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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:37:00 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jun 29 18:20:27 2020. I agree with most of your points, although the blue wall of silence is a media-made term, like "assault weapon". |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:38:07 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 19:40:52 2020. Yes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 00:40:48 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:37:00 2020. Like the way Michael Dowd was protected by the blue wall while running shotgun for a crack gang?Law enforcement is an adult fraternity. Cops are losing trust faster than ever. Their word means less with each interaction. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:53:47 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 00:40:48 2020. Those were a few of his co-workers. It's just that. There is no blue wall of Silence, that's a media driven term. Well, when the cops are telling the truth and no one believes them, it's not the police who are going to suffer now, is it? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 00:56:42 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:53:47 2020. Wrong.Everyone in NYPD knew about Dowd but he just took things too far. Covering for corruption was always part of policing. Things might change. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 01:07:08 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:53:47 2020. Golden State Killer was a cop.This surprised NO ONE. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 01:11:49 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 00:56:42 2020. It's a 40000 man Department. Not everyone know about him! I'm sure just a handful of people knew. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 01:15:47 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 00:56:42 2020. Going full BLM won't help you, #37. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 01:30:55 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 01:11:49 2020. I'm sure the precinct knew and when cops gossip at bars word spread.Dowd and cops like him were common then. Most think Gilgo killer is a cop. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jun 30 01:46:23 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 00:56:42 2020. That’s a little outrageous. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 01:51:49 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jun 30 01:46:23 2020. Not really given all way know about corruption.And many cops got away with things due to blue wall. Cops feel their power and prestige slipping like priests. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 02:03:59 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 01:30:55 2020. Absolutely not! The 75 was a warzone back then, and most were too busy to notice.What makes you think that? Or is it something you read? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 02:07:47 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 02:03:59 2020. It's naive to think anything but.NYPD is one of the most corrupt agencies in history. These jobs attract such personality types. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 02:25:10 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 02:07:47 2020. It's naive to think anything butIt's paranoid to "think anything but". Go to bed, #37. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 02:33:59 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 01:51:49 2020. Exactly what do you know about corruption, #37? You sound like a left-wing conspiracy theorist. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 03:00:09 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 02:07:47 2020. Absolutely not. You have a vivid imagination when it comes to police corruption.What does the Gilgo killer have to do with being a cop? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 03:04:16 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 03:00:09 2020. Almost everyone thinks the killer is a cop.Golden State Killer is a cop. No surprise. Corruption in law enforcement is common. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 04:04:29 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 03:04:16 2020. Almost everyone = you?It's rare. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 04:08:38 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:46:55 2020. Did you see the story about the white guy who shot two cops in Oklahoma, but was brought in alive and unharmed after a 7-hoir chase?Meanwhile, a Black man can't go to the corner store without getting killed by the police. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 04:13:29 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 04:08:38 2020. I did not hear.Why did he shoot at cops? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 04:42:42 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 04:08:38 2020. I just read story.Wonder what happened? I will follow this now. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 04:43:35 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 02:03:59 2020. The 75 was Beirut back then. I worked 34C3 in those days, and it never stopped. I was in my 20s then, but I still used to go home tired as hell... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 04:44:57 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 04:42:42 2020. My question is, why is that perp still breathing? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 04:48:50 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 04:44:57 2020. Well it happens all the time.I know you are making a race issue. Didn't a few black guys kill NYPD circa 2006 in Brooklyn and they were caught alive? People of all backgrounds shoot cops and go to prison. This guy will be there for years. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 04:49:38 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 04:43:35 2020. What happened? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 05:46:07 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 04:49:38 2020. Shootings every Got-damn night. OD's. EDPs. Stabbings all over the place. You could get more experience in one year at Station 34, than you would get working in, say, Bayside in Queens. Oh, and people still had the usual heart attacks, strokes, illnesses, and MVAs, on top of everything else.Those who say NYC is "returning to the bad old days" don't know or remember just how bad those days really were. Places like ENY and Brownsville are positively peaceful now, compared to what they used to be like. It was worth your life to take a diff breather out of Louis Pink, while gunshots were going off behind you on Stanley Avenue...or be sitting 89 somewhere on Pitkin Avenue when your patient came to you with his head bleeding all over everything... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 05:48:38 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 05:46:07 2020. Sad. I feel bad for people in that environment. