens to be the octave of ChristmasXmas is a musical note? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 27 15:54:53 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 15:51:36 2006. No, it's Santa on a glider (reference to Octave Chanute). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 27 15:55:10 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 27 15:54:53 2006. 8-) |
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New Years Is A Holiday For ALL (Jan 1) |
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Posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 17:19:22 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 27 11:13:33 2006. How ridiculous can you be, Brian |
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Posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 17:21:46 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 13:55:51 2006. Nope, I am not irrational and pigeonholed like you. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Dec 27 17:34:57 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Dec 26 20:37:33 2006. Exterminate the humans |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 17:39:07 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 17:21:46 2006. Nope, I am not irrational and pigeonholed like youI don't think you know the meaning of the second word too well. You do it to everyone, so you are pigeonholing. (By my using the word commie, are you saying I have pigeonholed you?—that would only apply if that accusation is true.) As for irrational, you've got to be ten times more so than myself. (That's just an estimate.) So you're irrational different from me, not like me. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Dec 27 17:43:23 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Dec 26 19:47:06 2006. The day the prison was opened???? |
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Posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 17:50:27 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 17:39:07 2006. If you want to personally insult me further, e-mail me at subchatters.are.dickheads@gmail.com . I will respond in kind.And yes, that is a real e-mail address. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Dec 27 17:52:00 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by zdeno on Tue Dec 26 18:39:41 2006. There were no race divisions with the creation of 'Nativity Myth.' The astronomical observations made are calcuable today...there truly was an 'evening star.' |
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Re: New Years Is NOT A Holiday For ALL (Jan 1) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 18:00:20 2006, in response to New Years Is A Holiday For ALL (Jan 1), posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 17:19:22 2006. You further display your ignorance.January 1 is not the New Year for the Jews and never has been. The name of the month "January" comes from a god called Janus (eek, a god, how pesky); therefore it is Roman in origin and anything but secular (Janus' two heads symbolized looking forward to the new year and back at the old year on the first day of the month named after him). Setting the New Year at a date following the winter solstice also goes back to ancient Babylon and Assyria. Further, the Catholic Church regards it as the beginning of their new year, heaping even more religious connotations upon it. Are you suddenly Catholic? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 27 18:12:39 2006, in response to Re: New Years Is NOT A Holiday For ALL (Jan 1), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 18:00:20 2006. The beginning of the (Roman) Catholic Church Year is the First Sunday of Advent, 4 Sundays before Christmas. Jan. 1st is called the Feast of Mary, Mother of God. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 27 18:12:52 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 12:53:17 2006. So Thanksgiving doesn't qualify yet?Its a PAID DAY OFF that all people get regardless of race!!! Do we get Kwanza Day off WITH PAY and not have to charge vacation/sick or personal time??? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 18:22:37 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 27 18:12:52 2006. Not everyone gets Thanksgiving off with pay. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:27:21 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 26 23:11:11 2006. Why am I a bigot if I properly label Kwanzaa as the politically contrived holiday it is? Not all blacks celebrate Kwanzaa and it doesn't mean I hate all blacks who do celebrate it just because I properly label it as a contrived holiday which was invented to promote a political agenda. Cooperative economics? Yeah, that's a real ancient African belief (rolls eyes). If I were a Jew, I'd be steaming. Kwanzaa candles are nothing more than a co-opted Menorah. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:28:13 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 26 23:33:22 2006. No, but clearly socialist. It has no root in any African tradition. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 18:29:09 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:28:13 2006. Communism has spread over a big chunk of Africa over the decades. It's suddenly becoming its own "tradition" . . . |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:29:21 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 02:53:46 2006. Holy crap, I can't believe this, but you and I seem to be in total agreement here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 18:31:58 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:29:21 2006. Well, it's all true. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:32:55 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 26 23:39:39 2006. Christmas is not manufactured. It was co-opted (stolen), an existing pagan holiday which was arbitrarily stamped with a Christian label with the expressed purpose of forcing the new faith on the Roman masses while eradicating the old pagan beliefs. I can think of no holiday manufactured from absolutley nothing as Kwanzaa was/is. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:40:48 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 13:21:00 2006. That was done because it was proving very difficult to stop popular pagan celebrations even after Constantine outlawed all "cults" except Christianity. Christianity's success in Europe can be traced to a conscience attempt to introduce the new faith by slapping Christian meaning to existing rituals. All the evidence you need to see of that in practice is this Celtic Cross from Ireland:  It's just a cross slapped onto an ancient Celtic symbol for the afterlife! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:42:44 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 18:29:09 2006. Not in East Africa. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Dec 27 18:47:27 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:27:21 2006. IAWTP. |