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 06:00:45 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 05:48:38 2020. I did too. Things died down over the years because of several factors:1. All the hell-raisers died, went to jail, or aged out 2. Gentrification forced a lot of the earlier residents out, or they died off 3. Today's generation is buried in their phone (not sure that's an entirely good thing)... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 06:09:40 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 06:00:45 2020. Trust me you'll lose a debate about crime.I'm unbeatable. Oh, retaliation arrests need to be in reform bill. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 30 06:52:28 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 05:46:07 2020. Yes. But how do you think those areas got that way by the 70s? They were once sage neighborhoods before that too. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 30 06:52:46 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 05:46:07 2020. Yes. But how do you think those areas got that way by the 70s? They were once safe neighborhoods before that too. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 06:55:56 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 06:09:40 2020. Retaliation arrests are a big reason cops get away with so many things. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 07:02:09 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 30 06:52:46 2020. Brownsville was never a safe neighborhood. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 07:02:36 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 30 06:52:28 2020. Things got bad because of structural racism, which translates to intentional neglect of minority neighborhoods like ENY. This, in turn, opened up the Pandora's box of drugs, guns, and chaos that characterized the 1980s in ENY and other sections of the "inner city".InB4 you say I "put race into everything". The reality is that race is a factor in almost all people activity in America, and has been since the 19th century. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 07:51:04 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 29 18:42:59 2020. police brutality is a horrific normalityWhat metric should one use to prove or disprove that assertion? One measure should be the number of people killed by police. This graph shows the degree to which people are killed by police for several countries.  how/why police in other countries are not armed. The "why" was stated in the linked article: Richard Hill, history professor at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand, explains that New Zealand police were disarmed for routine work in 1886, following the principle of the British police that: “Constables are placed in authority to protect, not to oppress, the public.” For officers to carry guns would not just be unnecessary, he says, “but also antithetical to the values of civil society.” |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 07:52:26 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 06:55:56 2020. LOL the emperor penguin knows all |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 08:51:49 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 20:43:13 2020. Overpoliced = democrats made too many laws orOverpoliced = Democratic anarchy zone dumbshit |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 08:52:27 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 04:48:50 2020. You're arguing with an asshole that won't even live in one of his districts he's complaining about. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 08:53:53 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 06:55:56 2020. 
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 08:59:22 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 07:51:04 2020. What's the rate of people killing police in the US versus other countries? That's something I see in the media a lot more than the rare civilian being killed.And why won't you list what every "civilian" was doing when killed? Did they shoot at the cops? And Mexico isn't on the list but Iceland is? LOL, that's biased right there. Here's a chart with the actual logic.  Hmm...private property: 
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 09:36:47 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 08:52:27 2020. You don't know what "district" I live in. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:02:11 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 09:36:47 2020. You think so? Everyone knows that you wouldn't live in a place without red carpets and other creature comforts.Another privledged libtard poser. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:03:57 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 16:59:11 2020. So when the editors of the paper run anti-semitic hate cartoons and make racists posts, that's okay with you?Why, because you agree with it like a pile of shit? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:04:11 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:03:57 2020. bump |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:05:07 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 19:40:52 2020. Not per Jayzeebmt.#10 is already a requirement in cities. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 10:09:32 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:03:57 2020. Please link just one example of a deliberate, demonstrable anti-Semitic "hate" cartoon or article published by the New York Times. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 10:10:39 2020, in response to JayzeeBMT, the most hateful "person" on subchat, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:04:11 2020. Dehumanizing ad hominem attack posts don't make you superior, except in your own deranged mind. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 10:11:50 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:38:07 2020. Then unwarranted Taser use by police against civilians is also assault. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 30 10:21:17 2020, in response to JayzeeBMT, the most hateful "person" on subchat, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:04:11 2020. No he isn't. That distinction goes to Edward. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 10:29:06 2020, in response to Re: JayzeeBMT, the most hateful ''person'' on subchat, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 30 10:21:17 2020. It used to be, but Jayzee is defending anti-semitic cartoons and tweets now. Edwards just spouts mush.Under the JayzeeBMT rules of subchat, you can't do reposts or post things that more than a week old. So when JayzeeBMT ignores 130 threads, articles, and cases of hate by the New York Times so he can pretend they aren't true Jayzerofuckup thinks he can bully people with jaylosers own loophole. |
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