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Posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 18:56:04 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 27 11:05:13 2006. I think all religions are made up. judiasm included. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 19:28:15 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 18:56:04 2006. No one sat down at a desk and made up Judaism in one night. It developed over centuries. Kwanzaa was made up by some dude one night at his desk. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Dec 27 19:40:12 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 19:28:15 2006. In Berkley in 1968.California, where 95% of the wierd oddball ideas in this country come from. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Wed Dec 27 19:46:26 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 19:28:15 2006. How do you know? Were you there at the time? ;-D |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 20:07:31 2006, in response to Re: New Years Is NOT A Holiday For ALL (Jan 1), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 27 18:12:39 2006. It's still the liturgical beginning of the year. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 20:48:06 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 15:37:32 2006. Depends on how you interpret that. Maybe those polytheists stole the name for the One God.Unlikely. It's far more likely that some early Jew succeeded where Akhenaten failed in Egypt: 1) The Old Testament has multiple names of God, which are cognate to the names of multiple polytheistic deities. 2) Certain acts of various polytheistic deities (e.g. Hadad fighting Leviathan) get reattributed to Yahweh or El (who would be Enlil in polytheism) in the OT (the story's been kept, but the particular name has lost importance). 3) There are a few troublesome verses that can be seen as vestiges a Polytheist source (e.g. Exodus 6.2-3, Judges 9.46, Ps 82.1). 4) Then there's the bizarre prohibition of setting up an Asherah-pole next to the altar of the Lord (and baking cakes for Asherah). If there hadn't been a pre-existing tradition associating Asherah with El, there would be no need to prohibit this. 5) A monotheistic split from the traditional Canaanite polytheism would go some way to explaining the extreme hostility found in scripture between the Jews and the Canaanites. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 20:49:53 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 15:51:36 2006. "No, it's because it happens to be the octave of Christmas"Xmas is a musical note? Octave has other meanings, as you probably well know. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 21:01:36 2006, in response to Re: New Years Is NOT A Holiday For ALL (Jan 1), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 20:07:31 2006. No, it isn't. The basic structure of the liturgical year is:Advent Christmastide the Epiphany (6th January) Ordinary Time (starting with - dah dah dah - the 1st Sunday in Ordinary Time) Ash Wednesday Lent Eastertide Pentecost Trinity Sunday Ordinary Time (resumes) the feast of Christ the King (which has a definite end-of-term feeling) Note the neat, almost chronological progression of the major holidays. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 21:12:58 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Dec 27 17:43:23 2006. :-) You could put it like that! I believe the conventional word is "stormed". |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 21:15:51 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Dec 27 17:52:00 2006. The problem comes when you try to pick whether you want that astronomical observation to coincide with the reign of Herod or with the governorship of Quirinius (Cyrenios). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 27 21:26:41 2006, in response to Kwanzaa begins today, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Dec 26 03:15:26 2006. Given the following (top 5) definitions, Kwanzaa would more properly be called a celebration and not a holiday;1. a day fixed by law or custom on which ordinary business is suspended in commemoration of some event or in honor of some person. 2. any day of exemption from work (distinguished from working day). 3. a time or period of exemption from any requirement, duty, assessment, etc.: New businesses may be granted a one-year tax holiday. 4. a religious feast day; holy day, esp. any of several usually commemorative holy days observed in Judaism. 5. Sometimes, holidays. Chiefly British. a period of cessation from work or one of recreation; vacation. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 21:28:03 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 27 18:40:48 2006. And where did the cross appear from anyway? In terms of symbology, its popularity is preceded by the Chi-Rho symbol. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 22:38:48 2006, in response to Re: Kwanzaa begins today, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Dec 27 15:25:29 2006. How do we fix January, though? That's still named after Janus. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 27 22:41:43 2006, in response to Hate Mail Address Available, posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 17:50:27 2006. I didn't "personally insult" you. If I did, then you'd probably come up to PA looking for me . . . right?subchatters.are.dickheads@gmail.com . . . I'll try it when I'm done drinking for tonight . . . |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 27 22:43:24 2006, in response to Hate Mail Address Available, posted by zdeno on Wed Dec 27 17:50:27 2006. subchatters.are.dickheadsIf that's what you think of us then why are you posting here? |
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